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I'm back to griping about an obliviousness of concepts and notions that public figures in our part of the world convey whenever they open their big fat mouths and speak to the public. Why? Because, today, the Daily Star ran an exclusive interview with the VP of the Lebanese Communist Party. Just read the introductory paragraph of the article and weep:
The Lebanese Communist Party (LCP) and the Free Patriotic Movement (FPM) signed a memorandum of understanding on December 7, 2006, as a result of a mutual goal of combating sectarianism in Lebanon, according to the LCP's number two. In an exclusive interview with The Daily Star, LCP Vice President, Saadallah Mazraani said that despite maintaining distance from the current anti-government demonstrations, the party feels it necessary to join forces with any secular party in the country.

combating secularism? secular party? We're talking about the FPM right? Funny. While we're at it, let's just go ahead and declare that the PSP is a secular party! Or let's also take that extra step and assert that Hizballah is a religious party that is not sectarian.

What kind of nonesense is this communist spewing? The FPM has as much of a claim to secularism as any of the other major "political parties" in the country, if not less. All you have to do is read that ridiculous Los Angeles Times interview of Michel Aoun (pulished around a week ago) to realize the depth of that party's sectarian agenda. In that interview, Aoun declares that his actions will save all Christendom in the Middle East - never mind Lebanon's Maronite community.

Secularism. Of all people the "Comunists" should know what it means!

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T. said...

To be fair, Raja, Mazraani said:

In comparison to the other, more traditional, parties in Lebanon, the FPM is relatively new and open to alternative options. Unlike the other parties present at the demonstration, it, like us, is based on secular principles, believing that the root of the corruption our country faces is sectarian divisions. (emphases mine)

The Communist party has been pretty clear on what it thinks of Aoun and his alliance with Hizballah. Confessional muhasasah. But the LFPM political program puts a lot of emphasis on issues that are central to the LCP. Hence the memorandum.

Nevertheless, it is, as you say, a sorry state when the most consistently secular party in Lebanon has no one but the LFPM to sign such a memorandum with.

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The FPM is very far from being a secular party. Actually, it is an illustration of what a sectarian Lebanese political party looks like. There are many other instances where the FPM claim they stand for something, all the while acting in ways to ridiculously show the converse. I agree with you Raja on the point of this post.

Jordan said...

I am confused.

Are they combating sectarianism or secularism?

Bad Vilbel said...

You and I know full well that:

a- There isn't such a thing as a secular party in Lebanon.

b- These morons that call themselves politicians mindlessly drone on about rhetorical slogans that have no basis in truth or fact.

The real question here, to my mind, is: Why do people still believe this shite?

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Raja

the question is how to change the system, the current system is based on sectarism, and if the mentalities do not change from inside, the only way to promote secularism is through a revolution of the minds.
This cannot happen unless you reach power first and to do it you need to use the current tools you have which are embedded into our consitution

by the way, the best way to get ride of the sectarism is to drop confessionalism for the parlementary elections in a first stage with 1 circonscription by deputy which was the case before 58

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raja, your analysis is getting blunter by the minute.

based on its programme and charter, the LFPM is a secular party and even looking at its general attitude it is light-years ahead of all the other lebanese traditional parties.

the difference it has with say the communist party, is that unlike the CP, it accepts the individual religious belief as natural and in particular in the case of lebanon, as enriching, thus it does not try to deny the multi-confessional nature of the society. instead it calls for the state itself to be non-sectarian, and calls for civil rights to be instored.

on the other hand, and due to the situation on the ground during the last elections, it happened that all the LFPM parlamentarians, in particular aoun, were representatives of the christian areas. (please try to listen to their shiite MP for byblos and tell me he's sectarian).

hence, it is only normal that 90% of the current political discourse, particularly in reaction to what has been called the new "sunniyya siyasiyya", reminding us of the "marouniyya siyasiyya" of the pre-taef agreement, it is normal that this discourse is sectarian, in the sense that it comes from parlementarians supposedly representing the interests of their mainly christian constituency.

i would not be surprised if one day hezballah becomes illegal for example, if many many shias join the LFPM.

anyway, i found this article/talk today by hezballah about the islamic state in lebanon absolutely fascinating and mind-opening. maybe you should read it.

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Mind you ,hahaha i don't agree with ur interpretation of putin saving Syria from destruction,
contrary: there is some use for ancient channels in a show of loyalty.

It obviously tells me more then i want to know about blogging lebanon. Very concerned.

Ofcourse it is realist to pose more lebanese speak hebrew then english, since even french they speak distinctively better.

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Not in the blogs, far from that i might almost say. The problem is the striking conflict between the western doctrines and the interests of the masses. Secondary they, I, fear that the redistribution of power may give rize to new expressions of fundamentalism
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But... for the nature of right and dignity these people are little,
so you don't represent it. Because hope has the shape of the hope of a child maybe. The usual iraki or palistinean exodus definetly showed me at least,

that i think it is a bad reason to deplace populaces, though i believe it is healthy to move a few times in your life.

In those days, 30 years ago, when people would get a 'fit' and start ranting "biblish"(usa version is still more common i understand,
you have to 'find' jezus). One way or another, you'd easily identify them as 'unfit for service', borderline insane actually.

That is a very helpfull attitude for constructive conversation. And it helps the people, because it gets rarer and rarer.

Nasrallah should think of that when he wants to distribute formal powers.
I would never consider a diplomatic move towards israel over a secular move, however, yes there is bait. Since if you don't want to underscribe the uselessness of religion in politics you might as well start signing non-agression pacts.

We did get rid of a religion in europe, that largely repressed the populace. If people ever had values in ancient times, that permitted them to center what they will belief so extra-personally, it is up to you to believe that.

We did get rid of it after it was used against us by all kinds of despotes and cruelty, not in the least the religious.

Allthough now my country has laid off the maniest characteristics of the promotion of the insane aspects of believing. 30 years ago, it was still a major distortion of my childhood.
(very much including: churchgoing , verses and prose)

If you only want sex with gloves on, shake no hands, don't use water on the toilet, eat no meat,
perfectly fine.

But don't try to oblige anyone into anything because it is religion since it is insane.
this^ has always been a powerfull instrument in the hands of the few against the masses and you have to be free from religion before you can liberate yourself politically.

Likewise in historical times islam has as much served colonialism as islamoform rulers have abused their powers, you can not probably liberate yourself from that anymore through religion.

I belief that the madhi movement in irak cannot win. Ofcourse the spirit of the iranian revolution is attractive, but that is poetical.

I honestly don't associate hezbollah with iran. or syria or both, I think 4 million lebanese are to little for hezbollah though.

In that sense an isolated hezbollah, would ofcourse be dependend of some syrian imports,
when it had democratic elections like hamas. It's really quite a forced choice between librapal and syrian socialist tolerance.

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you mean sectarianism, but we all knew what you meant...

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