Hassan Nasrallah just gave his speech to Lebanon. I didn't catch most of it, but I did catch the following: "those who think that they can talk about Hizballah's weapons now are mistaken."
Of course, the man cannot simply be expected to state otherwise. At this point in time, so soon after the battle, the combatants cannot but insist on claiming victory. Yet in my humble opinion, if the Israelis cannot justifiably claim a victory, neither can Lebanon (or even Hizballah for that matter).
It is true that Hizballah survived this onslaught, and in so doing, was able to achieve an unprecedented feat. However, it failed to accomplish anything else, and nomatter how much better it prepared for this war, could not have accomplished more.
On that note, I have a message I wish to convey to Nasrallah (and I think I speak for the majority of Lebanese when I say this): ENOUGH!
You are not my leader. You have just been handed your "epic battle" with the Israelis and you could not have wished for a better outcome. Of course, the price WE ALL had to pay for that "victory" of yours was astronomical. Your insistence on keeping your weapons and stubbornly tagging the Syrian-Iranian foreign policy line has brought our country to the brink of oblivion. ENOUGH, Nasrallah. ENOUGH.
The Israelis are now taking their Prime Minister to task for his folly. It would be a BIG shame if the Lebanese (including your own constituents, Mr. Nasrallah) do not take you to task. Did you really pose a deterrence to Israel? Could they have inflicted any more damage to the country? Were you the one who prevented them from doing so? Were your arms worth the price all of us paid? Can Lebanon continue like this? Will Lebanon be able to get back on its feet if you do not alter your own course? And finaly, can you and your organization, Mr. Nasrallah, really survive without Lebanon?
At the end of the day, you are the Shi'a Za'im. But that is all you are: a Shi'a Za'im. You do not Lead Lebanon. You cannot ever lead Lebanon. You are one among equals in a country defined by plurality. And if the majority of your political counterparts agree to a path that differs from the path you choose, Mr. Nasrallah (however divine you may think you, or your path is), you must accept the decision of the majority.
Lebanon, today, is at a very clear juncture, Nasrallah. You either "retire" your military component while it is at the "top," leave a solid legacy behind, and save Lebanon in the process. Or, you persist in your obstinate ways, and drag all of the country into oblivion. Starting today, the real battle for Lebanon's survival begins.
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Well said, Raja.
I'll add my voice to yours in saying "Enough!"
i heard on TV
Nasrallah said: he will pay the
house-rents for one year
to the people
who lost their houses
He has money to act...
to be popular..
Worst of all, he said that the Lebanese politicians should know now that they are talking now to victors!
ENOUGH!!!!!!!!
I add my voice to yours Raja.
In 2005, we saw a ray of hope, and we follow it with everything we can. In 2006, this ray of hope was assassinated. I can't even talk anymore..... I'm loosing my faith in a true Lebanon......
May God have mercy on our beloved Lebanon...if it exists anymore.....
ENOUGH...who would even hear it????
timesonline.co.uk:
Lebanon's 'real' soldiers are put in their place
From Daniel McGrory in Beirut
TODAY was supposed to be the day when the much maligned army of Lebanon took control of its borders and policed the UN ceasefire.
Instead, its military commanders were left humiliated and its troops stranded as Hezbollah told them not to try to disarm its fighters.
In Beirut, Western diplomats said that it raised serious concerns about the army’s ability and appetite to deal with Hezbollah. The Lebanese Government was left struggling to maintain a united front after unanimously backing the UN resolution on Saturday.
Sami Haddad, the Economics Minister, said: “The Government can’t force Hezbollah to abide by the ceasefire. It’s unnatural to have an armed political party that is in Cabinet and does not abide by what the Government of Lebanon wants.”
Nabih Berri, the Speaker of parliament and the Shia politician best placed to negotiate with Hezbollah, asked for 48 hours to broker a deal."
Hope you guys can do what you need to do.
Dear Nasrallah,
How DARE you claim victory over Israel, after you left a country in decimation, with over 20 billion dollar in damages, over 1000 dead, almost a million displaced, lives shattered, a rhythm disrupted, dreams broken, and hopes destroyed, when just a month ago it was the opposite.
Go to hell.
bye
Raja,
Well said. Nasrallah's speech comes across as hubris but I hope the old adage "pride comes before a fall" is true.
Let the voice of moderation speak
By HRH Prince Hassan bin Talal
The writer, brother of the late King Hussein of Jordan, is president of the Arab Thought Forum.
Al Ghaddab writes:
Nasrallah-as a Lebanese "Zaim" who speaks for a large segment in Lebanese society-has every right to speak for himself and his constituency. He has his own ideas about what constitutes a united, strong and able government, just as others do, including yourself. He never said he spoke for all of you. I am sure you do not want him to speak for you or Raja.
On the contrary. When Nasrallah declared war on another country, by sending his cronies across the blue line, not only did he claim to speak for ALL Lebanese, but he also ACTED with no regard for the rest of us who, as you claim, he does not represent.
You cannot have a Zaim, as you call him, claiming to represent only his constituents, yet being the only armed faction in town, and having the power of starting a war on my behalf, or anyone else's behalf. That is not how democracies work. So spare me the thinkly veiled democracy talk.
ghaddab,
Fair enough. But I would put forth the argument that prior to 7/12, our "dialogue" was a failure. Sure, we were talking about it, but Nasrallah and his goons were not talking back. You need 2 parties to meet halfway if you want to have a discussion about something. That was not the case. What we saw was the other Lebanese factions trying to compromise with HA, and HA simply refusing to give even an inch. The reason they could afford to do that? They were the only ones armed. Which is why I maintain that it was not really a "discussion", but more of one party dictating to the other.
Now, I'm hoping things have changed enough that we (Lebanese) can actually deal with HA without being walked on like a doormat.
I don't want to see any more snipping than you do. But I'm also tired of turning the proverbial other cheek for Hassan Nassralah and his cronies to slap around. If he's STILL not willing to REALLY dialogue with the rest of us Lebanese, it's gonna have to come to blows eventually....
The promise of "weapons with great capabilities" proved false a very long time ago! I believe Nasrallah has become a hero to the very desperate in the Middle East and has proved to be a completely imcompitent fool to the sensible in the Middle East. (and around the world)
Al-ghadab writes:
Internal strife in Lebanon will not solve anything other than destroy us once and for all. I don't believe any Lebanese will go down that route again. We paid too dear a price already.
Whatever happens, I hope we are all that much smarter than that..
You know, a month ago, I was saying the exact same thing. Now, I'm not so sure.
For starters, I don't think the alternative is much better for Lebanon. An armed Hezballah (as we saw for the past month) results in the exact same end result: Destruction.
And next time it won't be "restrained".
Secondly, you say no Lebanese is willing to go down that path. I'm afraid Nasrallah begs to differ with you. He's already gone down that path and continues to do so.
Last, I don't really see an upcoming conflict as civil strife in the same manner as 1976-1990.
I see it more as a HA against the rest of the world. The parameters are a bit different. I think most of the anti-HA Lebanese are united this time, and have the legitimacy of the state behind them.
Having said that, you're right. I don't want to see another civil war. And I know that having one will destroy Lebanon once and for all.
I'm simply stating that the "appeasment" of HA is gonna result in the exact same outcome, in my opinion. In other words, it's not a "lesser of 2 evils" (which is what the Lebanese have been thinking since 2000).
Asad said that if they wouldn't succeed to free Golan through peace talks, they would be liberated by siryan force. Now thats a grate chance for Israel to give golan for peace, even against american will, including shabaa. That would brake Iranian link to HA, and bring peace to siryan and lebanese border (of course after exchange of prisoners, and maps to lebanon). This way Asad would look very dignified to his people (rais bashar - you remined me of nazer !!!), and that's wat he wants (IMHO).
sherri, you are a Nazi.
"Hizbullah was born as a resistance group, a resistance group to Israel's occupation of and aggression against Lebanon."
Israel did not commit aggression against Lebanon, it acted in SELF-DEFENCE.
"Presently, Israel still occupies Lebanon."
Again, out of SELF-DEFENCE. You don't want Israel to defend itself because you are a Nazi that rejoices in Israeli deaths.
"And I see no signs they have given up their pattern of aggression in Lebanon."
You see no signs because you are blinded by your anti-Jewish hatred, which you were indoctrinated with as a child. A form of child abuse.
"They also continue to control air and sea access into Lebanon."
Yes, that was part of their defensive war against the Hizbullah Nazis which you support.
"There remains reasons for Hizbullah to stay armed and remain in their role as a Resistance group in Lebanon."
No, there's no reason for Nazis to exist on your territory except to provoke wars with Israel.
"In addition, there are unresolved issues involoving Israel's occupation of Sheeba Farms"
That WAS Syrian territory, not Lebanese. Israel withdrew to the internationally recognized border in 2000. You're just playing Nazi games.
"and Prisoners being held by Israel."
MURDERERS being held by Israel. Why do you care about a child-murderer? Is it because he killed a Jewish child, so he's a hero in your book? More of your Nazism showing.
"I do not believe Hizbullah is responsible for starting the present conflict, either."
That's because you're wilfully blind because you see the world through your Nazi glasses.
"Prior to Hizbullah kidnapping soldiers on July 12, there had been kidnapping of individuals within Lebanon by Israel."
Israel has a right to defend itself from Nazis. Nazis have no right to engage in acts of war against Israel.
"Both sides had been involved in other kidnapping activities in the past 6 years and none of those prior events had triggered a war."
So? This was the straw that broke the camel's back. Israel withdrew in 2000, as the US requested, in order to give "peace a chance". It didn't get peace, it got war. In hindsight, it shouldn't have withdrawn in 2000.
"Israel was responsible for the killing of the over 1000 innocent civilians in Lebanon, who they threw US bombs on."
No, Hizbullah is responsible for those deaths, because it hid amongst civilians, using them as human shields, like the cowards they are.
"In the occupation that began in 1982, Israel massacred over 20,000 people in Lebanon, most of them civilians."
Israel doesn't target civilians. If civilians are ACCIDENTALLY killed by Israel, you should learn a lesson of not provoking Israel in the first place.
"Israel is currently under investigation by the United Nations for the war crimes they committed against the childen and other innocent civilians of Lebanon in this 7th invasion of Lebanon."
Being under investigation doesn't mean guilt. It is quite proper to investigate to make sure that war crimes are not committed. It is good to have checks and balances. Now what do you say about the 3000 war crimes that Hizbullah committed, deliberately trying to kill as many Jewish civilians as they could? Oh, they don't count right? They're only filthy Jews.
"Hizbullah may not be able to prevent an eigth massacre by Israel"
They have the ability to provoke it though.
"but they do not have to just sit back and die."
They don't need to sit back and die, they need to get civilian jobs instead of terrorist roles.
"They have a right to fight back."
They're not fighting "back", they are INITIATING HOSTILITIES. It wasn't meant to be like this. Part of the agreement of the Israelis pulling out in 2000 was that the Lebanese armed forces would be the ones patrolling the southern border. Lebanon violated that agreement, and is responsible for the consequences.
