the draft U.N. resolution is not “balanced” and is a "recipe for the continuation of the (current) war because 'it is not fair for Lebanon' (i.e. Syria)" and also "civil war" in Lebanon, which 'nobody, nobody, nobody' wants except Israel (i.e. Syria) ...
Moallem also said that
Damascus was ready for regional war and will respond "immediately" to any Israeli attack
Syria has just raised the ante. They have, in effect, stated that if the resolution to this conflict does not suit its interest, it is not only ready to continue this war through Hizballah (i.e. morph it into a long-term war of attrition against Israel in Lebanese territory; something they calculate the Israelis desperately want to avoid), but it is willing, and apparently capable of fomenting civil war in Lebanon.
As for Mouallem's little comment concerning a regional war; well, it was just for consumption. You see: the Syrian regime needs to show the Arab street that it is willing to stand up to, and fight the Israelis. It can afford to flutter its wings like that because they know that nobody in this world wants the conflict to expand beyond its current confines (i.e. the confines of that sucker of nation called Lebanon). But guess what? The "Arab street" is stupid enough to buy it!
Oh yeah! The Syrians DEFINITELY have the interests of the Lebanese people at heart! They LOVE the Lebanese people! The sisterly/brotherly/cousinly/etc... Lebanese people!
"If we don't get what we want, we'll foment a new Lebanese civil war because we have Lebanese interests at heart" AWESOME!!!! Now that's what I call LOOOOVE!
44 comments:
Hala,
I did not invite the Israelis to come have their debates on this blog. Furthermore, I simply don't have the time or the wherewithal to moderate; nor does anyone else.
Nobody, however, stops you from commenting (as is quite obvious), so if you have views (which, you apparently do), then why don't you continue to express them.
As for your comment, well, let me just say this: you apparently empathize more with the Syrians than your fellow Lebanese. That, my "sister", says a lot!
hayati,
that particular Lebanese person went and picked a fight with the Israeli without caring for my support or even asking for it. You see he had his syrian and iranian buddies (who, apparently, were much more important than me). Well, if he feels that way, then I can only reciprocate!
regardless of how we feel. At this rate, we could all be losing Lebanon; anytime a single leader of a single community took it upon him to start a war, it ended badly.
Witness Aoun's war of Liberation, before him Bachir struggle against Palestinians, and before him Kamal Bey and his progressist struggles to free Palestine... And that does not mean that this time, Syria is immune. With Iraq in a civil war, Alawite-dominated Syria could be next.
Ibn nag-whatever, thanks man. Thanks for the kind words. Thanks for taking it upon yourself to decide who is "Arab" and who is "Lebanese." Great job man! How did you get it? Can I apply? What are the qualifications?
Oh, and I really appreciate that graphic portrayal of the dying Hizballah fighter. Good stuff man. Are you also a novelist???
Please, I'd like you to elaborate a little more while your at it. Tell me exactly what are the defining characteristics of a "Lebanese" or an "Arab"! Enlighten me, my enlightened friend!!!
Also, please tell me where you came up with the interesting dichotomy of either being (or supporting) a Hizballahi, Baathist, or Islamic Revolutionary, or becomeing a "second class Israeli citizen." You must be on something man... or in some parrallel dimension... last I heard, Lebanon was not part of the Palestinian territories.
Finally, yes I am a coward. I hate war. I hate blood. I hate violence. I like to see myself and my brethren prosper. I like life, and everything that comes with it. Unfortunately, I, and the rest of my countrymen, simply don't have a word on whether or not they want to go to war. We are powerless in our own country, so we pack up and leave. Maybe if we took part in deciding to go to war, we would all stand side by side and fight. But, unfortunately, that is not the case today.
ya ikhwen,
are Hizballah isolated in Lebanon geographically? okay, lets talk the entire shi'a population now. do the shi'a, and by extension Hizballah, live only in the south and the bekaa? NO. Shi'a live all over Lebanon. Beirut, Jbeil, Jabal Libnan, etc....
