tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10968421.post114001547739494492..comments2024-03-23T02:40:59.858-05:00Comments on The Lebanese Bloggers: Coexistence vs. the secular societyRajahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02625042447499335907noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10968421.post-1140133837866626982006-02-16T18:50:00.000-05:002006-02-16T18:50:00.000-05:00Yup! That is definitely one reason Lazarus. One ...Yup! That is definitely one reason Lazarus. One reason.Rajahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02625042447499335907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10968421.post-1140130062570744842006-02-16T17:47:00.000-05:002006-02-16T17:47:00.000-05:00raja - is this really why you left lebanon - to ha...raja - <BR/><BR/>is this really why you left lebanon - to have your "own personal space"?Lazarushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05388532206190051913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10968421.post-1140125802296458622006-02-16T16:36:00.000-05:002006-02-16T16:36:00.000-05:00it is the denial of the realities and of the diffe...it is the denial of the realities and of the difference that leaded to the development of racism in europe <BR/><BR/>when we see here in lebanon u re saying super secterian?<BR/><BR/>well it s just that u re not pragmatic and the time ll come when u ll face that lebanon is a closed system unfortunatly where it is not the interest of few politicians to cancel sectarism such as joumblatt that you ll wake and that u can turn after into racism toward people different then you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10968421.post-1140123041068182272006-02-16T15:50:00.000-05:002006-02-16T15:50:00.000-05:00@ anonymous yah yah yah u re blind of what are the...@ anonymous <BR/><BR/>yah yah yah <BR/><BR/>u re blind of what are the current games in the middle east <BR/><BR/>we ll see in few years how u ll become the racist guy as far u didnt see the threat coming and didnt hear the people telling how they were coming and as u re doing right now, u ll blame some other people , "voir" a whole community etc...<BR/>u re stupid this is all what i have to say to judge soooooooooooooo easely people<BR/>and for sure a future "nazi"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10968421.post-1140118338252223432006-02-16T14:32:00.000-05:002006-02-16T14:32:00.000-05:00Haha Frencheagle... you mean to tell me that you a...Haha Frencheagle... you mean to tell me that you are less anonymous than I am :) I have my own reasons for being anonymous, things that have nothing to do with me being scraed to voice my oppinions and are non of your buisiness<BR/><BR/>And the reason I told you to spare us YOUR oppinions is that from your previous comments you seemed to be SUPER-SECTRAIAN. Simply!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10968421.post-1140111558421518692006-02-16T12:39:00.000-05:002006-02-16T12:39:00.000-05:00Acrobat,Thanks for the article link. I do read Ar...Acrobat,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the article link. I do read Arabic, although I admit, not as well as I'd like to.<BR/><BR/>You're right... some of the quotes made my heart blink. <BR/><BR/>I am going to write a post on that matter soon.Rajahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02625042447499335907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10968421.post-1140079437045224322006-02-16T03:43:00.000-05:002006-02-16T03:43:00.000-05:00@ anonymouswe still see how the dictature of the m...@ anonymous<BR/>we still see how the dictature of the mind is applied right now in lebanon.<BR/>thinking differently then u seems to be the cause of a real problem for you<BR/>it seems u re hating the diversity of thoughts and through that you re trying to impose a unique view by which of course you do not see the errors you re commiting<BR/><BR/>but this is not suprising me since we re living still in this kind of weakenesses among which the communitarism and the sectarism and therefore the divisions lead us to the civil war and not being able to talk with anyone that is different then you <BR/><BR/>also we see that u didnt understand that today, no one is afraid to talk, still needing to hide yourself behind your anonynimity? i guess u re the exemple that nothing had changed .<BR/><BR/>regardsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10968421.post-1140067753081671552006-02-16T00:29:00.000-05:002006-02-16T00:29:00.000-05:00Please French Eagle spare us your thoughts on how ...Please French Eagle spare us your thoughts on how people in lebanon will never be secular. <BR/><BR/>Raja, 3rd question first: I dont see why it is either that or the other. We can all maintain our religious beliefs and traditions as long as they are restricted to that: beliefs and traditions. Sadly, in lebanon it is not about that, it is about who is in power. <BR/>There must be a way where politics and religion dont mix, a way in which the "different cultures" maintain their individuality, their houses of worship, their traditions, and their social support systems under a government that has no laws that dictate any of that. Secular means that is a Sunni has the charisma and leadership to be president they should be able to... It doesnt mean that I should restrain from praying on Sunday.<BR/><BR/>1st question: i am <BR/><BR/>2nd question: Sadly, I am very skeptical about that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10968421.post-1140049659177896662006-02-15T19:27:00.000-05:002006-02-15T19:27:00.000-05:00raja, vox p, fe,why limiting our choices to either...raja, vox p, fe,<BR/>why limiting our choices to either a secular lebanon or a sectarian lebanon? why aren't we trying to find a whole new notion of nationhood/democracy etc that has not been tried anywhere else in the world - since the density of diversity in this little land is unlike anywhere else in the world? i hate religion, i hate fundamentalism, but i do believe that what gives lebanon its vibrancy is precisely the diversity of the outlooks of its people. are we creative enough to find a new, unique solution to our problems? or are we just sheep who have to fit within some format created somewhere else for other people?<BR/><BR/> <BR/>---<BR/><BR/>raja, this is slightly OT, but i would like to know what goes through your mind when you read an article like this:<BR/>http://www.tayyar.org/tayyar/articles.php?article_id=10468&type=press_news<BR/><BR/>(i don't even know if you can read arabic btw)<BR/><BR/>does it make you blink at all? or are you so disillusioned these days with everything that whatever the M14 people say you will follow uncritically, clinging to some ideal that isn't necessarily dead but definetely not represented by those chameleons? <BR/><BR/>man less than 4 months ago they were praising the "mukawama" now jumblat has changed his mind and they all followed, do you just follow too?<BR/><BR/>it is amazing, i have been reading this blog on and off for a year, and watching you slowly but surely adopt a stance exactly the opposite of what you have been preaching (reason over emotion, secular over sectarian, dialogue over antagonism etc). it's really bewildering.<BR/><BR/>stop and think man, stop and think. it does not have to be with us or against us, if aoun doesn't float your boat, don't just assume your only other option is that other triumvirate. what would you say if next week they all (probably minus the LF) decide to join the FPM-HA discussion table? where would you stand?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10968421.post-1140023916602307802006-02-15T12:18:00.000-05:002006-02-15T12:18:00.000-05:00problem to achieve secularity:the heterogeneity of...problem to achieve secularity:<BR/><BR/>the heterogeneity of lebanon which is exarcerbating the differences and the notion of group, of community and of religion.<BR/><BR/>i guess i lost hope about secularity in lebanon as far as the problem stands in the basement of this countryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10968421.post-1140017706239204412006-02-15T10:35:00.000-05:002006-02-15T10:35:00.000-05:00"Irrespective of your personal choices and beliefs..."Irrespective of your personal choices and beliefs, do you think that Lebanese societies will ultimately merge into one big secular society?"<BR/><BR/>Well that is the big question, isn't it?<BR/><BR/>"If not, do you believe that there are enough individuals living in Lebanon today to form what is referred to as the "19th sect"?"<BR/><BR/>Hey that's mine!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com