Your society will never advance while ever you refuse to engage in self-criticism. You will just be hate-mongering Nazis, blaming the Jews for everything, and getting nowhere. The Israelis are part of the free world. There's no reason why Lebanon can't be ALLIED with Israel. Israel protected Jordan from Syrian invasion, and could protect Lebanon from Syrian invasion too. If only you weren't such a bunch of hate-mongering Nazis spewing propaganda.
me, you live in the Arab fantasy world where Hizbullah managed to kick out Israel and is the only thing stopping Israel from reconquering your country. Reality is that Israel can EASILY conquer the WHOLE of Lebanon if it wants to. Hizbullah is just a minor obstacle. If you want peace, disarm Hizbullah. If you want war, that's fine too. We'll let Israel finish the job this time. The only thing you nutcases understand is force.
Well said, Raja. With this war (and that very nice speech) Nasrallah has exposed himself as the alien stooge that he is. Even more important is that the failings of his weapons to fend off Israeli attacks and avert the destruction of Lebanese infrastructure exposes his weapons for what they are as well. That is, not a strategic deterrent at all. In fact, if Nasrallah's speech is any indication, the weapons were never intended to used as such; they were to be used to threaten the Lebanese government and people into quietly ceding the state to him. As such, Nasrallah is more like your typical Arab dicatator than he and his supporters want to think.
Some victory.
I am really glad to see so many arab voices against hizbolla. Wouldn't it be nice to imagine a Lebanon that is once again the melting pot of the middle east, with a strong economy and a free and cultured people?
The only way for this to happen is for Israel to grow some courage, and drive right through Lebanon (bypassing most of it) and directly into Syria. The US should seal the Syria/Iraq border to keep the scum from escaping into Iraq. Then the US needs to steamroll through Iran to the Afgan border.
Maybe THEN the people of Lebanon will show some courage and drive away the extremists. Sadly, too many in Lebanon play into the hands of the nutjobs, and blame everything on Israel and the US.
What you guys don't realize, in the US we have half the population, and almost all of the media convinced that lethal injection is cruel and painful punishment. We sadly lack the perspective to understand an enemy that gets off on beheadings, and to understand how arab people know better than to back the "nice" army, because if the evil army wins, particularly if it is a muslim army, the retribution will be gruesome.
If what you say is true, and in general, I tend to believe you, then the only solution is to kill so many people in lebanon and syria that the rest of the islamic freaks are jumping up and down eating ham sandwiches shouting "Let's get along!!!"
It is a joke to say that HB is fighting for their homes and families. Only a liar says it and only a fool believes it. HB likes to go around killing little jewish kids. Any man who can butt-stroke a toddler is criminally insane, and those of you who support these guys deserve to be killed with no mercy. It seems like in this world Muslims act like chanting barbarians, intent on destroying everything good in the world, while screaming about their rights. I guess we can blame ourselves for giving so much aid to Islamic animals, welfare in any form gives the recipient an overgrown sense of entitlement, and combined with a barbaric, egotistical religion, it makes for a bunch of animals that can only be curbed by mass killing. Which is what you guys like to do to others, so don't cry about my words, just know that not all westerners are soft, some of us know the deal, and one more good attack on us and the cowards in US culture will have to shut up and let the reast of us do what we must.
me, you do not live in reality, you live in the Arab fantasy world, where heroic Arabs never lose wars, no matter how badly they were beaten in reality. Just face it. You're a racist. There is a world war between racists and anti-racists. You are on the wrong side of that war. You will lose. Again.
tony.2.tone, "When HA emerge from this with their weapons in tact they have every right to take power in Lebanon as they are the one that sacrificed life and limb to protect this great country of ours."
They protected nothing. They brought great suffering to the Lebanese people by starting a war with Israel, and then cowardly using women and children as human shields. Nor do they have the right to seize power in Lebanon. Power in Lebanon belongs to the people, via democracy, not a bunch of Iranian-backed terrorists.
"While you Christians just sat on your asses and watched as your country was invaded"
No, they sat on their arses while Hizbullah invaded Israel. They should have instead used their army to disarm Hizbullah terrorists.
"and then come our of the shadows to snipe and complain about the increased power of HA"
HA's power hasn't increased.
"you Christians are pathetic."
You Nazis are pathetic.
"Damn you all to eternal hell, as you do not even have the backbone to pick up a gun and face down your invader"
They don't have the stupidity to initiate wars with a superior military power. Hell, they don't even have the desire to initiate wars with an INFERIOR military power, because they're not Nazis like you.
"instead you get down on your knees ready to polish the shoes of the Iraeli"
Israelis don't require anyone to polish their shoes. They just want to be able to live in peace. The Christians are smart enough to realise this. Because you're a Nazi who wants others to polish YOUR shoes, you assume your enemy feels the same way about you. You're wrong. Israel is not like you.
"murderers after they have just massacred entire villages if innocent women and children"
These are the human shields that the Hizbullah cowards hide behind.
"you pathetic cowards"
You're the pathetic coward for hiding behind women and children.
"and now you are extremely worried that HA may use their increased power from resisting for the homeland"
They're not resisting for the homeland, they are initiating conflicts which the homeland didn't want.
"by showing you Christians as what you trully are which is cowardly lap dogs of the Iraelis."
You're the cowardly lap dogs of the Iranians. The Christians are no-one's lap dogs. They want to live in freedom.
"Already in the past you did the dirty work of the Jews to protect them by forming a SLA army and torturing your onw country men at the behest of your jewish master."
The Jews were never masters. They wanted the people to be free, ie not slaves of anyone. It is YOU that seeks to enslave people. By the way, this is completely natural. You are a SUBJUGATOR. The free world consists of NON-SUBJUGATORS and ANTI-SUBJUGATORS. There is currently a world war between subjugators and anti-subjugator, with the non-subjugators remaining neutral. You are on the wrong side of this war. You will lose.
I pledge allegiance to use my brain to fight subjugation of my species - do you?
"Ah but thats right you were defeated by the very organization that you know are snipping it, talk about sour grapes, just dont forget that the day you were defeated is now regarded as one of the most important in the history oF lebanon which just goes to show that all Lebanon was against you and celebrated when you lost, haha."
Not all of Lebanon celebrated terrorists taking over territory that was MEANT to have been taken over by the Lebanese Army. The Israelis only withdrew because of an American request, and the promise that the Lebanese Army would take over. As usual you play dirty dishonest games.
"Lastly you dare threaten a civil war if HA takes advantage of its increased power after the sacrifices for their homeland"
HA isn't sacrificing FOR the homeland it is SACRIFICING THE HOMELAND.
"this time it will be different, you will have noone to save your sorry asses when you are going to lose"
I hope that the US will support the forces of freedom against the terrorists this time, as it is part of the wider war of rational, humanist anti-subjugators against dogmatic, non-humanist subjugators.
"finally Lebanon can be a united country without you traiterous Christians always trying to tear it apart"
Hopefully Lebanon will be a united country without Iranian-backed terrorists.
"at the behest of your masters in Israel and the West."
Israel and the West aren't masters of ANYONE. We seek to spread FREEDOM, not ENSLAVEMENT. You can't understand this because you're a subjugator, and assume we must be too. We're not. We're anti-subjugators.
"So bring it on people, bring on the civil war and we can finally do waht needed to be done 20 years ago. HA"
Don't worry, the ceasefire isn't likely to hold, and Israel will finish off the Hizbullah Nazis. And if Israel doesn't, then the US will, after Iraq has quietened down.
tony.2.tone, "I must say that you are a true living example of how brainwashed a person can get in these days and ages through the use of Israeli and American propaganda channels like Fox, etc."
You are too stupid to realise that it is YOU that has been brainwashed by your Nazi propaganda. It is the western media who present the facts, although they (except for Fox) present them from a left-wing perspective.
"Any fool like you who really believes that HA is using the people as human shields really needs to get their heads examined."
You're the one who needs to get your head examined. They are firing their weapons from civilian areas. When Israel responds, civilians are killed as well as the military target.
"HA is made up of Lebanese men (that is the locals of South Lebanon), thus the civillians getting killed are their wives and children, etc, so what your telling me is that every member of HA puts their own women and children in the way to protect themselves"
Well they normally fire from civilian areas that don't have their own relatives there, so that other civilians become "martyrs". HA have NO regard for human life, not even Lebanese life. Israel takes more care trying to spare the ENEMY civilians than HA does.
"HA have indeed protected the country from the murderous invaders"
No, the HA are the murderous invaders.
"only problem is that the Jews are such cowards that they rely on bombing from 30,000 feet, and there is no way to protect against that"
You shouldn't provoke a fight with someone with superior weapons to you. In fact, you shouldn't provoke a fight with anyone at all. You're too stupid to learn from your own mistakes.
"for crying out loud the country Lebanon has and will never be allowed to have a capable air defense system to protect itself from future threats."
The main threat to Lebanon's sovereignty is HA. You don't need air defence to protect against HA, you need ground troops.
"But the truth of the pudding was when Israel comitted ground forces to try and get the job done, and we all saw what happened didnt we?"
Yes, we saw the Israeli ground troops reach the Litani river. The HA weren't able to stop them. Only a premature ceasefire saved HA's arses.
"HA was able to limit an incursion by inflicting serious losses on the Israeli army."
HA did nothing of the sort. They didn't limit the incursion, the Israeli troops were able to reach the Litani.
"Where as the Jews went the other way and inflicted serious losses on innocent unprotected unarmed civillians."
Rubbish. They took out rocket launchers and other military targets.
"Irsael cherishes the soldiers so much that they claimed to have started this war as a way to get back the 2 captured Israeli soldiers"
It's more complicated than that. Abducting the soldiers was an ACT OF WAR by Hizbullah. The appropriate response to an ACT OF WAR is to DEFEAT THE ENEMY with overwhelming firepower. Israel was in the process of doing just that, but the Lebanese were crying to the international community for a ceasefire. Israel agreed to the ceasefire after the Lebanese government promised (again) to put its troops on the border. It's not likely to work. Israel will be allowed to finish the job when the ceasefire fails.
"yet in a matter of a month HA with its depleted and againg weaponry was able to stand up against you merkava tanks, helicopters, f-16s, artillery, night vision goggles and others top notch equipment, and inflict over 116 soldiers deaths, its an amazing feat I tell you."
"stand up to" means "defeated by". Just because they managed to kill some Israelis doesn't mean they had a victory.
"As for the Christians, they have been exposed as being the buttboys of the Jews"
As I already explained, the Jews don't have or need "buttboys". The Jews stand for rational, humanist, non-subjugating government. The Christians are smart enough to realise that this is a good thing. They are therefore NATURAL ALLIES. One is not the buttboy of the other.
"the Christians will not stand a chance against the rest of Lebanon"
It is the rest of Lebanon who doesn't support the HA.
"the Jews and Americans will not risk their own people to safeguard a section of the community that has a provem track record of being traitors"
That remains to be seen.
"Bring on the civil war I say, let end this once and for all, maybe you Jews will like to take in the Christians will they make their net miscalculation and are defeated?"
