The Lebanese Bloggers: Chiyah

Thursday, August 10, 2006

Chiyah

The funerals grow bigger as the coffins grow smaller. The only static facts are that Israel wants peace and these are the birth pangs for a new middle east!

29 comments:

Amon Ra said...: The worst thing when you see so many tragic images is that after a point you don't feel anything...

The pain of 'other' becomes part of your (MY) life or have you (I) become a heartless animal??

I have never been in a position like this (having relatives or friends murdered as war victims) and that is why i avoid make any criticism on the feelings of these people who experience so much pain. But the pain generates hate and this chain seems to be infinite in ME.

P.S: It is a very strange day in UK today.; 11:37 AM
Amon Ra said...: Omer;

That is the same everywhere not only in ME.

Sometime-somebody-somehow has to change his mentality. If you believe that a right wing government will be the next one in Israel and things may get worse then why yesterday you mentioned that you still hope.

Then, i ask you again... You hope on what? That suddenly arabs will wake up one day without mixed or enemy feelings for Israel????

Other people here may hope on something romantic but that is their philosophy about life. I respect it and i will respect your belief on hope whatever will be.

You may presume i believe that only Israel has to show good will but i don't. However, Israel has crossed the line in a more than provocative way.

After a point it is like a video game. You target 100 units and you hope you will hit 10 correct ones. This is not war but something very very different.

I really want your opinion except if you believe that when Israel is under attack i have a party burning Israeli flags...

I have the privilege to be an outsider but right now i am looking only for common sense...; 12:17 PM
Amon Ra said...: Omer;

I definitely agree with your argument about influential leaders but it takes time and i have a couple of examples in my mind where wise leaderships fell because of the speculation of warmonger groups.

Anyway, i understand your point although i still consider at least 'disproportionate' the Israeli reaction.; 12:52 PM
Amon Ra said...: gsh;

Don't worry man,

Warmongers and radicals are very useful sometimes as negative role models. And don't forget that these radicals are more often manipulated means of 'smart' people who know how to handle the 'simple masses'. They just say the same monotonous poem every single time; 12:59 PM
Amon Ra said...: 1earth;

Lets make the hypothesis you sweep the whole Lebanon, eliminate Hezbollah and do not give a very good motive to Syria, for instance, to engage in a larger scale conflict.

You will be the absolute winners and then you will help whatever remains in Lebanon to establish again a democratic regime? And in the other areas of dispute everything will be ok (if ever was)? Please explain me how optimistic you are because i think you somehow suggest that when you dispose and exercice power then eventually there will be a moment when you will be the only winner.

However, history has proven this is not the case. And when you are surrounded by Islamic nations (and from extremist groups in many caeses)again i do not understand when does the optimism of power exercice results comes to an end.

Maybe i am a fool or i do not understand the reality of ME but the scenario you propose implies you will be in war for the rest of your lives... And i do not think you really want something like that.; 2:05 PM
lisoosh said...: Why are there no women or children at the funeral?; 3:10 PM
Akiva M said...: liona,

explain one very simple fact to me:

Lebanon, Hezbollah and Iran are begging for a cease fire. Israel is not.

generally, the ones begging for the fighting to stop are on the wrong end of it.

Israel is apparently losing so badly that it wants to continue losing for another 30 days. And Hezbollah is sending Mugniyeh south because they're doing fine without him.

But I'm sure that all of this makes sense in your head.; 5:29 PM
Andrey said...: And beleive me you guys are a wounded animal after this war with us and all the arab countries re smelling the blood and realizing that you are not that strong

kind of speaks for itself...; 5:44 PM
MarkCh said...: I'm just a Canadian, so maybe I shouldn't be commenting. But, from what I know of history, it seems to me that Israel did strike hard and fast at Egypt, Jordan, and Syria, during various wars, and now is at peace (with varying degrees of uneasiness) with all three. Did the people of those countries forgive Israel? Or just decide that it wasn't sensible to keep fighting? Maybe the problem is just that Lebanon and the Palestinians don't have governments with the monopoly of force in their own territories, so terrorists with little to lose (unlike Bashar Assad, who has a lot of nice palaces to lose) can attack with impunity?; 8:45 PM
Tour Guide Jack said...: Let's see...Israel invades Lebanon in 1978 and then spends the next 22 years abducting and detaining citizens, destroying homes, bombing villages,jailing and torturing minors, women and children and the elderly, all while ignoring UN resolution 425. (Allegations made by the UN human rights commission, not by me). Then after withdrawing in 2000, Israel spends 6 years violating the airspace and territorial seas of Lebanon, while withholding from the Lebanese government maps indicating the location of Israeli planted landmines, all the while complaining that the Lebanese government is not doing enough to disarm Hezbollah. Hezbollah gains support from the people by providing social assisstance - quite substantial I'd imagine as more than 15 000 families were affected by death during the Israeli occupation. A substantial Palestinian population within Lebanon reacts negatively to the deaths of 4150+ Palestinians in the Occupied Territories killed since 2000. Imagine that? This compares to 1000+ Israeli deaths.
The US continues to give Israel 15 million dollars per day while Israel ignores 65 UN resolutions targeting its actions in the Occupied Territories.
Then Hezbollah kidnaps Israeli soldiers - a common enough practice of the IDF while in South Lebanon, and Israel responds by killing Lebanese. Oh sorry, it warns them first and then bombs them as they flee, or waits to drop bombs on funerals (maybe why the somen and children aren't attending them).
Will this policy achieve the peace Israel seeks?; 11:11 PM
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Ecumene said...: http://nofearnohatenogreed.blogspot.com/