Shi'a, just like all the other Lebanese sects, can be found all over Lebanon. Therefore, this ridiculous notion of breaking Lebanon apart cannot and will not happen.
In return for accepting Hizballah, I would like the party that claims to represent the Shi'a community in Lebanon to behave like it is an integral part of the Lebanese fabric. That means, it is subject to the will of all the other Lebanese and their political representatives. That means that its military is part of the Lebanese state. That means that it operates only with Lebanon's interests in mind, and not with the mindset of challenging the "American-Zionist Imperial program" at whatever cost!
All of Lebanon is under attack now. Hizballah, probably rightfully, claims that militarily it is untuched!!! So who should fick 3an meen? Khlousna Harb ba2a! And now, we're being threatened with civil war by Syria. Where the hell are we going?
Perhaps, Raja, the disgusting posts directed at you personally are appearing precisely because the partisans of HA have realized that neither Israel nor the so-called 'world community' are going to allow the continued existence of an armed HA quasi-government in Lebanon after the settlement.
al ghadab,
I get your point. and thanks for toning it down a bit.
Israel's behavior is expected. It was always expected. It is no secret that the IDF strives to kill 10 civilians for every one Israeli civilian killed (in this case, it's about 150 Lebanese for every Israeli).
Yet, Hizballah, just like all of us, knew this all along! Hizballah knew exactly how "Deterrence" is defined in the Israeli handbook.
Now, the question is: should you expect more from your adversary or from your ally/family member?
I know what Israel is capable of. I know what it can get away with in this world. Do I go and provoke it? Do I go start a fight with it? Well, maybe if I had nothing to lose. But Lebanon? No. I disagree. I don't think we have nothing to lose.
Raja is correct in his assumption. The Syrians can flap their wings knowing that no one will elt a war in which they will lose happen.
They are trying to ride the popularity of Hezbollah obtained at the cost of so many lives n both sides but particularly on the Lebanese side.
Moualem said that his country wishes for a suitable solution. That might entail Hezbollah getting for it the Sheba farms no matter how many (Lebanese) lives it costs...
Raja,
There is no strive in Israel to kill any civilians. The fact is that they have entered into ground operations which cst them in their own soldiers' lives in order to avoid that. In addition they have been dropping leaflets a day or two before bombings to warn civilians. Now if they wanted civilians killed, why would they do that? Perhaps because they do not wnat it and Hezbollah is using the villagers as shelds? The fact is that the IDF has enough fire power to wipe out any existence of Lebanon. Instead they "prefer" (and by this I mean a relative term. Not like they like it or something) to see their own soldiers at the front instead of sending socrnes of planes to eliminate it. The ratio is now 700 Lebanese to 78 Israelis. Out of those 700 it is unknown how many were Hezbollah but knowing that Hezbollah reservists and fighters are civilians, at least 200 is a reasonable number to assume. Israelis, as can be seen by their press, are their own harshest critics.
Note regarding last comment: the current casualty ratio is not 150 Lebanese for every Israeli. It is more like 25 Lebanese civilians for every Israeli civilian killed.
Hala,
you are right. The kidnapping did not start this war. The kidnapping was not the reason Israel destroyed all of Lebanon. The kidnapping was merely the straw of that broke the camel's back. It was one episode in a war of attrition that Hizballah has been waging on Israel ever since the Israeli withdrawal from the South in 2000.
Did you actually think Israel was just gonna lay back and watch Hizballah hit it with increasing effectiveness once every couple of months??? I don't think so.... Looking back, I am surprized no one ever argued that it was only a matter of time before the Israelis blew their top and flushed all of Lebanon down the drain.
talking to hizballahis when I was in aub, was such a pain. they were so damn dilusional and flush with "impending victory." they would say things like "the Israelis are leaving." "We're driving them out of palestine." "They're cowards and will never fight back."
What kind of nonsense was that? Especially considering that all it would take are 15 to 30 Israelis to launch their nuclear arsenal and destroy the entire region fifty times over.
chris,
i think hala was quoting one of the israeli bloggers.
Lebanon is being devastated by Israel, purposely killing civilians and destroying infrastructure to collectively punish all of Lebanon.