I'm not a Jew, I'm an anti-racist and anti-religious-bigot. I'm against racists and religious bigots like you, and I have superior firepower at my disposal. You will lose this war.
shittyzionz, "However Sayed Nassrallah is now –as opposed to what some people here say- the most popular person in the Arab world"
Yes, the Arab world is full of Nazis who applaud those who kill Jews, regardless of whether they are civilians or military.
"let alone Lebanon!"
I think most Lebanese resent having their economy destroyed because of the actions of a Nazi in their midst.
"The son of Jamal Abdulnasser, today stated that he's now remembering his father & his glorious days."
The fact that you think there is glory in war shows that you are a sick Nazi.
"Actors, singers & loads of artists (Christians & Muslims) are supporting our national resistance."
All Nazis who will be defeated.
"-We have an occupied land, so we're entitled to resist"
No you don't. Israel withdrew from Lebanon in 2000, on the condition that the Lebanese Army would be patrolling the southern border. Lebanon violated the agreement.
"- HA has proved to the world how strong its fighters are, so why cant we utilize that?"
No, it proved that it didn't just fail to protect the Lebanese, it actually used them as human shields.
"- Would it be fair to disarm HA after all what they did to us? They fought Israel, they died, the sacrificed everything"
No, they sacrificed Lebanon.
"they loved for us"
No, they didn't love you at all. They just hated on your behalf, and that hate brought repercussions.
"just like that, because the USA & Israel want to, we follow them like sheep?"
HA is required to disarm according to a UN Chapter 7 resolution. It's not just USA and Israel.
"- At this point, our enemies are America & Israel."
Why would a liberal democracy find an enemy in America and Israel instead of an ALLY? Most of the free world are ALLIES, or at least NEUTRAL. NATO is the best example of the free world being allied together. Lebanon should be trying to join NATO, not starting wars with Israel, another liberal democracy who should also be in NATO.
"we all know the 2 soldiers was merely an excuse to start a war on us."
No, the 2 soldiers were the straw that broke the camel's back. Israel can't sit still while an act of war is committed against it. Stop trying to blame the victim for responding.
"- HA fighters did really make me feel proud!! Humble weapons, small number of fighters, but yet they kicked the Israeli asses out."
No they didn't. Israel reached the Litani river in just 2 days. If Lebanon hadn't been crying for a ceasefire, the job would have been completed.
"Yes HA did defeat Israel once again, Israel failed to accomplish their goals of this war, so technically they lost!"
Their goal was to get HA away from their border and replace it with Lebanese Army troops. That is the condition of the ceasefire. If Lebanon goes back on its word (again), then the war will resume.
"- The majority of people that lost their lives, lives of their loved ones,their houses are supporters of HA."
So much for "innocent civilian victims".
"Shiaa Muslims, some sunni Muslims & a lot of Christians-including myself- support HA."
Then you are a criminally-insane Nazi.
"To all Israelis & pro Israelis , hahahah LOSERS boooohooo you got what you deserved"
Israel in no way lost this fight.
"wish it was worse for you but unfortunately it was worse on us"
Then how do you manage to claim victory, except in your fantasy world?
"but at the end we won Because we paid so dearly."
"paying dearly" is not "winning".
"I'm thrilled, I'm over the moon right now awww we won won we won wooohooo!!"
You are glorifying war like a true Nazi. The reason America has a HUGE alliance is because in the west we don't glorify war. We glorify freedom.
"Next time, try to make stronger tanks & warships for your sissies lol"
If you don't clean up HA, and Israel doesn't clean up HA, then the Anglophones will. After Iran and Syria have been dealt with.
What I find interesting is that most Western commentary I've read on this suggests that Lebanese are rallying behind HA instead of repudiating them. It's extremely difficult to tell what's going on over here.
Other than that the whole thing was completely insane bombing everything back to the stone age...
Syria is not a friend, neither is Iran. They will encourage us and the Gazaans to fight as long as they are not getting killed.
Sherri, "I am not Jewish."
No, you're an anti-Jewish racist.
"But I spent the past month watching on my television as I saw innocent civilians massacred by Israeli bombs"
What you saw was Hizbullah massacring innocent Israeli civilians, from civilian areas of Lebanon, and Israel responding by attacking those MILITARY TARGETS. But because you're a Nazi, you're blinded to the truth.
"supplied to Israel by my country, the United States."
Yes, the United States as a whole is anti-Nazi, thank God, even though it has Nazis like you in its midst.
"1000 innocent lives lost, 45% of them children."
All the fault of Hizbullah.
"I read an Amnesty International Report identifying war crime after war crime perpetrated by Israel on innnocent civilians in Lebanon."
Rubbish. Israel targetted legitimate military targets.
"Targeting civilians in their homes and in cars fleeing, targeting rescue personnel, targeting United Nations personnel, targeting civilian convoys, targeting infrastructure, destroying civilian targets, like whole neighborhoods and villages in the South, using cluster bombs on civilians, using vacuum bombs on civilians, using bunker busting bombs on civilians, using phosphorous on civilians."
Rubbish. They only deliberately targetted Hizbullah. If civilians are unfortunate enough to be in an area that Hizbullah has turned into a military target, then it is Hizbullah's fault, as any non-Nazi can see.
"Israel, you wonder why they hate you."
We know why they hate the Jews - it's because they are racist Nazis, just like you.
"You massacre their children. You destroy their homes, their livlihood, their cities, their countries."
No, Israel responded to an ACT OF WAR committed by a Nazi terrorist group.
"The world was watching."
Yes, and those with a brain saw Israel acting in self-defence.
"They will never forget your massacres of the innocent children of Lebanon. God was watching. He hears the cries of the dying children, too."
God sees Nazi terrorists attacking a liberal democracy and he doesn't like what he sees. And he supports the Nazis being defeated by the forces of the free world.
"Who was there to fight back as Lebanon's children were murdered?"
No, who was there to INITIATE HOSTILITIES?
"Only Hezbollah, lead by Nazarallah."
Only the Nazis.
"They fought, risking their lives for the children of Lebanon."
No, they fought, risking the children of Lebanon so that they could kill the children of Israel.
"They alone stood up against the Israeli aggression."
No, Israel stood up against Hizbullah aggression.
"Because a person criticizes Israel does not make them a Nazi."
Correct, you're a Nazi because you don't care about Jews being killed, you applaud it, and glorify those who do the killing. You don't think Israel has a right to defend itself, because it is full of Jewish filth.
"I criticize Israel because I have spent the past 30 days watching on my television and seeing picture after picture of Israel's aggression against civilians in Lebanon."
No, you've seen picture after picture of Hizbullah using civilians as human shields while Israel did its best to AVOID civilian casualties.
"Defending one's country does not justify killing innocent civilians."
They are not being deliberately killed. They are being killed because they are in the vicinity of a military target, which Hizbullah deliberately placed next to civilians for the purpose of propaganda, which Nazis like you lap up.
"Killing innocent civilians is inhumane."
Then your complaints should be directed at Hizbullah who deliberately target civilians.
"I view every person in this world as having a right to live, whether they are Jews Muslims, or Christians."
They have a right to live if they are not engaged in military aggression, and they have a right to not be used as human shields.
"Even if they are viewed as fanatical by Israel, they have a right to life."
Not when they pick up arms.
"And they should not have their homes destroyed and their children injured and killed by Israeli bombs."
Then stop placing military equipment in civilian areas.
me, "If you are so pissed off on the holocaust and the Nazis we didn’t do it"
You are TRYING to do it. This time the Jews are armed.
"your act proved you are the modern Nazis"
No, YOU are the modern Nazi, but you're too dishonest to admit it.
"and what you did in Palestine and Lebanon since 1948 till now is the biggest prove"
No, Israel is DEFENDING itself from the Nazis in "Palestine" and Lebanon. You're just pissed off because they are successful at defending themselves.
"you didn’t go to the Litani river on the ground they try to land from the choppers and that was way before the Litani river"
They went there both on ground and by air.
"I hope your army learn the free lessons in fights"
You clearly didn't learn anything at all. An army is meant to PROTECT civilians, not hide behind them. Your utter disregard for even your own citizens shows that you have sunk to the lowest depths of "humanity". You're no different from the German Nazis. You will lose this war. The forces of freedom will annihilate you.
dunes, thank you my friend and ALLY! You might like to check out my blog:
www.antisubjugator.blogspot.com
and also
www.moatazilla.org
me, "It is very easy to spare civilian and children life with the hi-tech war plain"
No it isn't. Not when the rocket launcher is right next to a civilian building, or on top of a civilian building. Responsibility for this cowardice lies with Hizbullah, according to the Geneva Convention. You just don't want Israel to win. That's the only reason you complain. You should spend your time complaining about Hizbullah launching from civilian areas. If you weren't an anti-Jewish racist.
If HB hides among civilians and attacks Israel or Israeli forces, it is not the responsibility of the Israelis to die rather than kill those civilians.
It is the responsibility of civilized people to resist HB, and when they are captured, THEY are the ones guilty of war crimes, for hiding among civilians.
If Israel shrinks from risking harm to the civilian human shields (many, if not most of them are voluntary), then they would encourage more of the same behavior. No Army should allow itself to be driven by cowards and peaceniks into impotence.
All this crying over how mean Israel and the US are, gimme a break.Muslims are the most barbaric people on the earth right now, and where they dominate their governments are the cruelest on the planet.
Muslim lives are cheapest to other muslims, deny that. No one uses and abuses muslims like other muslims. Who parades their dead? Who hides behind women and children? Who hides in Burkhas to kill? Who puts bombs on their children? Who uses their baby to conceal explosives?
As far as others holding you down, stop crying, you hypicrates. You have a term called dhimmitude, which means your enlightened religion approves of and even demands that you mistreat people of other religions. You muslims are very lucky that Christians don't treat you as you would treat us.
Beware a military man, well-financed and who greatly spends on the people.
Well Liona, I am not a jew. I just pay attention and noticed what a bunch of chanting, uneducated Koranimals most of you guys are.
PS You hate the jews because they proved in 48,67,70,73 etc how totally inferior arab/muslim men, goverments and armies are to the Israeli army. Your pathetic egos will not allow you to let go.
Regarding other countries hating us, it is easy. ENVY!!!!
Cowards hate the brave, the poor hate the rich, the lazy hate the strong.
When the Western media does it's best to make us look bad, of course we will lose popularity contests. But still, more people want to move here than to all other countries combined.
What Lebonese resistance?
With US, French and Israeli help, you got the Syrians out.
How did your resistance fare against HB?
Or is your resistance pointed against Israel? If you were resisting, you were pretty weak!!! And sadly, you are so filled with hate and stupidity, that you don't realize that you could easily have peace with Israel, if you were strong enough to stop HB from attacking it.
Arab pride is amazing, what have you done that is deserving of pride in the last 500 years?
shittyzionz, "you are such a funny Nazi!"
No, I'm an anti-Nazi. Your worldview is so screwed that you think black is white and white is black. That's why you never make any scientific advances. You don't live in reality.
