Friday, June 02, 2006

The Story of Double Standards Continues...

So on Tayyar.org, we read that in response to the "riot-like" incidents that took place last night, Aoun urged the government to disclose publicly more details on these incidents and who was behind them in order to dispel any rumors and establish facts. He also reminded the Interior Minister of his duties, holding the Ministry accountable for disclosing such information.

Great, I say! Aoun is so good with the issue of accountability and of playing the government blame game, but Mr. Aoun: what about your alliance with Hizbullah? Could you shed some light on your thoughts about what happened yesterday? Do you condemn it, or condone it? Isn't your party base so different from that of Hizbullah's? You're depicted in caricatures, comedy skits, like so many other politicians; some laugh, and some get annoyed, yet life moves on. How do you reconcile such a "black-white" difference with Hizbullah?

Just a couple of days back, Hizbullah parliamentarians abstained en masse on a vote reasserting the right to free speech in Lebanon, and now this upheavel yesterday. I'm with freedom of speech and the right to demonstrate, but can someone explain why Hizbullah supporters have to block the highway leading to the airport and even harrass drivers heading to the airport? According to the Al-Mustaqbal daily, MP Ali Ammar even took part in such demonstrations; well...instead of trying to calm down his party base.

Just imagine if we saw in the infamous February 5 Achrafieh violent demonstrations some parliamentarians walking amongst the demonstrators who were destroying cars and torching buildings; imagine MP Ahdab or MP Ido were there then, what would have been Aoun's reaction?....I leave it at that! Another passage in a long story of double standards.

"Nobody knows how many rebellions, besides political rebellions, ferment in the masses of life which people earth."

25 comments:

Anonymous said...

Doha let me be the first to answer,

About the "how do you explain that the people you are allied with say so and so or do so and so ..." well it is the same tired answer. The same tired answer Aoun gives every time the same answer Hariri gives everytime, the same answer Ja3ja3 gives everytime. "If our allies say or do something that does not mean it is our position, we have an agreement with them on basic points and we have have differences on other points"
Its the same answer Hariri gives when asked about Jumblat and badna el tar, the same answer ja3ja3 gives when asked about divergence on the electoral law opinion and the same answer Aoun will give as a reply for your answer.

If you haven't gooten that by now I frankly don't think you ever will.

About the double standards,
Aoun's reply has and has always been : THIS IS THE FAILING OF THE MINISTERY OF INTERIOR.
Be it building burning and riots in Ashrafieh or tires burning in Dahyeh, or students fighting in colleges. You can agree or disagree with him but he is so consistent and persistent and stubborn in his assign of the blame it is not even funny.

How can it be double standards if he is ALAWAYS and EVERYTIME askign the ministery of interior to do its job and catch the people who did it so that people stop randomly pointing accusations?

And I think you happened to throw the idea of "double standard" and are trying to explain everything using it. To tell you the tuth, I don't think it was even valid the first time you used it.
Hizbolla have never went down the road chanting for freedom of expression or said they were prepared to die for it. For god's sake their main allies have always been the biggest opressors of freedom of expression sine the party's first day.
You can accuse them of many things, but thinking you caught them on the freedom of expression "double talk" is well really week ....

Nothing personnal, I hope I was not too harch :-)

TAC

Doha said...

TAC,

As far as I know, Aoun has not yet condemned or condoned the riots. He only talked about accountability, which is not a bad thing; I didn't say it's a bad thing. It's good he's consistent there. But I'm waiting for his position on the riots.

I don't think that my position is weak on the Hizbullah freedom of speech double talk. Hizbullah uses its freedom of expression and freedom of demonstration rights to the max. This should not be denied of others.

Anonymous said...

oh ok, so you are accusing him of continuing the "Double Standards" before hearing his opinion? :-p

Do you consider the SSNP and the Baath in lebanon and syria party as proponents of freedom of expression? They say what they have in mind and they demonstrate in favor of baath regimes ... But imho, their greater cause if far more important to them than freedom of expression.

If you can find double talk about war with israel, or about being lebanese or about 3ouroubeh or whatever i consider it a strong argument, if you catch them with "double talk" on freedom of expression, or environment, or abortion rights I consider it a weak thing. Since it was never the cause they are fighting for to start with ...

That's my opinion anyway.

TAC

Aounonymous said...

Doha,
Before Aoun can condemn or condone the riots, he needs to check with his new master Nasrallah to see what makes most sense politically. If you are waiting for him to do what is right vs. wrong, then it is time to shed this mythical perception that Aoun gives a rat's ass about Lebanon and what serves Lebanon best. He proved that when he allied with Nasrallah and the Syrians after building his street cred on the exact opposite for over a decade.

That must be the flip-flop of the century.

It wasn't that long ago that Aoun's cult followers were standing alongside Hizblabla worshipers chanting "Nasrallah, Hizblabla, Aoun ou bass"... now I'm convinced these guys are all about Lebanon. Destroying it that is.

Aounonymous

Anonymous said...

Not sure why we care about whether Aon condemmed or condoned the riots?!? Leave the man alone, damn it! He has more important things to go after, like suing that irresponsible 12 year old for writing graffiti on his statue yesterday morning (please refer to FPM website).

-FGA

Anonymous said...

TAC, you are absolutely right. Aon doesnt have double standards. In fact, the man barely has any standards at all, let alone 2 independent sets! Forget Doha, she must be smoking something.

