Those 3000 rockets have killed 33 Israeli civilians - as compared to the Lebanese civilian toll, which is quickly climbing up to a thousand deaths, with several times as many injuries.
My question to the high and mighty Hizballah is: whatever happened to the "balance of terror" that you promised would "protect Lebanon from Israeli aggression?"
Two days ago (or yesterday), when I heard Nasrallah "threaten" the Israelis that he would hit Tel Aviv if the Israelis hit Central Beirut, two thoughts came to my mind:
- This pompous (...) actually believes that the reason the Israelis aren't hitting Central Beirut is because of him and his "detterence capabilities"!!! How delusional can he get???
- The man is brilliant: He knows the Israelis are not going to hit Central Beirut, and he wants to take credit for it - in preparation for the political tug of war that will materialize within Lebanon after the guns fall silent.
Its proclaimed ability to protect Lebanon from Israel has summed up to nothing more than causing a fraction of the damage to Israel in retaliation. All Hizballah can claim any kind of credit for is its ability to protect itself, and avoid elimination - small consolation to the rest of us.
28 comments:
raja..
thanks for sharing your thoughts..
i hope other lebanese people see it the same way..
on both sides we need reasonable minds to surface through the rubble of propaganda so that we can base a peace treaty on something..
sleep well mate
peace to all
lirun
telaviv
www.emspeace.blogspot.com
we need to establish tunnels of friendship
Good post.
What are the numbers of Hizbollah killed?
Are they included in the general number or is there a separate count?
I still don't get it about "central-beirut" -
the bridges Israel bombed y'day were not in beirut then?
Israel hasn't touched central beirut?
b.t.w. nasrallah didn't say "central" but only beirut.
as you can see, i am a bit confused about this, can someone explain?
Thanks,
Tse.
Tsedek
No they have not bombed Cental Beirut, the focus was on the southern suburbs where Hezbollah was/is based. The bridges were outside.
Israel's water ambitions have long been addressed through trade and technology.. unfortunately as a dry region - it is clear that natural resources cannot be relied on without further supplementation - desalination and trade..
israel very much wants peace with lebanon.. it just wants its neighbour to restrain the overbearing pet - ferrae naturae.. this pet is a genuinely violent nuisance biting in all directions..
i think we have a real opportunity to progress our region right here..
allow me to remind you that no agreement is ever perfect and ever sufficiently comprehensive to cover all options.. agreements have to be "worked" and that is the real answer.. if we otherwise wait for the perfect magical document that will somehow defend us all - nothing willever change..
wishing peace
lirun
telaviv
www.emspeace.blogspot.com
carpe diem
loli and chas i would like to invite you to become official contributors on my blog.. i shall be offline from thursday for the most part of the following 10 days - i have come to respect your views immensely and your approach to addressing the issues in our region..
(a) in recognition of the value of having both a lebanese person as well as a person from another country that has been through similar
(b) in the interest of keeping the momentum of the blog alive during that brief period
i cordially urge you to accept my invitation
:)
lirun
telaviv
www.emspeace.blogspot.com
good minds and hearts are a valued resource
lebinusa
your comment is both inflammatory and wrong..
we are not your cancer.. wow.. imagine the response an israeli would get if they wrote that they were not anti muslim just anti arab and that arabs were the cancer.. they would be duly scorned for their stupidity.. i shall leave that to my compatriots..
perhaps you can consider (not explain but just consider to yourself) how humane the HA's 3000 missiles have been and how much launching has been akin to showering us with flowers..
secondly you might also want to consider how much those "who fight for you" care about you when they wage a war in your name without telling you.. imagine you have a house sitter that gets pissed of at your neighbour and decides to burn their house down because they have been bad neighbour to you.. would you call their actions honorable or even remotely recommended..
finally lebin.. i dont know a single israeli who wants lebanese soil.. not even the most fanatic ones i know.. and i know some - believe you me..
your message says the word peace.. but its couched in firy words of war and hatred.. i suggest you closely examine your own heart and decide what you want because your message doesnt come across as very coherent..