"so the Arab world is full of Nazis?"
Yes, it's full of people who wish to see Jews exterminated.
"How blind was I, thank you for enlightening me!"
No problem.
"The Arabs were the ones that occupied a state, massacred its locals or just kicked them out."
Yes, the Arab states were the ones who systematically drove out the Jews, even though the Jews were citizens who had committed no crime.
"Arabs were the ones that fought almost all of their neighbours and defeated them all."
No, the Arabs TRIED to exterminate the Jews, but this time the Jews fought back.
"Arabs are the ones who have a state without borders?"
Yes, Lebanon just makes up that it owns the Shebba Farms when that territory was captured from Syria.
"Don’t you think that you missed out one fact? Shibaa farms & kafr Shoba are still occupied"
Israel is not occupying any Lebanese territory as recognized by the UN.
"so we're still entitled to resist!"
If the Israelis knew that you dishonest Lebanese were going to continue fighting because of Syrian territory, Israel would never have withdrawn in the first place. They agreed to withdraw to UN-recognized borders on the condition that the Lebanese army took over South Lebanon. You Nazis are just looking for any excuse to attack Israel.
"What agreement are you talking about?"
The one that saw Israel withdraw in 2000.
"Does Israel respect the UN resolutions?"
Yes, that's why it withdrew from Lebanese territory, despite having grave doubts about whether Lebanon would stick to its side of the bargain.
"How about the one that allows Palestinians to go back to their country?"
There is no Chapter 7 UN resolution demanding any such thing. There IS a chapter 7 resolution demanding that Hizbullah be disarmed.
"They did violate and they are still violating it."
There's still an ongoing territorial dispute with the Palestinians. This is no excuse for you to violate a Chapter 7 UN resolution and be a dishonest actor.
"Then again, its up to us to patrol or not patrol our army, that’s not your god damn business."
It is. That was the agreement for the Israelis leaving in 2000, and there is a UN Chapter 7 resolution confirming that Hizbullah must be disbanded. You're just a dishonest Nazi.
"We all know our armys abilities, we know that at any crazy moment, Israel will massacre them."
No, Israel doesn't do things like that. You just THINK Israel wants to do things like that because that's what YOU want to do to Israel, and you assume that Israel thinks the same as you. You're wrong. Israel is a liberal democracy. It doesn't wish to subjugate others. It wishes to spread rational, humanist, non-subjugating government, the same as the Anglophone countries do.
"All what theyd done was kidnapping 2 soldiers in a completely military action."
That is an act of war. A state has an OBLIGATION to respond to an act of war.
"The so called "victims" murdered 1100 people 90% were civilians"
They didn't MURDER anyone at all. They were attempting to destroy military targets, and HA had placed their military targets in civilian areas.
"HA on the other hand, killed 150 people 90% were soldiers!!"
HA *tried* to kill as many Israeli civilians as it could. Fortunately the Israeli civilians have bomb shelters to hide in.
"Our blood is not as valuable as bloody Israelis, eh?"
Your blood is not valuable to HA. That's why they use civilians as human shields.
"Amnesty International Report showed how terrorists, blood sucking Nazi murderers the Israeli government is."
Amnesty is a left-wing organization that sides with terrorists in an attempt to undermine right-wing democracies.
"However, we won because Israeli failed to accomplish their goals"
That's because Lebanon was crying for a ceasefire. HA would have been destroyed had the war been allowed to continue.
"our women & children were the favourite targets for the Nazis."
No, your women and children were human shields for your Nazis.
"Tell me who loves America –apart from Israel of course?"
Check out the LONG list of allies in Afghanistan, who are helping America respond to the 9/11 attacks.
"In Europe, the despise you"
You are confused. The anti-American rhetoric is just out of jealousy. They don't really hate America. They wouldn't pick up arms to oppose America. In actual fact they pick up arms to DEFEND America, and they have formed the huge NATO alliance.
"Australians think you are bunch of stupid war addicts"
I am Australian, BTW. And that's not what Australians think. At the time of the Iraq war, 57% of Australians were in favour of liberating Iraq, 36% were in favour of institutionalized rape. You can see the results at www.newspoll.com.au (search for Iraq).
"while south Americans hate your guts."
South Americans don't speak with one voice, and they certainly aren't taking up arms against America.
"Needless to talk about both Asian & African countries."
The Philippines even sent troops to Iraq. African countries aren't hostile to America.
"You can see how popular you are whenever you see your lame ass president visiting any country, residents of those country go to streets to protest."
You're confused again. Protestors make up a SMALL MINORITY of that country's population. They are meaningless, except to show that the country allows free protests. If you want to know what the people think, you need to take an opinion poll. And even then, in the field of GEOSTRATEGY, what matters is whether they are willing to take up arms against you. They're not. They're either ALLYING with America, or they're NEUTRAL. You Nazis have NO chance of winning this war. The free world is WAY too strong.
"All the free people around the world hate the American Imperialism & the Israeli terror."
America is not an imperialist country. You only think that it is, because YOU would be an imperialist if YOU had power, and you assume that everyone thinks the same way as you. Well you're wrong. Anglophone culture is different. We believe in LIBERATING people. Specifically the ideology that we are spreading is RATIONAL, HUMANIST, NON-SUBJUGATING government. We do have a problem with anti-Jewish racism in the free world, but once again, no-one is that racist that they're willing to take up arms against Israel. So Israel will win.
"What are you waiting for? Deal with Syria & Iran"
We're waiting for Iraq to quieten down so that the Anglophone troops will be available for the next liberation.
"it'd be interesting to see how they slaughter your bunch of sissies AKA troops"
You have no grasp of reality. Iran and Syria have no chance at all against the Anglophone forces. Especially since the Anglophones are only trying to end the subjugation of the people. We have anti-subjugator allies in both those countries who are waiting for an opportunity to be freed, and ready to take up arms to help us liberate them.
"you couldn’t beat HA"
We can beat HA. You sissies wanted a ceasefire. Israel and America weren't the ones asking for a ceasefire. I am unsure why Israel and the US agreed to a ceasefire. It was probably to give the Lebanese army a chance to govern its own territory.
"will you be able to beat stronger states with relatively more advance weapons than HA."
Yes. With Iran and Syria it is only necessary to defeat the fielded forces. And then the survivors of those fielded forces can be reused as the new army. Most will come across so long as they are paid. Iraq is unusual in that we were trying to construct a "model democracy" with western-style institutions, so it was necessary to disband the old military. We don't need to do that with all the remaining countries to be liberated. You have NO IDEA of the power you Nazis are up against. You have NO CHANCE of beating us anti-Nazis, so long as we keep right-wing governments in power.
Annasru Ata, "how free are u when ur president is the son of one of ur earlier ones."
Americans are totally free. They are not being subjugated. Bush was democratically elected, and is not a subjugator.
"its so obvious how come nomination time they all kiss jewish ass so they can become presidents."
Americans WANT to support the Israeli liberal democracy in the Middle East against the Nazis who surround it.
"to the others may God help u and ur US ass licking leaders."
This is where you're confused. Free people don't kiss US arse. Nor does the US WANT free people to kiss its arse. Free people NATURALLY ally with the US, because free people tend to stick together for mutual protection against subjugators.
"there will come a time when the US isnt the world's superpower"
That is why we need to de-Nazify the Middle East, as was done in Germany after WWII. We need to make sure that your children are being taught that all humans are equal and have human rights, instead of being taught that Jews are pigs. It's a big effort that is being slowly addressed.
"anymore nd i hope u will be treated with the same injustice and hate that uv inflicted on us."
You're the one who is full of hate and injustice. Israel is happy to let you live in peace. Do you realise that even if you had NO MILITARY AT ALL that Israel wouldn't invade you? Israel would PROTECT you from a dictator like Syria. All you need to do is ask. Israel protected Jordan from Syria too.
"oh and abt arab pride well what we did isnt for any arab leader(who aldo are the US's other poodles)"
The Arab leaders are not US poodles either. They just aren't HOSTILE.
"but for the repressed ppl."
The repressed people are the people of Lebanon who can't publicly say they are against Hizbullah because they will be assassinated.
"the only democratic countries in the Middle east are Lebanon and israel."
That's right. And because of that, the potential is there for Lebanon and Israel to be ALLIES. BTW, Iraq is also a democracy, and it is asking to join NATO.
"but getting us to become ignorant US policy servants"
No-one is asking you to become a servant of the US. We just want you to look after Lebanon's interests, and respect human rights. To have a rational, humanist, non-subjugating government.
ME, "can you define for us what is the meaning of freedom"
Freedom is living under a RATIONAL, HUMANIST and NON-SUBJUGATING government. You will need to look up "subjugate" in the dictionary. Here is the Arabic translation of "fight subjugation" - "mouharabeet al isti3bad".
"tapping the country phones, watching banks accounts"
A democratic government has an obligation to protect its citizens.
"people color is a problem"
No, as part of living under a HUMANIST government, the government can't discriminate against people based on their race or religion.
"news fixed to blind the people of America"
No, in the free world our media is free. Unlike the propaganda you get fed in the Middle East.
"fix elections by illegal voters, recount votes by cry baby lose"
Our elections are free and fair too.
"killing the children in the world"
The free world doesn't target children.
"Muslim religion belong to terrorist"
Yes, Islam promotes violence against non-Muslims. It is a Nazi religion. Read 33:50 in the Quran, which says you can have sex with your slaves! Do you think God wrote this crap?
"If this the freedom so the communist countries they are free countries"
No, communist countries are dogmatic instead of rational, non-humanist instead of humanist, and subjugators instead of non-subjugators or anti-subjugators.
"you are no different"
We are completely different. We are rational, humanist and anti-subjugation.
"Israel made the plan way before this war to practice how they going to hit Iran"
Yes, Iran is a dogmatic, non-humanist and subjugating government. It needs to be toppled.
"you are the real Nazis"
No, you are the Nazis. You teach your children to hate Jews, and you plot and plan about how you can wipe out the Jews. Just like Hitler. The only difference between you and Hitler is that you're currently too weak to carry out your genocidal plans. The free world learnt a lesson from WWII, and that is to defeat the enemy before he gets too strong. You will be defeated.
HA's capture of the Israeli soldiers was a tactical mistake .
Israel's reaction was criminal .
The patience,cohesion,solidarity of the Lebanese people are heart-warming and forbringers of hope .
The silence of the Lebanese army is understandable .
But why....why hasn't the overwhelming diaspora of the Lebanese abroad moved a finger...
why can't we go beyong the demonstrations and flock all as one , with whatever means , to the rescue of our beloved Cedars .
Why can't our proverbial resourcefulness , strength, humanity, financial wealth , courage ...express nothing more than words ?
Don't allow them to break our unity . Them who have construed this glum destiny for us ...for us all Semites . Jews and Arabs alike.
Never again should anyone tread over our sacred soil . Anyone .Never again allow them to humiliate us , massacre us . Whomever the invader .
Middle-East to the Middle-Eastern .