FGA

Anonymous said...

FGA exactly!
I mean first we say he has one standard and he is so stubborn he won't change it, then we say he has two standards, now the latest trend is he has no standards at all ...
At least we should be consistent!
Ana i join my vote to you for the "no standards" at all bass it is the last time we chaneg OK?

TAC

Doha said...

FGA, I think you're the one who's smoking something at the lab :)

Anonymous said...

Naa, I'm not smoking. But I am fantasizing about the blonde LBCI speakriness.

-FGA

Omega80 said...

Maybe you should wait a little before you bust out your guns, it would be wise to take in the whole story first. FPM MP Ibrahim Kanaan said he is willing to defend Charbel Khalil and be his lawyer should the need arise.

Anonymous said...

too late omega we already cast our votes ... there is still time for you to join us though!

frencheagle said...

FGA, knowing some of the speakrines i can tell u the following

well the LBCI speakrines are a little bit artificials, and think high about themselves

the FTV ones are more sympathic but sometimes i m feeling something wrong with them with their behaviour, i dont know why

my prefered speakrines were those of the former MTV, they were sympathic and there was nothing wrong with them

Aounonymous said...

Omega,
I read this on Al-Manar:

Members of MP Michel Aoun's Free Patriotic Movement also took part in the protest. MP Michel Aoun the head of the Free Patriotic Movement also phoned Sayed Nasrallah and rejected the insults against him.

Sounds like your lord and savior Michel Aoun supports the same type of "free speech" as Hizblabla.

Can you please explain to me what the F you guys are doing associating yourselves with everything that is wrong in Lebanon?

Aounonymous

Omega80 said...

Please don't spread false information. The FPM did not participate in any of the protests, period.

Aounonymous said...

I didn't make that stuff up. Go read it on Al Manar yourself.

As expected, you didn't answer my question... why did Aoun find it necessary to call Hizblabla's grand master and "reject the insults against him". Does Aoun believe in the same twisted version of free speech as his new buddy the Sayyed?

Aounonymous

Dr Victorino de la Vega said...

Beyond his debonair look of gentle Tripolitan technocrat, Interior Minister Ahmad Fatfat is in fact a very vicious Neo-Hambali terrorist on a mission to return the “infidel land of Lebanon” to the Khalifornian fold.

In that, he is perfectly aligned with the “Wahhabi-Lite” project of the Hariri mafia family: to progressively “purify” Lebanon and Syria from the “sullying” presence of dirty “Nasarah” (Christians), evil “Associationists” (Shiites, and ‘Alawites), and secular Sunni moderates.

Fatfat and his radical Islamist friends can also count on the enthusiastic support of many useful idiots such as Brushing Gemayyel Jr. and Cardinal Sfeir who are blinded by their hatred Syria and Iran.

Poor Lebanon.

Aounonymous said...

Omega... why can't you at least try to answer my simple question?

Anonymous said...

aounonymous ..
he answered it by saying it was not true :-)
by the way do you still beat your mother? (if you get my drift ...)

Anonymous said...

Victorino,

How does it feel to know that your likes no longer have any say in Lebanese politics? They are relegated to the humiliating classification of "other miscellaneous factions", even in national dialogues..

Must be sad..so so sad.

Hassan said...

Anon 11:06,

If there's one thing we've learned from politics in Lebanon, it's the eternal nature of change. Considering his (consciously) implicit wit, I’m sure Vic knows that, and I think this is one step ahead of most other bloggers, of the "New Lebanon" spirit and beyond, on regional politics.

Hassan said...

Anon 11:06,

And what political group exactly are you associating Vic with? Your input may prove useful on an ongoing discussion.

Dr Victorino de la Vega said...

“I’m sure Vic knows that, and I think this is one step ahead of most other bloggers, of the "New Lebanon" spirit and beyond, on regional politics”

Well Hassan, I’m at loss for words for I certainly didn’t except much sympathy from TLB, a blog often aligned with the Neocon wing of the “March 14 movement”…
Your graceful comment made me blush
: )


Anon 11.06 AM,

I’m also at loss for words, but for different reasons…

Contrary to what you seem to believe (“How does it feel to know that your likes no longer have any say in Lebanese politics?”), I have no sympathy for the Qardahan Stalinist regime next door- for the record, Hariri, Jumblatt, Hamadeh & Co. collaborated wholeheartedly with Gen. Hafez Al-Assad (and shared the proceeds of their thefts with their “protector”) precisely when Syria’s strongman persecuted authentic Lebanese resistants who had to choose between death (journalist Riyad Taha, poet Mussa Sh3eyb and numerous other SECULAR and anti-Khomeyni Shiite thinkers who wanted to build a modern Republican Lebanon free of both LF/Phalange fascism and Islamic fundamentalism) or forced exile (MP Raymond Edde, Gen. Michel Aoun).

The March 14 crooks only turned against Damascus when Assad Jr. seemed to have become weak, inoffensive and isolated- not a very chivalric feat if you want my opinion.

Hassan said...

Dr. Vic, you are most welcome. I speak for many others who may not express this as openly as I do. :)

But you ruined the moment with the "Chivalric" note. What value has that for someone who thinks, say, that Jumblat is an intellectual and audacious figure?

Anonymous said...

Awwww..how sweet...Hassan and Victorino are flirting..

awwwwwww

Hassan said...

LOL. Good one.