wishing peace to all.. truly
lirun
telaviv
www.emspeace.blogspot.com
enough is enough
today should be a day of intense hope.. dont waste your breath on mutual judgment.. religious ones should be praying and others wishing as hard as they can..
we have a historic opportunity unfolding before us..
today more than many other days may one day be the subject of much admiration or condemnation by our future generations for years to come..
hope it wont be wasted..
wishing us all peace very soon
lirun
telaviv
www.emspeace.blogspot.com
6 story - 16 apartments.. lets try to stay accurate
hehe - to be honest imnot even sure.. so many numbers fly across the screen.. im probably wrong
:(
To my Lebanese neighbors
Why is it that also you resort to that typical Arab habit of always blaming others for your misery?
The past year I was getting a better opinion of the Lebanese, but you are sinking to the same low levels as your Syrian controllers, your Iranian fuehrers and your terrorist buddies of Hizbollah, Hamas and Al Qaida.
Why don’t you admit it:
YOU ARE THE VICTIMS OF YOUR OWN FAILURE!!!!
It’s so damn simple to always blame us, Israelis, for what you are doing to yourselves. Great, easy way out.
Suddenly 600 Lebanese civilians dead (which is regretful, as any number of people killed, even 1, is awful) are much worse (conveniently called: genocide or holocaust…..strange, a name used by Holocaust deniers) than the 45,000 Lebanese citizens killed and 200,000 wounded in your own gang and feudal wars in the eighties? Well, civilians? How sure can we be that a large number of these so-called civilians aren’t Hizbollah terrorists: they don’t wear any uniforms, and mingle amongst the general population.
Set up some nice photo ops, manipulate your photographic evidence in Photoshop, stage some fine Lebawood scenes with the help of your AP, Reuters, BBC, CNN and Al-Jazeera friends, and done: the world is on your side and at your feet.
If you follow the media (and your Lebanese talking heads who are grateful and manipulative interviewees) closely, you start to believe that Beirut now looks like Dresden, which was bombed to smithereens by the Brits and Americans. The British admitting that their carpet bombing of the 15 km2 inner city cost 80,000 lives, the Nazi propaganda claim 400,000 dead, and the Russians 200,000 dead. Well, a few hundred thousand more or less, who cares….. One of your ambassadors even claimed that Israel’s “destruction” of Beirut is worse than the destruction of Hiroshima (80% of the city obliterated with 200,000 dead and 60,000 that died later)…….
We are going through the same Jenin and Mohammed Al-Dura media farces right now.
I can still hear that UN special envoy Terje Roed-Larsen lamenting: “The devastation of Jenin refugee camp, invaded by the Israel army, is horrific beyond belief. It is totally destroyed, it looks like an earthquake has hit it.” The same Larsen who, when with UNRWA, spent millions on Kalashnikovs, RPG’s, explosives, and copies of “Mein Kampf” and “The Elders of Zion” for the poor Pali refugees.
But let me not divert too much. We are talking Lebanon….and that’s different from Paliland……is it really?
Admit: this is a media war. Your Hizbollah friends do not care one iota about a single Lebanese life. Dead women and children are assets, worth more than a blown-up apple tree in Israel. They infiltrated the lives of over a million people, from South Beirut to the Lebanese-Israeli border.
Their so-called social services are a total scam.