Lebanon to the Lebanese .
Raise our flag and our heads . Present the olive brach of peace , like noble victors . But always be ready for relentless war against our invaders . Look beyond to a united Middle-East, with a common history . The significant , timeless history of a single Semite creed . Friends of all nations , slaves to none .
Lebanese abroad : You are the only possible weight that can bring this neverending balance of horror to tip in favor of The Lebanon .
You are the only possible defenders of the Cedar .
Not in the friendly countries that shelter you , but in The Lebanon .
In the Era of communication , communicate . In this turning point in the history of our Fatherland , unite .
Now, or never .
We must all flock back to the Lebanon . Make our numerous , hybrid presence felt .We should 've done it as soon as Israel invaded . We can still do it for the future .
Hezbullah have made a mistake, but they're our people .
Israel have shown the ferocity of a blood-thirsty enemy , but they are as misfortunate and sad as we are .
Guardians of the Cedar , people of The Lebanon , flock from every corner of the earth, all , together, as brothers , in unshakeable unity .
Never again .
ME, "That’s why America went to Iraq instead they go to Afghanistan to get Ben Ladin because his real name was Sadam so you were subjugated from your president to fight the wrong person just for his own reason."
No, we live in the free world. We are not being subjugated by our leaders. We fought Saddam because we are anti-subjugators, just like most of the Iraqi people who also wanted to be free.
"That’s why your president since he started every Muslim in this world is terrorist and every Arab country is enemy"
No, he didn't say that. There are Arab Muslims in Iraq who are our ALLIES. It's because they are rational, humanist, anti-subjugators.
"Who was the reason for killing Iraqi children?"
Iraqi children were not targetted. That's just your Nazi propaganda.
"Who was behind the killing of Palestinian children?"
Again, Palestinian children are not being targetted. Your Nazi propaganda again.
PE:“Yes, Iran is a dogmatic, non-humanist and subjugating government. It needs to be toppled”
"After what HEZ did to Israel you afraid to fight them."
This is part of your Arab Parallel Universe, where you think that Anglophones are scared to fight the brave Muslims. This is why you keep losing wars. You keep misjudging us. Not even the left-wing are afraid to fight - they just think we shouldn't spread freedom to others. The right-wing believes in spreading freedom.
"we are the first religion on the earth who free slaves"
No, Mohammed used to start wars against innocent people and then capture them and turn them into slaves.
"in(sourat alahzab )in50 never says anything about slave word in it"
http://www.oneummah.net/quran/33.htm
033.050 O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee
"made lawful" means "can have sex with". "right hand possesses" means "slaves". You can have sex with your wives and your slaves. God did not write this crap. The only thing God would have said about slaves is RELEASE ALL SLAVES IMMEDIATELY and he would have said it in chapter 1 verse 1.
"your propagandas about our children and schools and what you did to our children it is the biggest prove you are the modern Nazis"
It's not propaganda. Propaganda is what you feed your children. Feeding them hatred of Jews. It is Nazi behaviour. You're just too dishonest to admit that you're a Nazi.
shittyzionz, "Arabs rightfully want their occupied lands back."
No, Arabs want to wipe Jews off the face of the earth. They are Nazis. They want to commit genocide against the Jews. You're just pissed off because Israel has stopped you from doing so.
"And then again there a lot of Jewish Arabs and they live in peace & harmony in Morocco, Egypt & even in Lebanon, they are our brothers that we love & respect."
There's only a handful of Jews left in Egypt. Most of them were forcefully expelled, even though they had done nothing wrong.
PE:"Yes, the Arab states were the ones who systematically drove out the Jews, even though the Jews were citizens who had committed no crime."
"Again I'm asking to prove that, when, where & how that happened?"
Egypt and Iraq AT LEAST. 70% of the population of Baghdad used to be Jewish. Now they're all gone. Same with the Egyptian Jews.
PE:" No, the Arabs TRIED to exterminate the Jews, but this time the Jews fought back".
"No it was America that fought the Arabs for its interests."
America defends the free world. Israel is part of the free world, the same as Taiwan. Our interests are to make sure the free world survives against Nazis and Communists and other non-rational, non-humanist subjugators.
"Thanks for admitting that Shebaa farms were CAPTURED from Syria (that's another issue between us & the Syrians) that means that Israel STOLE yet another land from the Arabs."
It is not stolen. If someone starts a war with you, and in the process of defending yourself you capture territory, that territory becomes yours. Israel has no obligation to give it back to the Syrian dictatorship. And you say "from the Arabs", rather than "from Syria", showing that what you care about is ARAB land. Because you're a RACIST. If anyone takes land from someone the same race as you, that's when you care. You don't care when Arabs are killing blacks in Darfur, or when Saddam was raping Iraqi women. Because those were crimes by Arabs, and you don't care about crimes by Arabs, because you're a racist. Well guess what? Anglophones are ANTI-RACISTS meaning we're going to have a war with you racists, and we will win.
"Syrians officials recognize the farms as a Lebanese territory"
No they don't. They refuse to demarcate their border with Lebanon.
"the history says so as well."
Lies, the maps show that that was Syrian territory.
"However, you have just mentioned that Israel is actually capturing an Arab land."
Yes, that's what happens when you start wars with people. You LOSE TERRITORY. Plus you are showing that you're a racist.
PE:"Israel would never have withdrawn in the first place"
"Actually, they were FORCED to leave our lands because of our glorious resistance & our people in the south."
This is why you keep losing wars. You believe your own propaganda. Israel was NOT forced by Hizbullah to leave South Lebanon. It only did so because America requested they leave.
"No body gave a damn, and when HA captured 2 Israeli bastards, the whole world was against us, bah. "
That was an ACT OF WAR by an organization that SHOULDN'T EVEN BE THERE according to Lebanon's commitments from the 2000 Israeli withdrawal and a Chapter 7 UN resolution.
"UN resolution number 146"
I looked it up. 146 deals with the Congo, not Israel. Try again. And like I said, Israel has NO CHAPTER 7 resolution against it.
PE:"There IS a chapter 7 resolution demanding that Hizbullah be disarmed."
"Lebanon didn’t accept that, thus it has no value."
Chapter 7 resolutions MUST BE OBEYED. You can't choose to not accept them. Lebanon is the ONLY country violating a chapter 7 resolution.
"a resolution produced by America & Israel?"
It was authorized by the UN Security Council, which is more than just America. You are NOT ALLOWED to violate this.
"Do you know many wars have Israel started on us?"
Yes, none. All the wars were started by Arab Nazis, trying to drive the Jews into the sea.
"In each & every war they were tying to spread "rational, humanist,libral democracy, non-subjugating government) ?"
No, they were trying to DEFEND a rational, humanist, non-subjugating government, ie Israel.
"why do people in the region hate Israel?"
Because they are racist, religiously-bigotted, subjugating Nazis.
"reliable sources like aljazeera"
Al Jazeera is a Nazi propaganda station. It's only because you're a Nazi that you think it is reliable.
"If you were trying to be objective, read from both sides."
I do read from both sides, especially via blogs. I know that the other side has Nazis that want to drive Jews into the sea, and there's the side of liberal democracy. I know what you Nazis think already.
"Yup, they have an obligation to destroy our infrastructure, airport, ambulances, schools, everything but HA."
They destroyed BOTH infrastructure that would enable HA to be resupplied AND HA. They stopped before they had finished the job, because you Nazis were crying for a ceasefire.
"The whole wide world have seen how the civilians were the favourite targets to the Israelis, we have not seen any katyuch missiles in the civilians areas that were targeted by the Israelis."
Lies. You believe your own Nazi propaganda.
"Moreover, if HA had targeted any of those shelters"
HA was just targetting Israeli civilian centres. It's weapons are not accurate enough to target individual bomb shelters.
"HA are using their mothers, wives, children,brothers, sisters, cousins..ect as human shields"
No, they're using other people's children as human shields.
PE:"That's because Lebanon was crying for a ceasefire. HA would have been destroyed had the war been allowed to continue."
"And since when Israel gives a damn about Lebanon crying?"
Good question. No-one knows for sure why America and Israel stopped the war short. They shouldn't have listened to the crying of the enemy. My guess is that America wants to finish off HA itself, after dealing with Iran and Syria, so that you don't get humiliated by Israel again. But no-one is sure. A lot of people on the right are complaining about the war stopping. I hope there was a geostrategic reason for doing so.
"BTW since day of the Israeli aggression"
It was Lebanese aggression. You Nazis are just sprouting your propaganda again.
"Lebanon & the whole world have been calling for a ceasefire, but Israel didn’t care!"
That's right. It was important to not let Lebanon get away with an act of war.
"But when Israel got hurt by HA katyuchas stone age weapons, add to that their failure to weaken HA, they decided to stop before they got more humiliated in front of the world."
Israel was not humiliated. You just believe your own propaganda.
PE:"You are confused. The anti-American rhetoric is just out of jealousy. They don't really hate America. They wouldn't pick up arms to oppose America."
"Jealousy of what? Democracy? Freedom? History? Culture? Education? They got all of that & more."
They are jealous that they're not the superpower. They're also jealous that America liberates others when it goes to war, while Europeans used to conquer when they went to war.
"I don’t recall when did NATO use its arms to defend America, please remind me."
After 9/11, European AWACS were sent to America to protect the skies, and NATO is in charge of the Afghanistan operation.
PE:"I am Australian, BTW"
You don't believe I am Australian? You just can't get your head around the fact that a member of the free world can NATURALLY defend another member of the free world, of his own free will.
"That's not that accurate, because these polls will cover a certain slice of people(1000or so)"
Yes, that's right. That's how you do opinion polls! That's how you find out what Australians really think. And they don't think what you said they thought.
"If that question was asked to the Arab Australians, the result would have been different."
Of course. We have racist Arabs in this country too. But that's a small percentage of the Australian population. I was telling you what the majority thought. And at the time of the Iraq war, a majority were in favour of the liberation. It's not like what you said.
"Iraq has a lot of fortunes ( water & oil) and the poor Philippines want to have a share bit of oil and stuff."
Not true. The Philippines went there because they are part of the free world, not because they were trying to steal oil from Iraq. You just can't understand why anyone would do something nice for another race. You assume that because YOU are a racist Arab, that Filipinos are presumably equally as racist as you. THEY'RE NOT. They believe in freedom for EVERYONE, regardless of their race.
"North Africa (Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Libya, Egypt, Sudan..ect) hate the USA & Israel"
Yes, the Arab Nazis are Arab Nazis.
"In London, around million people marched against the war in Iraq, so I wouldn’t call that minority"
That IS a minority. It's not even 2% of the population.
"plus Daily telegraph poll showed that 60% of the British people are against the American policy & don’t want their country to be involved in the American wars."
The polls varied. At the time of the war, a majority of the British were in favour of the war.
"We are strong, way much stronger than you!"
You're believing your own propaganda again.
"We are not afraid of death"
Then stop complaining when you inevitably die.
"when it comes to our honour"
This is another problem with you Nazis. Instead of having honour about running a wonderful liberal democracy, you derive honour from killing Jews. That's why your countries are so backwards.