If Israel were purposely killing civilians the death toll would be well into the thousands by now.
To Hala
Nobody in Israel wants to make Lebanon surrender. This war is not with Lebanon though it is fought on Lebanon's soil. The Israeli purpose as stated by their officials time and time again is that Lebanon should take responsibility over its territory. Notice that a truce proposal has come from the UN. One that calls for an end to hostilities, disarming Hezbollah, releasing th prisoners and an international force. True it does not call fo an Israeli withdrawal (though it is implied at through the part dealing with the deployment of an international force and the LA in S Lebanon) and yet Lebanese politicians representing Hezbollah have declined! Apperantly it is still Hezbollah that is calling the shots and as long as that continues, there will be no end in sight.
lets presume HA will be completely destroyed. I wonder , what will be Lebanon future agenda?? . what will be change?
anytime in future u disagree with Isreal it will surround ur country by air and sea EXACTLY The way Isreal do it inside occupied territories. even if they decide to assassinate lebanon leaders by Apache helicopters they gana do it with no respect to Lebanon boarders and Lebanon can not do anything about it ... Israel never respected Lebanon boarders . why they invaded Blue line more than 11,000 times? what or who will give Lebanon the guarantee that isreal will respect the boarders in future ? UN ?? the same UN that under his watch Lebanese are dieing now , same UN that under his supervision Israeli has all the right to defend his self but Lebanese must die if claims his rights?
Taboon 3ala tool te3eeshon ta7t ra7met Isreal ?!?! that’s how u planning to govern your country ?!
Lebanese are dieing inequality ..they fight unequally and they will receive peace unequally .
As “ Beri ” Said today … why US and France dismissed Lebanon government plan ?!?! wala 7araam teghbalon beli yaboon likom .
PS: im here to dialogue with Lebanese, i don’t want any Israelis to reply to my comment. If i want to dialogue with isrealies i will go an ISeralian blog.
john
in last 3 weeks i read enough of Isrealies opinon and what ive noticed was that they argument is cycle argument , based on fact that i truly dont aknwoladge , so i find it much better to save thier time and mine
barroon
what if we stopped arguing about why and what.. you are right.. 100% - we have exhausted all arguments
what if instead we started discussing how and when we were going to change matters..
lets dream out loud of the world we would like to share
wishing us all a peaceful monday
lirun
telaviv
www.emspeace.blogspot.com
i wish i could finally eat a lebanese meal actually in lebanon
ps.. ziadm - you sound like a good thinker..
george - if we sign a genuine peace agreement - i dont care if it says that i am a retarded monkey.. as long as you treat me with respect and have peace with me you can believe anything you like about me
;)
ok that comment didnt work right
what i meant to say is that you can believe that you ruled israel since 48 - if it makes you have peace with me..
i care less whats in your mind and more about whats in your heart
does that make sense?
Zidam
Please forgive my interfere. ..As a viewer to " hevar el vatani" in Lebanon, i think if Isreal didn’t jump in between as guardian for resolution 1559, HB was going to reach an agreement with other parties to become a wing in Lebanon army. it was going to be a long process BUT once again as a viewer i was optimistic that HB was going down that road . ..Even now, I still believe HB don’t mind it and that’s why they agreed on " siniora" plan
Lirun
maybe if Isreal take care of the problem inside Israel ( Palestinians). then no one in lebanon/iran/syria ..etc can bring out a conflict in their name to surface..and isreal and EVERYONE will be blessed by a FAIR peace . PEACE for everyone
nobody can say current conflict have nothing to do with long term violence in occupied territories.
when u treat ppl with respect and dignity they will react like humans,. when u treat humans like animals they go back to their basic instincts.
I don’t know what Tv chanels you tune to , but what I was seeing this morning was showing Sick old man suffering and dieing in “ rafah” security point b`cuz he was in Isreal security list .