They offer villagers the opportunity to have a local school, a local clinic, a local community center, all in exchange for loyalty. This “loyalty” consists of allowing the building of storage places and bunkers under, in, or next to your houses, which you have to vouch to keep secret. The newly built clinics, schools, mosques (sometimes churches, but not often) and community centers all have special bunkers with storage facilities, but also with dormitories. The first to store explosives, rockets and rocket launchers, the latter to hide their “resistance fighters”, often the "innocent civilian" inhabitants of that same house. The other nicety is running water. The water pipes, running from village to village, are primarily meant to run communication cables. They’re not stupid: satellite and GSM communications can be intercepted. On top of that, these pipes hold wires for the remote detonation of roadside bombs, placed at intervals in small boxes, and filled with explosives, nails and ball bearings. Finally, the summum of loyalty is to have one or more of your sons join them, preferably when they are still very young teenagers. In the beginning you “volunteer” your sons, but after some time you are forced to give them up. They are taken to Syria, the better ones to Iran for their "education". In reality, they are brainwashed and trained in jihad, martyrdom, arms, explosives and guerilla fighting. After their indoctrination, your kids come back with a bunch of Iranian Revolutionary Guard instructors, and they are forced to ignore you. Some families experienced how their programmed sons are commanded to rape their own sisters, and for some, filthy reason the Iranians go after the village's little boys. When these child victims have worn out (usually after a few weeks), they simply kill them. Absolutely ghastly.
To quote the Lebanese I went to school with, I do business with (in Lebanon self, France and the Caribbean), and that live almost next door to me (who barely escaped from the claws of Amal and Hizbollah): “There is no place in the world with gorier gangs than Lebanon.”
Your country is a fantasy, shoved onto you by the French and the British after smothering the Turks. Until 1918, you were just one of the provinces of the Ottoman Turkish Empire. The Turks owned most of the Middle East, and the Arabs stuck to local clan loyalties. But when the Ottomans bet on the wrong horse, siding with Germany, the Brits infiltrated the Ottoman Empire, inciting the Arabs, one clan, gang or sect against the other. They did so in Iraq (till this very day), Lebanon and Syria (even though the froggies were there), and of course, in Mandatory Palestine (for the latter they found easy prey: Jews). Everywhere they left, there was sectarian or religious strife: not only in the Middle East, but also in India, Southeast Asia, Africa, the Caribbean, the Pacific Islands……you name it.
There are so few Lebanese who are prepared and willing to roll up their sleeves and make a country out of your amalgamation of clans and gangs. We get these fantastic examples of the 3 new Lebanese billionaires, like a Hariri. But where are those billions coming from? Rebuilding Lebanon? No, more like drugs, arms and forced labor (from cheap Asian laborers to East European teenage prostitutes). Aren’t you aware that this Nasrallah twit is only concerned with his future? The more destruction there is in Lebanon, the more money he expects to make with his construction companies, cement and building materials import companies, etc. He learned very well from Arafat when they met to discuss these great schemes, no matter how much they hated each other towards the outside world.
There were signs last year that you were on the right track, forcing the Syrian Army out (forgetting to oust the 3,000 Syrian secret service agents, and to do something about the 5,000 Hizbullah terrorists), but then the usual haggling started. What do you expect with a political system and so-called democratic voting system that is totally manipulative. The whole system is a gun powder keg about to explode (again).
Your system divvying up the government along no longer valid ethnic lines is impossible. The main “groups” (which are internally divided in dozens of sub-groups) each claim to be 50% of the population: the Shia, the Sunni and the Christians. That makes your country unique with a population of more than 150%, not even counting the other clans and religions.
Then each of these ethnic gangs tends to shift their loyalty all the time. One day the Druze go to bed with the Christians, the next day they blow them up. Then the Syrians are supported by the Sunni, the next day the Shia are inundated with arms and money from Syria. Not to forget the murderous interfaith (?) wars between the Christian militia groups. Your list of assassinations and attempted murders is long, very long: Sayyid Musa Sadr, Muhammad Hussein Fadlallah, Grand Mufti Hassan Khalid, Na’im Qasim, Elie Hobeika, Rene Mouawad, Fouad Abu Nader, Selim al-Hoss, Karim Pakradouni, Amine (or Bachir, I forgot which one) Gemayel, Mustafa Saad, Jean Ghanem, Rafik Hariri, and another 1,200 victims or near-victims. Of course, all these murders were conveniently blamed on us, the Israelis. Loyalty and clarity are two words that do not exist in the Lebanese dictionary.