Do you have conversations with Syrian Bloggers?Here is one.Basem Soufi.
No Hate,No Fear,No greed; 3:04 AM
Brahms said...: I'm thinking more and more about the result of this current conflict and one conclusion doesn't escape my mind: Unless Lebanon signs a peace treaty with Israel in the near future, we are going to have another war. To this future war Israel is going to be much more prepared (you can rest assure that Israel will learn all the lessons from this war). Lebanon will not have much time to rest.; 4:39 AM
Shirin said...: The situation in Lebanon is bad, and it seems like no one in the world cares about it. Can't they see that it is just getting worst?
Israel says that their only intention is to stop Hizbollah, but the kill civilians on their way to do so. The Awful Truth is that someone should stop Hizbollah. I preffer it will be our government and not Israel. I don't remeber asking for help from Israel. Hizbollah are also the blame for this war, they are also the blame for the death of innocent civilians. Why do they lunches missiles from am rural area? They know that Israel wont think twice... Israel doesnt care whetherer there are innocent civilians or not. They just want to win this war... and to stop Hizbollah missiles lunch.

Peace in Lebanon

Shirin
http://shirin-from-lebanon.blogspot.com/; 6:46 AM
Μαύρος Γάτος said...: Courage, friends
REQUIEM FOR AΝ UNKNOWN BABY, FOR PEACE, AND FOR LOGIC

LISTEN HOW THE BLATANT RABBI GLORIFIES MURDER: "DURING TIME OF WAR, THE ENEMY HAS NO INNOCENT"; 8:07 AM
Μαύρος Γάτος said...: Omer, I imagined their beinh "extremists" and their opinions not being approved by the majority of the Israelis. The problem is that their "principles", the "principles" these Rabbis encourage, are used at this very moment IN PRACTICE by the Israeli army....

Just not to let anybody misunderstand my position, I don't accept the Hizbullah absurd claims for the eradication of Israel. I accept Israel, AT THE 1949 BORDERS.

but I don't accept Israel acting like a Bully in the region...

Shalom; 8:47 AM
Μαύρος Γάτος said...: z, ok, some photos have been forged, and it's awful, but as far as it regards the WAR, so what?????? Does it sum up with the massacres and the terror???????????; 8:49 AM
Μαύρος Γάτος said...: Z, I am sorry you are trying to create impressions with absurd arguments. The Israeli community of Thessaloniki haw been destroyed by the Nazis, noty by the Greeks, who also payed very a heavy blood toll for WWII. And anyway this has nothing to do with the situation in the middle east today.

Omar, the situation for Israeli citizens is also awful and every death counts, from any side. But one cannot forget who is the attacker and who is the besieged in this situation.; 10:19 AM
Andrey said...: don't know if it's true, but:

STRAIGHT FROM THE MOVIES

http://www.iranpressnews.com/source/015291.htm (link to Farsi)

Islamic regime plans to dispatch Arabic-speaking Iranians from the city of Ahvaz to Lebanon (Volunteers being recruited from Prisons like in the movies).

According to received reports, the Islamic regime is encouraging young Arabic-speaking residents from city of Ahvaz (Province of Khuzestan*) to participate in the war in Lebanon alongside Hezbollah against Israeli forces. Each person is being offered approximately $10,000.

The Islamic regime has told the volunteers that since they are Arabic-speakers, their presence in Lebanon will not be conspicuous. Volunteers will first go through a short basic training camp in Iran and then will be dispatched to
Lebanon.

Previous reports also indicate that the Islamic regime has also granted full pardons to criminals who are either serving life-in-prison or are on death-row in Iran, in exchange for their "volunteering" to go to Lebanon. The conditions of prisons in Iran is so deplorable that already 400 prisoners have chosen going to war in Lebanon over staying in the regime’s prisons.