Well I know.. what im writing is not much relevant to what u said and ur comment.. but maybe it help u understand that in our side unconscionably and automatically our mind link to that kind of pictures. ( im not Palestinian )
Zidam
if you see my earlier comment and question.. i believe what will secure Lebanon is a strong army .
lebanon has so many friends around the Glob what it needs beside friends is strong military.
its sad for every one ( pepole who don’t understand the Israel right to defending it self the like it do ) to see Lebanon destroy brutally by US bombs
on english.ajazeera.com they have a commentator Sheikha Sajida, to whome peolpe write to ask questions, and then people post comments - usually expresing their hatred towards Jews and Israel, now that one is realy funny:
Sheikha Sajida, Please give your cooment The secret underground chambers of Ibis-stan The Jews who are the blood thirsty race are the masters of the occult since the time when the Almighty send prophet Moosa to guide this damned race. Ever since this monsters were planted in oocupied Palestine by the deceitful British imperialists, they have used force with black magic rituals to destroy the rightful owners of Palestine Their are almost 10,000 Palestine prisnors among whom are woman and children. There are 400 women and 200 children prisoners in the jails of this cowardly race who are masters of witchcraft and who use it fully in their diabolical demonic rituals by slaughtering innocent Palestiniens in their secret underground chambers which is directly controlled by their kabbalist rabbis. Prisnors who are not accounted by these ly regime means they have been slaughtered at the alter of the satan. Their are four such under groung chambers.
Hassani Bakari from Kenya
So mote it be, Sullivan.
tears for lebanon
totally with you..
difference in view is the bliss of free society - even though what stands behind those views may sometimes be a painful reality..
i share your wishes wholeheartedly and pray for a day where we shall be free to safely disagree about absoluetly everything.. knowing that our family and friends are safe..
i am profoundly encouraged by the growing number of people that are voicing their desire for peace
lirun
telaviv
www.emspeace.blogspot.com
is has to happen
lebnese liona
unfortunately that way i read your comment.. we should wait till we're all dead before we start discussing peace..
sounds like a plan with some serious flaws..
i disagree with you
i believe that standing behind your country and supporting your people is consistent with seeking peace..
if you decide that anyone who engages in war has to dictate your wishes.. then your dreams are only as strong as those who seek war
Lebnese liona,
What is your definition of "my people"?
I, as an Israeli, don't view hilltop settlers for example as "my people" - eventhough they're Israeli's like I am. I against bringing hurt and hardship to others (not being Israeli's) and denying their right to exist on their land (something hilltop settlers are doing).
Maybe it's easier to view "my people" if one hasn't been in civil war for many years, but I can assure you, that I view everybody carrying the same values as I do, no matter what their nationality of religion, more "my people" than those committing crimes because they accidently have the same nationality as I do or same religion.
Tse.
liona
i dont except that.. im just saying i think supporting your people is about supporting their peace..
i dont think subscribing to conspiracy theories and accusing peopla of seeking your destruction has anything to do with supporting your people..
propaganda is not support
wishing for peace on all of us
lirun
telaviv
www.emspeace.blogspot.com
A Lebanese speaks up:
http://www.video.exposetheleft.net/video/brigitte-gabriel.wmv
Of course she's lying, a traitor, an Israeli agent, and whatever will be or has been made of her.
But she's not alone. There are hundreds of thousands Lebanese like her, most outside Lebanon (for a reason....!), but also the silent, hijacked majority inside Lebanon.
The basis of optimism is sheer terror.
Oscar Wilde
To GeorgeBest
For once I agree with yuo. Hezbollah fought when nobody else would: Not the Israelis, not the Lebanese, not the Syrians, not the Iranians... Do you know the term "scapegoat"?
Perhaps if Hezbollah did not fight as well instead of dragging Lebanon and Israel to war we would not be in this mess.
To Lebanese Liona
Maybe Hezbollah is the spirit of Lebanon as you claim (though I know enough Lebanese who claim otherwise)... if that is the case, then Israel and Lebanon are bound to be in war with each other, and considering the "Balance of Terror" (Nasrallah's words of threat to Israel) that now exists between the two countries, I am afraid that all that will be left of Lebanon at the end of this is the spirit... Please don't let it happen. I like Lebanon as it was in the past 6 years: on the way to properity
EdoRiver, I owe you a reaction.