Since your very existence you have progressed from one gang war to the other. Very nasty wars with massacres, assassinations, kidnappings, tortures, rapes, forced conversions and baby snatchings. Never real battles, mostly extortion, blackmail, sneaky roadside bombings, and lately suicide bombings. Mafia-style, but than on a rougher, larger scale.
But, where there is a will, there is a way.
And we trust there is that will. The will to live and let live.
There is only ONE way, and that is to free yourselves from people and countries that impose their will on you.
Get rid of the fanatics. Islamofanaticsm doesn’t work: it only divides and keeps people dumb, and makes them selfish, dangerous and callous.
Get rid of Hizbollah, the Palestinian terrorist groups and the Phalangist gangs. It’s a big task, but they are small in numbers, as long as you are strong in mind and determination.
But you must be able to offer them something:
(a) The Shia (who outbred both the Sunnis and Christians in your country) a better education and healthcare (and birth control…).
(b) Get the Palestinians out of those refugee camps, and make them Lebanese citizens, as we gave the well over 750,000 Jewish refugees from Arab countries Israeli citizenship.
(c) The Christian militia? Just disarm them.
Finally: Tell the Syrians and Iranians to mind their own business and get out of Lebanon, unless they promise to behave like human beings.
And to satisfy us: hand over your master assassin: Imad Mughniyah.
I’m sure you can get all the help you need from us, Israelis, the Americans, Canadians, Australians, Brits, French, Germans, Italians, Dutch, Saudis, Egyptians, Pakistani and many other nations that are willing to stick out their necks and help you make a real country out of Lebanon.
Stop whining, and do something.
The ball is in your court, not ours.
Robert (written from my bomb shelter in North Israel)
you're right indeed.it's politics after all.in other word:make up, games,whatever.Lebanon is paying the price after all
www.doha-echoes.blogspot.com
hi doha
i see you've bailed on us.. i guess we've now dominaed yoursite and turned it into israelibloggers.blogspot.com
i wish my arabic was good enough for me to understand your new blog..
also.. i found your opening words interesting.. in judaism the morning prayer "modeh ani" says thank you for returning my soul to my inside.. which "Echos" your thoughts of rebirth..
we're really not so different
wishing us all peace..
lirun
telaviv
www.emspeace.blogspot.com
people.. again.. we're talking about a war.. people dying left right and centre.. devestation.. you know? you might have seen something on the news about it.. or a couple of articles here and there.. i'm sure..
its actually quite well publicised..
where do you all get off giving eachother spiteful kindergarden little stabs in face of carnage of death.. i don't get it.. this is not some high school feud..
if we're going to talk - cant we at least be respectful towards eachother rather than resorting to vast bitchiness and catiness..
no one is forcing us to agree.. but if we cant be civil on a friggin blog.. what chance do we stand outside..
please..
i'm not asking for much
yuval
yes there are many.. i have met many..
loli represents a sizable chunk of the lebanese expatriot community..
pretty cool huh
loli - i was hoping to add you as a member to www.emspeace.blogspot.com so you could actually make a post rather than just a comment.. not sure quite how to.. but would that be alright with you?
i am very sad about the human lives lost and also sad about the forests devestated.. this is our lung.. this is what allows us all to breath only semi polluted air..
i hope some joint reforestation efforts are initiated at some stage..
new growth plantations have recently been found to be heavy methane emitters..
so many aspects to the tragedy..
wishing peace on all of us
lirun
telaviv
www.emspeace.blogspot.com
so much to fix.. better get cracking
loli
to add a team member i need your email.. if you like you can email it to me at lirun@blueorange.com.au
we need these bridges of friendship badly.. this is so important
its natural that everyone will side with whoever is closest to them..
supporting your own is instinctive and important in its own right.. but it becomes problematic when it categorically ignores truth and reality..
we all need to grab a bit of distance so we can take a more responsible view of our tiny region..
wishing us peace pronto
lirun
telaviv
www.emspeace.blogspot.com
From what I see in last 3 weeks and what is happening right now I don’t see any hope for future . if UN resolution comes out as we hear it in last 2 days so called France- US initiative .