"America gave Israel all the international prohibited weapons"
Israel is not using prohibited weapons.
"they couldn’t beat us, they destroyed our country but couldn’t beat our will & our resistance."
They could. That's why you were crying for a ceasefire, and said you would deploy your troops on the border, like you were supposed to do in 2000. The only mystery is why US & Israel agreed to it.
"If there would be another war in the ME, that'd be the end of the your so called free world, the Persian Gulf will turn red because of the blood of westerns"
You seriously underestimate the strength of the free world. It won't be our blood in the Persian Gulf, it will be your Nazi blood.
"read nostradamus prophecy, Israel & America names will be removed from the map"
This is part of the fantasy world you live in. We live in the real world.
"It's a terrorist & imperialist country."
America is not a terrorist country. It does not target innocent civilians. It is HA that does that. Just more of your Nazi propaganda.
"No, we just want our occupied lands"
You got your land back in 2000, but that wasn't enough to make you happy. That's because you Nazis want to drive the Jews into the sea, and you'll never be happy until that happens. Well guess what? We're going to de-Nazify your countries, in the same way that Germany was de-Nazified.
"our prisoners back"
You want a child murderer back? Why? Because he's a good Nazi, just like you.
"we want tobe left alone, no body should stick his nose nor interfere in our local issues."
You were being left alone. But you couldn't resist attacking Israel.
"In short, we want our country to be free, safe & most importantly "Arab""
See, you're a racist. You want your country to be ethnically pure. The Anglophones are not like that. We are anti-racist.
PE:"You have no grasp of reality. Iran and Syria have no chance at all against the Anglophone forces.
"It's the other way around darling."
It's only the other way around in the Arab fantasy world. That's why you keep losing wars in the real world. You believe your own propaganda.
PE:"We have anti-subjugator allies in both those countries who are waiting for an opportunity to be freed,"
"Yeah, just like the ones in Iraq at the beginning of the war. They were fighting the occupiers but since they had no leader, no good weapons they lost."
No, the Iraqi anti-subjugators were VOLUNTEERING in large numbers to join the new security services. They knew that America was bringing freedom instead of subjugation.
PE:"I am unsure why Israel and the US agreed to a ceasefire"
"Because they lost their war!"
No, this is just your fantasy propaganda. The real reason is unclear, and won't be known for some time. You are a fish on a hook.
PE:"With Iran and Syria it is only necessary to defeat the fielded forces"
"But now HA strategy worked quite well with us, they can use the same strategy& win, no problem with that."
Only in your fantasy world would a strategy like that work. We're trying to liberate the Iranian people, not subjugate them. The Iranian people are not Nazis. They do not support their Nazi government. Watch how easy it will be to liberate Iran. So long as we have the political will to do so, the military task will be straightforward.
PE:"Most will come across so long as they are paid"
"That shows how low you can sink"
There's nothing low about reusing the old security forces.
"don’t forget that these countries can also pay them, Iran to be particular, they are rich."
There will be no Iranian government to pay them. The whole point is to topple the government, reemploy the old security forces, then leave. It's simple. Iraq is only complicated because America wanted to create new security forces that aren't tainted by the crimes of the old one.
PE:"Iraq is unusual in that we were trying to construct a "model democracy" with western-style institutions,"
"And you tell me you people are not imperialist."
That's right. We're bringing people freedom - liberal democracy. There's nothing imperialist about it. There was something imperialist about Saddam's dictatorship, but you didn't give a damn about that, because he was a fellow Arab.
"It's not about what you want, it's about WHAT PEOPLE OF THESE COUNTRIES WANT."
Sure. That's why we gave them a democracy, to find out what they wanted.
"That why they are resisting the foreign occupiers."
Rubbish. The vast majority turned up to democratic elections, and there are far more people in the new security forces than there are insurgents.
PE:"You have NO CHANCE of beating us, so long as we keep right-wing governments in power"
"We already did TWICE in Lebanon"
Only in your fantasy world.
"Nazis!"
You are so dishonest that you don't even recognize that you are the Nazi.
"its so obvious that the USA & Israel are in decline."
No they're not. The economies of both countries are very strong, and their military is unbeatable.
"We wont be allies the Nazis not in a million years!"
Israel are not Nazis, they are a liberal democracy. It remains to be seen how many Lebanese are Nazis. If the majority of Lebanese become anti-Nazis, they will be able to form an alliance with Israel.
"HA never targeted children"
They targetted civilians.
"but Israel did."
Your Nazi lies again.
"We don’t teach them, they can see what you really are on TV."
Your TV propaganda is part of the diet of hate you teach your children. It is simply child abuse.
"On the other hand, have you seen that little cute Israeli girl signing on the missiles that'd be used against the Lebanese?"
The one that said "To Nasrallah with love"? Yes. Nasrallah is a Nazi who should be wiped out.
"we just want Israel to be wiped out"
At least that's honest. Don't complain when Israel disagrees and fights for its life to stay alive.
"because we want our lands"
It's not your land, it's Israeli land.
"Palestine"
There has never in history been a country called "Palestine".
"and our prisoners back."
Instead of demanding a child murder back from Israel, you should be demanding that Syria release its innocent Lebanese prisoners. But you're too much of a Nazi to think like that.
PE:"The free world learnt a lesson from WWII, and that is to defeat the enemy before he gets too strong. You will be defeated."
"You said it yourself, you don’t want us to be strong"
We don't want Nazis to be strong, that is true. But we're happy for a liberal democracy to emerge in Lebanon and Iraq and to be strong.
"& we are your enemy"
Nazis are our enemy, not the anti-Nazis who exist in both Lebanon and Iraq.
"so why should we love you?"
Do you believe that Jesus was a prophet? He said "love thy enemy". But I say "don't be racist". You should love Israel and USA because they are not racist, they are anti-racist. There's no reason for them to be your enemy.
"Why should we listen to what you are saying?"
Because we can live in peace if you stop being a racist. We can actually help defend you, as we like fellow anti-racists.
"Why should obey you?"
You want to be free to be a racist? Sorry, that caused Sept 11. We can no longer tolerate racists in our midst.
"If you try to invade our countries, you are the ones that will be defeated."
Only in your fantasy world.
As for your quotes from various Israelis, what is important is what GOVERNMENT POLICY is. And the Israeli government is rational, humanist and non-subjugating, so we love it. The government doesn't educate people to hate Arabs. Compare that to the Arab countries.
Sad in Lebanon.
Until the Arabs stop hating Israel, there will be no lasting peace in the Middle East.
shittyzionz,
PE:"No, Arabs want to wipe Jews off the face of the earth. They are Nazis. They want to commit genocide against the Jews. You're just pissed off because Israel has stopped you from doing so."
"That's what ISRAELIS want to do to us,you Nazi"
No, you're wrong. Israel doesn't want to commit genocide against the Arabs. You only THINK that because that's what YOU want to do, and you assume that Israelis are the same as you. Well they're not. Israel doesn't want to wipe ARABS off the planet, it would like to see an END TO RACISM, not an end to Arabs.
"that's why they keep on starting wars on us every now & again."
You're just sprouting Nazi propaganda again. It is the Arabs who started the wars with Israel.
PE:"There's only a handful of Jews left in Egypt. Most of them were forcefully expelled, even though they had done nothing wrong."
"That's a lie, Jews lived with us in peace & harmony, no on expelled them!!"
I did an internet search, and here is a document describing the "peace and harmony" that Jews experienced in Arab Nazi countries:
http://www.meforum.org/article/263
"Baghdad has always been the Islamic capital, just read some history, unless of course you are talking about 5000 years ago, I don’t think there had been any Arabs nor Muslims!"
Here's an article that says the population of Baghdad in WWI was 1/3 Jewish:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/iraqijews.html
It also details the "peace and harmony" that Jews experienced at the hands of Arab Nazis.
PE:"Our interests are to make sure the free world survives against Nazis and Communists and other non-rational, non-humanist subjugators."
"Good, why cant we see missiles fall on Israel & America then?"
Because Israel and America are rational, humanist, non-subjugating countries.
PE:"It is not stolen. If someone starts a war with you, and in the process of defending yourself you capture territory, that territory becomes yours."
"Typical Nazi logic!"
No, it's not Nazi logic. It is the well-known consequences of war. If you don't want to lose territory, then you SHOULDN'T START WARS!
"No said so, but at the same time, we also have no obligation to sign humiliation treaties with Israel."
There's nothing humiliating about signing a peace treaty with Israel. If you don't sign a peace treaty with them, you deserve to be bombed.
"What do you expect?"
What I expect is that your church teaches you that all humans are equal, regardless of race, religion, sex or nationality, and everyone's human rights should be respected. Therefore I expect you to care about Jews as much as Arabs.
"I'm an Arab lady & of course I care about Arabs."
No, you're a HUMAN lady, and you should care about HUMANS. It is RACIST to only care about those the same race as you. And you are thus on the wrong side of World War 4, which in part is a war against racists. We will win this war. The anti-racists are way too strong.
"I don’t stick my nose on other people business. We are minding our own business, so why don’t you do the same?"
Because we believe that ALL humans have human rights, and that human suffering ANYWHERE in the world is our business.
"LOL you are such a clown, what's going on in Darfur is a civil war, and then again the Arabs there are also black."
The Arabs are not the same race as the people being killed. It is pure racism that makes you not care about the people of Darfur.
"Though I suggest that you start a war in America & Israel because they are the racist Nazis."
No, that is your Orwellian world. You are too dishonest to admit that you're a racist Nazi.
"They do, just give the Shebaa farms & kefar shob to Lebanon & you will see."
No, the deal was that Israel withdrew to the UN-recognized border, and that Lebanon would deploy its troops. This was already done in 2000. And we did see what happened. Lebanon lied!
PE:"Lies, the maps show that that was Syrian territory."
"We are neigbours, you Nazi, and that land was occupied by Israel during its wars with Arabs."
So what if you're neighbours? The fact remains that the territory was won from Syria, in a defensive war. Lebanon has no claim to that territory. It is merely a dishonest excuse used by you Nazis to continue to justify keeping terrorists on Israel's border.
PE:"Yes, that's what happens when you start wars with people. You LOSE TERRITORY."
"No, when you don’t resist you lose territory."
No, it is like I said. If you start a war with someone, and you lose, then you lose territory. That's the way it has always been. The solution is to not start wars of aggression.
"LOL, you are lying to yourself, the whole world have seen Israelis losing, even the politics analysts in papers like Yadyoot Ahranoot (spelling) stated that Israel was humiliated twice, in 2000 & in 2006."
It doesn't matter a damn what a political analyst thinks. Reality is that Israel withdrew at America's request. I believe it was so that America could then pressure Syria to leave Lebanon. It couldn't do that while Israel was still in Lebanon. America was successful. Syria is now out of Lebanon. Now the technical task of removing Hizbullah remains.
PE:"That was an ACT OF WAR by an organization that SHOULDN'T EVEN BE THERE according to Lebanon's commitments from the 2000 Israeli withdrawal and a Chapter 7 UN resolution."