You wrote: “But, Bottom line: YOu are telling Lebanon to do something that I think is like telling a man who has been sick all his life, first one ailment, then another, if one part of him became healthy, another part was getting a worse disease..This condition is the condition I understand as your version of Lebanon.”
Your medical metaphor is without rhyme or reason. But since you want to approach Lebanon’s problem in a medical way, I’m game.
The basic premise of Good Medicine is to (as a patient) have the stamina and willpower to get better. If you give up and rely on others, doctors, or medication alone, the chances are pretty slim you will get better.
I’ve had plenty of friends who fought their cancers and won, just by fighting it, and not just relying on doctors or chemotherapy alone
My solution about how to get Lebanon out of this quagmire is pure logic, simple and straightforward: stand up for your rights and DO NOT just blame others for your misery and shortcomings!!!
You Lebanese took some positive action earlier with your Cedar revolution against the Syrian occupying forces. They left, though left behind their secret service agents and their proxy assassins, Hizbollah.
Now it’s the time (it’s NEVER too late) to pick up your banners again, raise your voices and get Hizbollah out. No excuses with democratically elected party, social services, schools, education, and whatever else came up depicting these murderers as people-loving, peaceful, tolerant, kind human beings. BULLS*T!!. All their so-called poor people support is part of their (read: Iran’s and Syria’s) scheme to hijack poor citizens (mainly Shia) who have been neglected by you Lebanese in general, especially those that “came back to rebuild Lebanon”, and became overnight either a billionaire or a target for assassination.
You are being misused by Iran whose only agenda is to first kill all Jews, then all Sunni (whom they actually hate most – see Iraq), then come the Christians, and eventually all other non-Shia. They will have a tough time with the Hindus and Buddhists, mainly because of their sheer numbers. It’s not me that’s saying this, they say so themselves, over and over again.
We all have one common enemy: the fanatic Shia from Iran, South Lebanon and South Iraq.
A final remark about your concerns what Israel has done to help Lebanon? Maybe not always so obvious, but we took in a substantial number of refugees (which were immediately labeled as traitors by the Lebanese, because they chose to live instead of being executed by Amal or Hizbollah). Besides that, we treated (and even today) quite a number of Lebanese patients, from the wounded to transplant patients, orthopedic implants, and heart and brain surgeries. Not to mention the training we gave to Lebanese doctors and scientists in our University Hospitals (all in secret, of course, otherwise they would be labeled “traitor” as well). Then in construction, telecommunications, setting up manufacturing plants (textiles, some medical devices and disposables), yes, all in secret again. I myself was involved, as many other Israelis, all in secret, all with passports of countries where we or one of our parents were born. That’s how we have to operate, help in secret. To prevent being kidnapped or executed on the spot. But it happens.
Not in Iran, where we offered many, many times to help with our medical teams after devastating earthquakes. Iran’s answer? “We rather commit collective suicide than accept anything from the Zionist pigs.”
Those are your friends, those are the people that infiltrated your country, and if you don’t anything against it they will RULE Lebanon.
But we, Israel, won’t let that happen. We will NOT tolerate these murderers at our Northern border, preparing themselves to do what they time again and again claim to be their biggest wish: “Wipe Israel off the map.” If you will let it happen and do nothing against it, sorry, but we won’t, no matter the price. Simply because we have no choice.
Hala:
"OK tell me why do they still have prisonners?"
Hmm . . . you mean guys like Samir Quntar, who bravely killed a four year old girl by smashing her head against a rock with the butt of his rifle? In the 1970s?
Yeah, why should Israel keep a guy like that in prison? I mean, come on - he only killed an Israeli child. It's not like he's a criminal or something. After all, the Israeli child had no business living there in the first place . . .
"why do they still have shebaa when in is clearly not israeli ( whetehr it is lebanese or syrians ....but it is not yours)"
Hmm . . . because the Syrians aren't particularly interested in making peace with Israel, which means Israel has no obligation to return captured land to them? Yep, that's it. I like these, they're easy . . .