Lebanon will be another Pl case on Israel neck for decades to come , Lebanon new born government will crash and Lebanon will become another Iraq . Israel will face disaster kieas boarders and Lebanon is domed for now .
It seems no body want to understand that Lebanon is a new born baby who have to or asked to lift 10,000 kg weight . this baby will be crash if every party keep push for that lift .
HOPING is not a plan. '
this war is a no win situation war . no boday will win but for sure it will not end. for sure it will not end
Thank you Lisoosh :)
Tse.
the rastas also tend to use the word zion in reggae songs.. do you hate reggae?
The religious leader of the Hez said that they were ready and willing to make any sacrifice.
Chilren included.
So does that statement make this article more believable?
Report: Hezbollah placed a rocket launcher on the roof of the building in Qana to provoke an Israeli attack and brought invalid children inside to be victims.
Papa Ray
West Texas
USA
To robert18,
Nice read. but
"There is only ONE way, and that is to free yourselves from people and countries that impose their will on you."
First I admit my ignorance, of the history and what is possible and what is impossible for Lebanon, the government, the villagers, to do or not to do.
But, Bottom line: YOu are telling Lebanon to do something that I think is like telling a man who has been sick all his life, first one ailment, then another, if one part of him became healthy, another part was getting a worse disease..This condition is the condition I understand as your version of Lebanon. But, in the final analysis
of the country and its history you tell it to get up and cure itself. This is very strange. You are saying that the country act as a whole complete individual and beat part of its own body with some kind of threat of amputation or surgery. You the doctor are saying to the patient, "Just take up a pair of pliars or a knife and begin hacking away at your own body." This reminds me of the Americans in their living rooms saying, "YOU Iraqi just have to do what our country did in
1776." It just isn't believable. I have no idea whether what you have written is a fiction or an accurate assessment of Lebanon. But your concluding diagnosis on what the people should and shouldn't do, leaves alot of what I know about human and social reality ignored. Yet, I can see that you have no choice. You and the rest of Israel would transform the country if you were in charge, but you aren't, so you must tell the Lebanese to do it. Quite convenient way to conclude your sermon (forgive me, I felt you were lecturing your congregation).
After Israel left, what have they done to help the patient recover? Israel didn't leave the country after it had performed some mercy mission to help the country, did it?
And since then, what has Israel done to really help Lebanon recover or heal itself? What was the medicine that Israel offered? And what were the conditions?
Do all of the Israeli believe that the actions taken over the past weeks are medicine that will lead to a cure of the problem?
FGA, how do you reach your conclusions? Hezbollah is getting their butts handed to them on a plate, and you are calling them 'powerful'?
You can choose who you want to hate, but if the list doesn't include Syria, Iran and Hezbollah, you are going to be sitting under a rain of bombs in just a few years, exactly where Lebanon is today. Because of Hezbollah. Because of Nasrallah and his masters in Iran.
The reason Lebanon is not a giant parking lot right now is simply because the Israelis are not like the monkey Nasrallah and the pigs of Hezbollah who follow him - all who kill civilians for fun. It has nothing to do with weakness.
Dubya and Condi will be happy to help once the cancer of Hezbollah is eradicated from the great nation of Lebanon. Heres to hoping for peace soon, and never letting Iran control Lebanon again!
It seems like almost all the complaints are about Hizbolla on these blogs. How about the atrocities Israel is commiting? There are no winners here, the biggest loser in Humanity!
I wrote my view here
www.modernpharaoh.blogspot.com
Nasrallah is an idiot, he's like a cornered snake!!
on the other hand Israel is committting massacres, and destroying LEbanon, there are no winners here! Israelis are merciless cowards and so is Hizbolla, even though Hizbolla does have a cause they are and have been fighting for!
My view here www.modernpharaoh.blogspot.com
Fight Hezb'allah. If you don't, their Iranian masters will take the entire region down in flames. Use Lebanese army to seal off the Syrian border.
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