"That's a Lebanese matter, it's not anybody's business! We are a free country & we can do whatever we want."
No, you can't ignore a Chapter 7 UN resolution. One way or another, that resolution is going to be enforced.
"As for the 2 soldiers, well, that’s the only way to get our prisoners back."
No, Israel will not respond to blackmail, because it just encourages terrorists to do it again.
"Because our people didn’t accept it. Do you want us to obey that resolution that serves our Nazi enemies & drive our country to a civil war?"
Yes, you must obey that resolution and remove the Nazi Hizbullah from your country. The problem is that you don't recognize that you and the Hizbullah are the Nazis. You think others are. That's why you're not obeying the Chapter 7 resolution.
PE:"It was authorized by the UN Security Council, which is more than just America."
"It's controlled by America though,"
America doesn't control the UN Security Council.
"America didn’t give a damn about the UNSC and invaded Iraq against its will."
Not true. There was no UNSC decision to oppose America's liberation of Iraq.
"you know, America is our role model."
No, Saddam Hussein, another Nazi, is your role model. And you will be dealt with the same way he was.
PE:"Yes, none. All the wars were started by Arab Nazis, trying to drive the Jews into the sea."
"And the first war was in 1948, eh?"
Yes, the war of 1948 was an attempt to drive the Jews into the sea.
"And then again, we just want Israelis to go to where they came from."
The Israelis come from Israel. They have nowhere else to go except into the sea. You're not going to exterminate them. We will stop you. And if you keep trying, stop complaining when you lose territory and have your country destroyed and have people killed. That's what happens when you choose war instead of peace. Stop pretending to be the victim. You are the Nazi aggressors.
PE:"No, they were trying to DEFEND a rational, humanist, non-subjugating government, ie Israel."
"Read my previous post about the famous quotes of Israeli "humanist hahhaha) government."
Individual statements do not set government policy. The policy of the Israeli government is humanist. You have no right to attack a humanist government. If you do, don't complain when other humanists come to help them.
"When people rebels, they are right!"
When people commit acts of war, they deserve what they get.
"Just to show how ignorant &naïve you are, the majority of people want ISRAELIS out, not Jews."
Then don't complain if Israel nukes your country. If you don't want to accept Israel's existance, then Israel shouldn't have to accept yours.
PE:"They destroyed BOTH infrastructure that would enable HA to be resupplied"
"And failed miserably."
No, they cut off Hizbullah's resupply routes.
"But they did destroy my country, bloody bastards!!"
I thought you were proud of having your country destroyed? Arab pride.
"LOL they stopped because they lost you prat!"
No, they didn't. Israel has overwhelming force and was winning. No-one on the right-wing is sure what the underlying strategic reason was to call a premature ceasefire. We'll only know that years from now, when the war against the Nazis has been won.
"We've been crying for a ceasefire since day one of the terrorist's attacks, but they stopped because they lost a lot & accomplished nothing!"
They did accomplish something. They got Lebanese troops deployed in the south, like they were meant to be in 2000.
PE:"HA was just targetting Israeli civilian centres"
"They knew they were already deserted."
Rubbish. They successfully targetted and hit civilians.
"Israelis targeted our civilians, but HA didn’t!"
You are living in an Orwellian world. You claim that black is white and white is black. Israelis did NOT target civilians. HA DID.
"The Christ said (treat others like yourself want to be treated) but hey, who killed him again?"
Right. And if HA targets civilians, which it does, then you should expect Israel to respond with carpet-bombing of Lebanese civilians. But instead, Israel is following Christ's "love thy enemy" and is NOT responding in kind. If you weren't an Orwellian Nazi, you would understand how kind Israel is. Israel is the true Christians. You're the true Nazis.
"Moreover, why would the locals still love HA even though they are being used (as you said) as human shields?"
Because they're pea-brained Nazis. Israel values their lives more than they value their own!
"I'm gonna answer you, Israelis are murdering with cold blood women & children in the south"
No they're not. That's just your Nazi propaganda.
PE:"My guess is that America wants to finish off HA itself,"
"The question is, how?"
It is a straightforward technical task for our military to wipe out Hizbullah. You just don't understand the military might of the free world. You believe your own propaganda about your glorious guerillas. The real question is why we are letting you continue to believe this myth. It could be to embolden Iran to continue its nuclear program, so that we have an excuse to liberate it.
"They gave Israel the green light & all international prohibited weapons but still they failed."
They only failed because of the premature ceasefire. This is a military question.
PE:"after dealing with Iran and Syria,"
"I'm dying to see that day!!"
So am I. I'm dying to see the anti-subjugators in both of those countries become free. They are my ALLIES waiting to be freed. I don't like to see my allies enslaved.
"we won, because God is on our side because we are our fighting for our rights."
God is not on your side. And you're not fighting for your rights, you're fighting to drive the Jews into the sea.
"Just like they dead to Iraq, 100,000 Iraqi people died. Last month alone 3438 people died! Yes, that's liberation, I have no idea what are you liberating them from?"
They were liberated from being subjugated by a dogmatic, non-humanist government. They are now free. Yes, they're still paying a price for their freedom. Freedom is not free. But it's a once-off cost and then their children will have a wonderful country to live in.
PE:"NATO is in charge of the Afghanistan operation."
"Because Americans were crying for help as the troops were slaughtered by Taliban."
America was not crying. But America welcomes help from the rest of the free world. America does not stand alone. Also, America is soundly defeating the Taliban. And is successfully training the Afghan Army to take over the job of fighting the Taliban.
"That was prior to the war, I don’t think that people are supporting Iraq anymore especially with all the destructions."
Yes, support for the Iraq war dropped after it was found that there were large numbers (although not a majority) of ungrateful Iraqis.
"You are showing the world how racist you are by dissing Arab Australians."
I'm not saying all Arab Australians are racist. Just some of them are. The ones that support the Hizbullah Nazis.
PE:"Yes, the Arab Nazis are Arab Nazis."
"Again, whoever thinks differently is a Nazi."
No, the people who teach their children to hate Jews are Nazis.
"in fact normal & ordinary people prefer diplomatic solutions & boycotting countries that doesn’t respect human rights..ect"
We've had 12 years of sanctions on Iraq. 12 years of Saddam raping Iraqi women. Diplomacy failed. It was time for war.
PE:"Then stop complaining when you inevitably die"
"We are against double standards; we hate it when people disrespect our blood."
It is YOU that has the double standards. YOU don't respect Jewish blood. You don't even respect your own blood, allowing Hizbullah to use you as human shields. The Israelis care more about your blood than you do yourselves. You really are a very sick society.
"we derive honour from fighting for our rights & pride."
Where's the rights of the South Lebanese to protest against Hizbullah using them as human shields? If anyone protests against the Hizbullah they will be killed. You should fight for your rights by disarming Hizbullah and creating a NORMAL COUNTRY. And you shouldn't get "pride" from proving that you can kill Jews. You should get pride from showing that you DON'T kill Jews or anyone else.
PE:"That's why your countries are so backwards."
"Because our leaders are puppies for America & Israel"
No they're not. They're independent actors.
"if we had democracy, things would have been different."
In many Arab countries, democracy would mean even worse Nazis getting elected and wars and even more backwardness. If you want a modern country, you need to de-Nazify your population first.
PE:"Israel is not using prohibited weapons."
"cluster bombs on civilians, vacuum bombs on civilians, using bunker busting bombs on civilians, using phosphorous on civilians"
None of those weapons are prohibited. What is prohibited is DELIBERATELY TARGETTING CIVILIANS. Israel is not doing that. You just lied and said it was using prohibited weapons.
"not to forget landmines."
Not illegal either.
"Knowledge about civilians & still targeting them is a war crime."
Sure. That's why Hizbullah are war criminals.
"Let's wait & see! Nostradamus never ever had a misprophecy if that makes sense LOL."
You live in the fantasy world with Nostradamous. We live in the real world with science. That's why we keep winning all the time.
PE:"You got your land back in 2000"
"Not all of it."
Yes you did. Israel withdrew to UN-recognized borders.
PE:"We're going to de-Nazify your countries, in the same way that Germany was de-Nazified."
"No, we will denazify you"
We're not the ones who are Nazified. You are. We are humanists.
"& humiliate you."
You're a Nazi for wanting to humiliate others too.
"Just like what we did to Israel TWICE."
You don't understand warfare and geostrategy.
PE:"You want a child murderer back? Why?"
"He was a minor when he did that, and because his sister was raped by that Israeli."
Oh rubbish. You just made that up. He's a child killer, and you care about getting a child killer back, because you're a Nazi with a very screwed up brain.
"The majority of Israeli leaders are child murderers why are they free?"
No they're not. That's just your Nazi propaganda.
"LOL, what did you want me to say? I want my country to be American or Israeli?"
No, I want you to say that you want your country to be rational, humanist and non-subjugating. Rather than "Arab", as if all Arabs speak with one voice. You should be concentrating on the IDEOLOGY of your country, not the RACE of your country.
"What I meant with "Arab" was the identity of my country."
Your identity should be based on ideology, not race.
PE:"We are anti-racist."
"That’s why you hate Arabs."
We don't hate Arabs. That's why we are ALLIED with the anti-subjugator Arabs in Iraq. E.g. here is my best ALLY in the world, an Arab:
http://www.afreeiraqi.blogspot.com/
PE:"We're trying to liberate the Iranian people,"
"No you are trying to steal more oil, and you don’t want to have opposition."
No, you just think we're trying to steal oil because that's what YOU would do if YOU had power. We're not the same as you.
"However, Iranian people don’t like you, you only imagine that"
Iranian people don't speak with one voice. Some of them want to be liberated, some don't. We will be empowering the anti-subjugators.
"they chose a very religious & rebellious president to lead them"
The Iranians don't have a free choice. The Mullahs decide who can run for elections. The people have been boycotting the elections because they know they're a farce.
"and don’t forget they believe in martyrdom & will love to be martyrs, you will fulfill their dreams of fighting and winning or becoming martyrs."
This culture of death is one of the things that needs to be fixed in the War on Terror. You should value your own lives. As it is, we value your lives more than you do yourself. That's why we try not to kill you.
"just for your information, we loathe our leaders."
Then you should welcome it when the Anglophones come and bring you democracy.
PE:"Sure. That's why we gave them a democracy, to find out what they wanted."
"Even if that'd mean a new Iran?"
Iran is a religious dictatorship. What we've introduced into Iraq is not a religious dictatorship.
"The majority of Iraqis are Shiaa Muslims thus automatically they are allies with Iran"
They are not allied with Iran. In actual fact they want to join NATO.
"you don’t want that & that’s why you're trying to start a civil war there."
You're believing a conspiracy theory now. We're not trying to start a civil war. We want Iraq to be peaceful, so that we can leave and liberate Iran, then Syria, then Lebanon.
PE:"No they're not. The economies of both countries are very strong, and their military is unbeatable."
"HA did beat them both by beating the Israeli troops."