"why do your aircrafts fly above our skies non-stop ??"
Ooh, another easy one. Lets see - there's this group called Hezbollah, k? And they, like, have weapons, which they are totally pointing at Israel. And they have this wacky leader, goes by the name Nasrallah, who tends to say things like "we will destroy Israel." Oh, and they get their weapons from Syria and Iran, who also have wacky leaders who say things like "Israel should be destroyed." And these Hezbollah guys, they're, like, along the border with Israel. And every so often, they'll shoot rockets at Israel, or attack an Israeli patrol on the Israeli side of the border.
Wait, what was the question again? Oh yeah - you know, you're right. I can't think of any reason at all the IDF would need to make reconnaissance flights over Lebanon at all . . .
"if you care about the lebanese goverment dont' you think this is against it??"
Israel would prefer not to have had to do this. But as much as it cared about a stable lebanese government, it cares more about its own citizens, and the ever increasing threat posed by Hezbollah.
Any more questions that you need someone to provide you with too-obvious answers for? Because I'm around . . .
GeorgeBest
You are obviously not Lebanese if you support Hezbollah. You are clearly an Iranian or a Syrian, pretending to be Lebanese.
(see how easy it is to make your idiotic argument - "the only true Lebanese are the ones that agree with me". Well, GB, if the only true Lebanese are the ones who support Hezbollah, if Hezbollah is Lebanon, as you seem to suggest, then Israel is entirely justified in bombing the hell out of Lebanon. But I don't expect you to actually use logic, so I can't blame you for not seeing that)
I for one would love to see this war expanded to Syria and more so to Iran. It is Iran's war to begin with, why should they stay safe? Iran is willing to fight to the last Arab, why do you let them?
I believe oil plays a big part in US policy too. I would not mind trading cheap oil prices for less terrorist support, especially as pertains to Iran, terrorist central. Iraq would benefit, Israel would benefit, Europe would benefit, and Lebanon would benefit, at least in the long run. Short term would see a global recession or even depression but we would work our way out of it. High prices would greatly increase alternative sources of energy that would mean less money for the Islamists like hala in the future. Blockade Iran. That would put a big hurt on the country, maybe enough for the people to rise up and throw out the mullahs.
Lebnese Liona
"if every time some resistance stands up to zionists and the BUSH VERSION OF DEMOCARACY AND WE CALL THAT TERRORISM THEN I AM A TERRORIST AND MY COUNTRY IS A COUNTRY THAT HARBORS TERRORISM!!!"
Then quit crying when bombs land on your dumb ass.
"I HOPE NOTHING BUT TOTAL WAR ON THE MIDDLE EAST . LET THIS END ONLY AND ONLY WHEN THERE IS A CLEAR WINNER."
That is the problem. Israel could just bomb you to oblivion instead of doing it’s best to protect civilians and non military infrastructure. You can only have peace when the other side is destroyed. Israel isn’t quite ready to do this and I don’t want them to but it would solve the problem. If Lebanon could control its terrorist then this wouldn’t be happening but those like you make me think that scenario is unlikely.
Great rebuttal liona, lol!
Glad you enjoyed it :)
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Good morning to everyone ,peace , sala'am and shalom to you.
First of all , I'm really sorry for any citizen of Lebanon , which was killed in last conflict and hope , that the ceasefire will come soon.
Dear Liona , i would like to comment your post At 4:54 AM, Lebnese Liona said...
>Guys our country is being demolished by isreal.
-And why does it happen ? don't we have other troubles , than bombing a "friendly" country ?
>Even the isreali's admit that they would enforce what Bush asks for because he gives them weapons!!!
-Of course we depend on USA , how would you survive , being a nation of 6 mln. in a sea of hostile Arab regimes ? But Bush didn't ask us to start the war. Also his support is not unlimited.
>Let me just list of few THINGS for you:
IS nassralah working with iran and syria to get weapons training etc..?
