Thursday, September 07, 2006

Lebanon in shambles

Lebanon's Debt-to-GDP ratio has now officially topped 200 percent!

The debt at the beginning of 2006 was $38.6 billion. Today, it is projected to be around $41 billion.

Lebanese officials estimate that Lebanon's GDP shrunk by around 8 percent to $18 billion.

For their part, certain Business groups have estimated that the war cost Lebanon $7 to $8 billion in direct and indirect losses.

The Stockholm conference pledged approximately $2 billion.


Mr. Smarterthanyou said...

Maybe if the world wasn't so quick to bail Lebanon out, more Lebanese would be willing to risk something to get rid of HB. Maybe more would be willing to stop the idiotic mantra of "It's all Israel's fault".

Lirun said...

luckily for us though we have a better understanding of the world and the region and so we know that such mantra has only limited appeal..

the world has moved on from that and now we are focussing on rebuilding.. at least most of us are..

Mr. Smarterthanyou said...

llirun, this is what makes the left so wrong, so damaging, and so foolish.

Why focus on rebuilding when it will happen again? You say you have a better understanding of the world? Kinda snotty, and real silly sounding too. Are you on the leftist "peace" front incapable of learning from history? If you have such great understanding, you wouldn't have lived under near war conditions for almost 60 years. If you liberal jews are so smart, why did you not end this once and for all?

Mark my words, Lebanon will not go far enough to solve the problem. HB will provoke Israel again, Israel will respond, and more Lebanese and Israelis will die.

And leftists will keep saying the same nieve, silly, wishful things.

Lirun said...

who's leftist.. and who's liberal..

you have no idea what my political affiliations are..

dude.. you're having a whole conversation with yourself.. i'm just trying to let you know..

take care

Mr. Smarterthanyou said...

lirun, you are a bleeding heart liberal by US standards. You liberals think you are so sophisticated and complex, but you can be read as easy as a children's book. People who foolishly pretend that peace is possible by wishing for it, who have sympathy for the enemy, who post the drivel that you have on your website, are invariably liberal. Don't confuse the issue by getting your panties in a twist over the label. Adress the issues that I pointed out. ANYONE with a healthy brain can see there is no peace in Lebanon, only a ceasefire.

Chas said...

I hope I never get to be as smart as you! I hope I continue to stupidly believe that a ceasefire is a good start, that supporting the vast majority of the population of Lebanon, who are moderate, by helping them rebuild their country is basically a good idea .. that fostering dialogue between Israelis and Lebanese makes more sense than your hopeless(in every sense of the word) conclusion.

Stupider than you, but still right.

Dimitry said...


mr. smarterthanyou may suffer from terminal lack of tact, but his points are not invalid. Cease fire that would be merely breathing space before the hostilities begin anew is nothing to celebrate. Dialogue between Israelis and Lebanese may be nice and all, but if HA remains the de-facto sovereign in South Lebanon, this dialogue won't do squat to prevent the next round.

Lirun said...

mr whatever.. i dont live by US standards.. it may surprise you to know that we dont all benchmark ourselves to the US.. but its true.. its interesting that you mix my opinions with assumptions as to my emotions.. but consistent with your manner..

you may be unfamiliar with blog etiquette but i dont in fact owe you an answer.. i am not obliged to follow your train of thought or engage in any specific debate with you.. its my choice..

your insults reflect only on you.. so dont be too concerned about my undergarments.. they are perfectly in tact..

i will say that i am flattered by your comparison to children's books.. if our world was run by children im sure it would be a much better place.. i note from your profile that you take an interest in guns.. we probably dont need a genius to figure out that you and i admire different things.. what do americans call you guys "rednecks"? whatever.. you are rights labels are meaningless.. while you can theorise about my world.. i live in it and love it.. at the same time i acknowledge that others arent having as much fun as i am and i seek to change that.. with respect to enemies i dont know what you're talking about.. no one decides for me who i hate.. i decide for myself and right about now im not hating anyone.. so again.. your comment isnt making sense in my world..

anyway.. we have done something clever today.. by partly removing the blockade we have shown lebanon that what HA couldnt do with 6 weeks of fighting.. seniora did in a few weeks of talking.. we have helped moderate lebanon win.. we have in effect collaborated..

hoping the ends reinforce the means - hope is relevant


Chas said...

nicely put!
I know a ceasefire in itself is not the answer, I know dialogue in itself is not an answer.
They are just steps on a long and hard road, but merely because they are small steps does not make them meaningless.
I also know that there are many dangers on that road and the restarting of hostilities is not impossible .. in the meantime every day that no bombs or rockets fall is a good day.

Peace, Chas

Dimitry said...


There are other steps, vital ones, without which - yes, cease fire and dialoue would be utterly useless. And I don't see anyone is working on those vital ones, unfortunatly.