* The province of Khuzestan borders on Iraq and a large majority of the residents of that province are bilingual Persian and Arabic-speakers.; 10:26 AM
Baroon said...: I LOVEEEEEEEEEEED last sentence “ sad el hariri” said 5 mint ago in his press confers

Reporter asked him :” some believe that Israel targeted near your house at Ghoraytem to intimate you and a personal message for you and ur effort with your French friends “

He replied “ That’s why I came back “

This is how Lebanese think.. this is the Lebanese sprit ..nothing will break it nothing will intimate it .; 10:48 AM
Lirun said...: dunes

i thought our budget was more along the lines of US$270B

Omer

a right wing government is not always so bad.. u know by now that i am a supporter of left wing principles of social justice etc.. but history has shown us that in israel only a right wing government can deliver peace because only they can shift the threshold of consensus to the level required so avoid a split in the country..

a left wing government making land concessions doesnt work..

wishing peace on all of us

lirun
from telaviv - now in barcelona
www.emspeace.blogspot.com
we too should have a peaceful country on the med sea..; 11:05 AM
Lirun said...: the agreement with jordan did not require genuine negotiation it was more just a formalisation of a long standing ceasefire arrangement and the open bridges policy..

but as you well noted.. to give land back we needed a charismatic right winged leader..; 11:30 AM
Ecumene said...: The Holy Inquisition was raging in Spain and Portugal in 1492. Jews and heretics were persecuted and burned. Jews were forcibly converted but even then persecuted. They were called New Christians and were constantly watched and spied on for any signs that they were holding on to their old religion. For example, New Christians bathing on Friday was a suspicious thing since that meant they were preparing for Sabbath. The New Christians (or Marranos, meaning "swine," as sometimes they were called) were constantly subjected to mass killings and burnings with the blessing of the King and the Catholic Church. At the same time, on the other side of Europe, the Ottoman Empire was enjoying prosperity and peace after having conquered the old Byzantium. Greece was part of the Ottoman Empire and enslaved to the Turks.

The Sultan opened the door of the Empire to the refugees from Iberia. Even though Christians were persecuted by the Ottomans, Jews were respected and left alone to practice their faith in relative peace. Thousands of Jews converged to Salonica, a sea port in the Northern Aegean.

Terra Nostra: The Exodus From Spain
by Discarded Lies at March 11, 2005 07:46 AM; 12:11 AM
Ecumene said...: The communities flourished during the reign of Alexander the Great and the subsequent Hellenistic period in around 300 B.C.E. Jewish immigrants flooded Hellenist cities along the Aegean Coast and the Greek mainland. The Greeks were polytheistic and maintained a glamorous lifestyle. While most Jews retained their monotheism, many wealthy Jews were attracted to Greek culture and created a class of assimilated, pro-Greek Jews.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Greece.html; 12:28 AM
Ecumene said...: Righteous Among the Nations (Hebrew: חסידי אומות העולם, Hasidei Umot HaOlam) is a term used to describe non-Jews who risked their lives during the Holocaust in order to save Jews from extermination by the Nazis.; 12:44 AM
Ecumene said...: Greek Righteous Gentiles in the Holocaust, A Renewed Look and Their Current
State of Being Recognized”
Yitzchak Kerem, Aristotle University, Thessaloniki, Greece

....The Athenian Police Chief Angelos Ebert and other police officers issued new
identification cards with Greek sounding names to thousands of Jews hiding in Athens.
The above mentioned leftist partisan movement ELAS-EAM accepted the Jewish youth
in their ranks and harbored families in the villages under their protection. The latter was
active in organizing the escape of Greek Jews from the Euboea Peninsula by fishing boats
to Turkey and from there to Eretz-Israel by way of a temporary internment in British
military camps in Allepo, Syria for interrogation by British intelligence agents. Sotiris
Papastratis, of ELAS and a native of Chalkis, who helped coordinate Jewish illegal
immigration movement to Palestine from Greece to Turkey via fishing boats that left
every two weeks from Zakaios on the east coast of the Euboea Peninsula was recognized
by Yad Vashem as a Righteous Gentile for saving more than 800 Jews....; 12:49 AM
Gila said...: Hmmm...how about if I mourn your dead as much as the Lebanese mourn our dead. And...I will go outside and publically protest bombs in Lebanon when the Lebanese go outside and publically protest Hezbollah bombing of Israel --which are, incidentally, all targeted at civilian areas. We have plenty of pictures of our own of crumbled buildings and people in the rubble--though you conveniently choose to ignore them--or celebrate them. Of course, the reality is that most Israelis do feel sorrow at civilian deaths on the Lebanese side. This can be contrasted with Lebanese jubilation and dancing at deaths of our civilians.

As my father used to say "if you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen". This is not a case of Israeli agression. You attacked us. Your government allowed Hezbollah to declare war on Israel on Lebanon's behalf. Lebanon has no reason to complain when war results. It is a shame that they did not think of the Lebanese children (and the lack of decent bomb shelters) before they did so, but hey, you elected them. Maybe next time, before your government allows half of your country to be controlled by a terrorist militia hell bent on attacking your southern neighbor, it will give some thought to your children? Perhaps your citizens will take a stand rather than allow terrorist groups to use their neighborhoods and houses as staging areas? It is terrible that innocents are dying, but if you expect us to sacrifice our children because you will not take responsibiity for protecting yours from those who would use them as shields and propoganda props...you are out of your minds. Take responsibility for your country!

I also agree with the previous commenter who noted that, if we were not precision bombing, the damage would be far, far worse.; 9:21 AM
Beny Shlevich said...: Hey, just because that american idiot Rice says these are "the birth pangs of a new middle east", doens't mean we agree with her. What we want first and upmost is peace of mind, and peace if it's achievable.; 7:55 AM