YES OFCOURSE HE IS. I would do the same thing if i was him, i went to lebanon last year for the first time in over 13 yrs. I went to the border with isreal in the south and watched as the isreali's were trying to manipulate hb at the border by flying there planes over head and helicopters and running their tanks to the border trying to get hb to engage them. I dont know what you call that but forget about shebaa farms for a moment , to me if my country's airspace is broken day in and day out, I CONSIDER THAT OCCUPATION!!.
- If Lebanese army would control its southern border , there will be no need to penetrate it with Air Force. We don't penetrate Egyptian and Jordanian airspace.
>THE US GAVE LEBANESE ARMY 100 MILLION DOLLARS FOR EQUIPMENT, DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH A YEAR WE GIVE ISREAL OUT OF MY TAX MONEY
OVER 2 BILLION!!!
- Sorry , but there are reasons for that. We are in conflict with Syria , Hamas , etc. I say HAMAS on purpose , because de-jure we signed temporary peace agreements with Palestinian Autonomy and nobody cancelled it. The only reason for Lebanese army to have weapons is to take control over its territory.
>Its clear that the US does not want a strong lebanese army.
A strong lebanese army means no HB , NO HB means no conflit in the middle east with isreal ....
-E v e r y citizen of Israel wants a strong Lebanese army which will control its territory.
>Let me take you back to 1982 , the invasion of lebanon, thats when HB was founded.
Do you think it was founded by the coward syrians? or was it founded by iran at the time?
NO NO NO , It was founded by the lebanese for the lebanese to resist the occupation.
- Of course Iran took part in foundation of Hizballa.
>nassrallah working with syrai and iran is just a natural way for him to get money , weapons and training thats all!!!!
-NO ! Nasrallah is an Iranian agent . For him Lebanon means nothing , only a platform to spread Iranian ideas.
>I ask all of you s lebanese, most of you lived through the civil war, and we all remember the terrible crimes committed by all the militias at the time. ALL OF THEM SHIITES( AMAL), CHRISTIAN( KATEB, OUWET), DRUZZ, SUNNI. ALL OF THEM COMMITTED CRIMES.
CAN ANY OF YOU TELL ME HOW THE CRIMES THAT HB COMMITTED TO FELLOW LEBANESE SINCE ITS BEEN FOUNDED.
- I will answer shortly. Only the damage from the last conflict , which HA caused , overpasses the severity of crimes made in Tal-az-Zaatar, Damour , Carantina combined . The second biggest crime is being a Syrian agent and defender of Syrian interests in Lebanon. By the way , who opposed the cedar revolution last year ?
>MY DEAR FRIENDS, I AM NOT PRO HB, BUT BASED ON FACTS ON THE GROUND, THIS WAR IS NOT ABOUT 2 KIDNAPPED SOLDIERS THIS WAR IS ABOUT MUCH MUCH MUCH MORE.......
- Of course. We want to eliminate HA as a military force once and for all. And why there is a support for us in the world ? NOBODY wants a precedent of a "state within a state".
>WE ARE ALL FOR PEACE BUT RIGHT NOW OUR COUNRTY NEEDS US , SHIITE, SUNNI , DRUZ, CHRISTIAN MARONITE, CATHELICS, ALL.....
WE NEED TO UNITE FOR THE SAKE OF OUR COUNRTY AND SAVE OUR DEBATES FOR LATER.
- Please , dear citizens of Lebanon , unite and drive out the scum from your country.
>PLS PLS PLS JOIN ME AND SHOW THE WORLD THAT THE LEBANESE SPIRIT WILL NOT BE BROKEN.....
- People from Lebanon survived Persia , Roma , Byzantium , Caliphs , Ottomans , French. They will survive Hizballa , syrian and "palestinian" squatters and its masters from Syria and Iran too.
4:54 AM
And one day we shall be good neighbours. Remember , in years 1949-1969 there wasn't a single shot .The trouble became when the govt. of Lebanon allowed PLO to get in.
with the best regards,
emil.jakubowicz@gmail.com
Jerusalem,Israel
This isn't my business but why can't Lebanon be a soverign, independent nation that governs itself an guards its borders?
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