Papa Ray said...

It appears that the problems between countries since the "good war" are caused by there not being a "winner" nor a "loser".

Conflicts and battles don't ever solve anything, it takes a descructive, kill them until they surrender, then imprison them until they submit to subjugation and cry for mercy type war to settle anything.

We seem to have grown past that point in mankinds development.

Now we just keep fighting little skirmishes and keep dying without any resoulution to anything.

Seems kind of stupid and futile to me.

Papa Ray
West Texas

Lirun said...

i would delete the words "seems" and "to me"

Mr. Smarterthanyou said...

The issue reminds me of a Star Trek show. Two civilizations, tired of the brutality of their long war, decide to have a computer program "simulate" the war. The computer selects people on both sides that must be euthanized in a humane manner, as if they were killed in an attack. Result: long, long war, casualties and brutality kept to manageable levels.

Kirk destroyed the computer, and faced with all out war, both sides sued for peace.

Fearless said...

The Hizb is back with piles of money from Teheran
Hezbollah tackles rebuilding challenges By ALFRED de MONTESQUIOU, Associated Press Writer
Tue Sep 12, 5:30 AM ET

SRIFA, Lebanon - Jamal Farhat fled his town in southern Lebanon after an Israeli airstrike destroyed more than a dozen homes there, killing some 30 people.


Although his home was destroyed, along with his mother's and his sister's, Farhat drove back twice a week to bring food to Hezbollah fighters. He recently received $30,000 from the militant group for the leveled homes, he said.

"Hezbollah even gave me $5,000 for my grandmother because she's 101 years old and I take care of her," he said.

Yellow Hezbollah banners float over much of the debris in Srifa and across southern Lebanon, where residents are starting to dig out from Israel's 34-day bombardment.

The region — pockmarked with bomb craters and lined with pictures of slain Hezbollah fighters — now teems with engineers from the group's Jihad al-Bina, or "construction for the sake of the holy struggle."

The Israeli campaign flattened some 300 of Srifa's houses during the war. Another 800 homes — more than half the town — were seriously damaged, said town council governor Afif Najdeh.

Shortly after a U.N.-brokered cease-fire halted the fighting on Aug. 14, Hezbollah head Sheik Hassan Nasrallah vowed to rebuild every broken home in Lebanon within a year, and to financially support war victims.

Many Srifa residents say they are confident that Hezbollah engineers — who have visited each house and distributed $10,000 for each one destroyed — will rebuild their town within a year.

But not everyone is so sure.

"All the infrastructure is destroyed. It will take years, and millions, to rebuild," Najdeh said.

Srifa council member Hassan Ramadan said the rebuilding was mostly in the hands of Hezbollah and Amal, another Shiite Muslim group in an alliance with Hezbollah. Ramadan, an Amal member, said Hezbollah gave his party large sums of cash for its help rebuilding.

"The money comes in large piles of dollars from Beirut," said Ramadan. "It's meant to be a secret, but everybody knows Hezbollah receives it from Iran," he said.

He said Hezbollah's reconstruction efforts would build on its already strong support ahead of municipal elections in 2008.

Some Srifa residents were unswayed.

Abou Hassan said he hadn't supported Hezbollah or Amal and received no money for his damaged home or his mother's house, which was flattened.

"It's a mafia — if you don't support Hezbollah or Amal, you get nothing," he bellowed. "America and Iran are fighting their little war in Lebanon, and I don't get a dime for my broken house," he said, echoing a widely held opinion among Lebanese that their country was caught in a broader Mideast power play.

Mohammed Hussein, tasked with lifting slabs of concrete at one excavation site on the outskirts of Srifa, said the town council paid him $10 a day for the work.

"For me, it's good money," said the 19-year-old who'd made plans to go to university before the war broke out.

Najdeh, who described himself as apolitical, was elusive about where rebuilding funds were coming from. He said he couldn't raise local taxes because his constituents were too poor, and lost their largest asset when Israeli attacks destroyed tobacco fields that fuel the local economy.

He said the bulk of reconstruction was being handled by the central government, which hired a contractor to clear the rubble.

Ramadan's son Raed, whose damaged Internet cafe entitles him to compensation money, said he'd seen a heavily protected cash convoy arrive in Srifa two days earlier.

"A Hezbollah man with a big beard carried it in a large bag on his shoulder, like Santa Claus," he said.

Hezbollah chief spokesman Hussein Rahal declined to provide details on the group's reconstruction efforts.

"We don't have an exact budget for now. There are many steps and it will take a long while," he told The Associated Press by telephone from Beirut.

Fearless said...

Was taken off the blogosphere as Hizboullah thug threatened the operators and the families of the operators of this blog for being anti Hizb and in their words: "collaborators with Israel"
What a shame.
The site shows an innocuous "under construction"