No they didn't. Only in your fantasy world.
PE:"Nasrallah is a Nazi who should be wiped out."
"He's a hero in our childrens eyes"
So was Adolf Hitler in the Nazi's eyes. We need to de-Nazify your children.
"so our children will hate yours & the hatred will be inherited by the next generation..ect"
Yes, we need to stop you from indoctrinating your children with hatred, a form of child abuse.
"And we have all seen that the missiles were pouring on our children!"
They were aimed at military targets.
"We received your childrens gifts, Sayed Nassrallah (bless him) didn’t"
His forces were degraded.
"by God willing he's the one who's gonna kick your filthy asses"
We're not filthy. You're the filthy Nazis.
"out of our lovely ME!"
The ME is not lovely. It is dysfunctional. It is full of Nazis.
PE:"There has never in history been a country called "Palestine"."
"That shows that you are a nazi zionist."
No it doesn't. It's just a statement of fact.
"Before 1948 where was Israel?"
Before 1948, Israel didn't exist, just Jews and Arabs existed in Britain. After 1948, a small bit of Britain was converted into a new country called "Israel". Similar to Pakistan being created from India.
"A former British colony named Palestine was given to the Jews by the lame ass Britain & its allies"
It was given to ALL the people living there, not just the Jews. It was not an ethnically-pure state.
"they occupied Palestine, massacred its locals or just kicked them out"
They didn't do either. It was the Arab countries who did that to the Jews. But because you're a Nazi, you don't care about what Arabs do to the Jews.
"and brought Jews from Europe &all around the world to live there"
Yes, it is designed to be a safe place for Jews.
"at the expense of Palestinians."
It wasn't at someone else's expense. The Palestinians were not kicked out, which is why 20% of the population of Israel is Arab.
"You said that Im racist because I called for an Arab country, then you gotta call Israel like racists because of all the massacres & expelling of the Arabs."
You are living in an Orwellian world. It was the Arabs who massacred and expelled the Jews, not the other way around. You're just spouting Nazi propaganda. You believe your own propaganda because you're full of hatred.
"Double standards again, eh? Then again, you are Australian as you claim, tell me what did you lot do to the locals when you arrived their lands?"
I didn't do anything to any Aborigine ever. Aborigines have equal rights in Australia. The same as Arabs in Israel have equal rights.
"same goes with the Americans, you all are invaders & occupiers & that's why you keep on supporting eachother."
No, we support each other because we are all rational, humanist, non-subjugating countries. We're not invaders and occupiers. We were born without sin. Guilt is not transferrable. You are a racist for trying to blame us for things we didn't do.
"I'm a Christian Lebanese, and I know the Christ doesn’t want us to be weak!"
Then you should know that Christ said "love thy enemy". Even as he died on the cross he said "forgive them father, they know not what they do". Do you think Jesus would be happy to see the Jew-hatred that comes out of your mouth? What are you doing to love your enemy, the Jews? Quite apart from the fact that they shouldn't be your enemy in the first place. BTW, read www.moatazilla.org .
PE:"Because we can live in peace if you stop being a racist."
"Good advice, but I'd like you to work with it first before you ask me to do so."
I'm already not a racist. In fact, I'm not just a non-racist, I'm an anti-racist. I actively try to destroy racists.
"Remember No Justice = No Peace"
To you, "justice" is when the Jews are driven into the sea. Given that you don't want peace, stop complaining when your country is destroyed. If Australia or America were your neighbour instead of Israel, you would have been nuked a long time ago. We would not put up with the crap that Israel puts up with.
"we wont stay still while others keep on fighting us for any stupid excuse, where are the free world?"
The free world is waiting for Lebanon to join it. But first you need to destroy the Nazis in your midst and stop making excuses to keep going to war with Israel, another member of the free world.
"All what I can see is a jungle where big animals eat small ones."
No, the big animal (America) is LIBERATING the small ones, like Iraq and Afghanistan. You're just too much of an anti-American racist that you can't see that America is a benevolent country.
"Where are the trials? Negotiations? Peaceful resolutions? Why on earth when you got the power, you abuse it?"
It is not us that is abusing power. It is the Arab dictators who are abusing power. We are slowly but surely stopping the abuse of power.
"Do you think I love to love that way? No! I want peace but that should be combined with pride,identity & justice."
No, you don't want peace. You glorify war. We don't glorify war which is one reason why we have so many allies. The continental Europeans trust the Anglophones.
"Im not racist!"
You ARE a racist. You only care about other Arabs. You don't care about crimes committed by Arabs against Jews.
"I never liked what happened on Sep.11, London & Madrid attacks, I'm against all of that sorts of terror! I'm against killing civilians, I even cry when I see dead children no matter where they came from"
Then you should cry when Hizbullah targets Israeli civilians.
"do you do the same mr free world?"
I don't even want terrorists to be killed! I am trying my best to make them see reason so that they stop suiciding against our invincible militaries.
PE:"The government doesn't educate people to hate Arabs. Compare that to the Arab countries."
"I have already posted some quotes from Israeli leaders, they didn’t seem as peaceful as you claim they are."
The GOVERNMENT POLICY, which is WHAT COUNTS, does NOT teach children to hate Arabs. It teaches children that all people are equal and have human rights. The Arab Nazis need to copy the Israeli example. We're not going to allow you to teach your children hatred any more.
"Our leaders on the other hand are afraid of their own shadows, they taught us to love you"
No they didn't. They taught you to hate Jews.
"but we couldn’t! because you didn’t love us nor cared about us."
It's not true. We do care about you. But even if we didn't, you should STILL care about us, because we are humans, and Jesus taught you to love, not hate. Why do you call yourself a Christian? You're not remotely following Jesus's example of loving your enemy. Why don't you just call yourself a Nazi instead? That would at least be honest.
ZHM_14, "So Paul, assuming you’re white (for effect only)"
My skin colour is irrelevant.
"all who don’t share the white-guilt of massacring white Jews"
There's no such white guilt. My country STOPPED the massacre of Jews. Jews should be grateful to US.
"in WWII in white Europe are Nazis."
No, Nazis are people who hate Jews and want to drive them into the sea.
"And those who do not support the state of Israel as they see it as a manifestation of European-Christian (WHITE) guilt imposed on BROWN desert dwelling, scimitar-swinging, barbarians are also Nazis."
Israel was not imposed on anyone. The same as Pakistan was not imposed on anyone. It was annexed from another country, in this case, Britain.
"Remind us who made marvelous atomic bomb?"
The free world.
"And who dropped it, not once but twice, mainly to keep another group of whites (Russians) in check?"
It was dropped to defeat the Japanese Nazis. It ended the war early, SAVING lives, and ending the horror of "comfort women".
"And Paul, who keeps pointing to them (include yourself here) to keep their “flexible” notions of freedom alive?"
We can defeat the Arab Nazis without needing to use nuclear weapons. We want as little bloodshed as possible. We are humanists.
"If a group of people want to live their religion"
E.g. the Aztecs doing virgin sacrifices? No thanks. Minorities have rights too, and governments shouldn't be able to carry out human rights abuses because they have a dogma that says they need to do so to keep the sun rising.
"by the very definition of freedom (which I will afford to you as an autonomy or self-determination of rational beings"
No, the definition of freedom is living under a rational, humanist, non-subjugating government. I spent a LOT of effort deriving this definition.
"They must be allowed to create their own definitions without our meddling in their internal affairs…and shoving our definitions down their throats."
Sorry, I'm not going to allow Saddam to rape Iraqi women, and then justify it according to 33:50 of the Koran which says you can have sex with your slaves. Slavery is not allowed. Rape is not allowed. Virgin sacrifice is not allowed.
"They must be allowed to have their own ‘revolutions.’"
It is not technically possible to overthrow a modern military. The Iraqis tried that in 1991 and 100,000 people (count them) died without achieving anything. The Iraqis have a right to have a "revolution" via their democratic vote. But that doesn't mean that they can vote to enslave the Sunni Arabs. Minorities have rights too.
"And Paul, don’t quote things haphazardly out of other people’s ‘holy’ books. I’m sure we can find bigger holes in yours…whichever or whatever ‘book’ that might be."
No you can't. My religion is scientifically-derived. The 3rd link of wwww.moatazilla.org . And there is no bigger hole than "you can have sex with your slaves". Regardless, NONE of the "holy" books are the word of God. They're all just dogmas.
"Paul: define dogmatic and self-righteous."
Look it up in a dictionary yourself.
"And then make a distinction between yourself and the people you wish to topple."
I am rational, they are dogmatic.
I am humanist, they are non-humanist.
I am an anti-subjugator, they are subjugators.
"Paul, since when did democracy become a religion?"
My religion is anti-subjugation. It is the religion/ideology held by 50% of the Anglophones. So long as we have the political will, the anti-subjugators will topple the remaining subjugators, bringing freedom to the people of the world.
truly lebanese, "I am extremely shocked and filled with disappointment at these very shameful comments that each one of you "Lebanese" people are posting."
Because they don't toe the Nazi line?
"Being a true Lebanese at heart and soul"
You're a true Nazi in heart and soul. Don't lump the rest of Lebanon with your Nazi agenda.
"how can you actually be against such a resistance that fought and resisted with all dignity to protect our country??"
Because it didn't "resist", it INITIATED HOSTILITIES. And there's nothing dignified about killing Israeli civilians. And it did nothing to protect Lebanon. Instead it set Lebanon back YEARS. All because you want a Nazi child-killer back.
"It is not a matter of whether Hizballah got us into a war or not"
On the contrary, that is EXACTLY the issue.
"it is a matter of living and living with dignity not living passively and ignorantly under the Israeli regime."
You weren't living under the Israeli regime. You had your own country, in UN-recognized borders. But that wasn't enough for Hizbullah. They had to start an unnecessary war. You're the one living ignorantly under the Hizbullah.
"Dont you think it was time for Lebanon to get all its land back??"
It got all its land back in 2000. That was the deal. Israel would retreat to UN-recognized borders, Lebanon would send its army to patrol the borders. Israel fulfilled its end of the bargain. Lebanon reneged on its.
"it is true that Shebaa was not reclaimed"
It's not yours to reclaim. That's just Nazi propaganda.
"but we still have to fight for our total independence"
To get your total independence you need to get rid of your Syrian-appointed president, and you need the Lebanese Army to have a monopoly on power, meaning that the rule of law is across all of Lebanon. People should no longer have to live in fear of Hizbullah.
"you might be sitting safe and sound in your home happy with your life"
They were before Hizbullah started this war.
"but there are still your other Lebanese brothers whose homes were long ago taken in shebaa"
They're not Lebanese. They're ex-Syrians. Stop it with the Nazi propaganda.
"your brothers who are almost going to rot in the Israeli prisons"
You consider child-murderers to be your "brothers"? If it were me, I would disown them.
"dont you think someone has to act....someone has to fight for these people"
No, I think that child murderers should rot in jail, and non-child-murderers should try to lead a normal life in PEACE.
"And the funny thing is if you actually look at the outcomes of this war....tell me who were the most people that actually died in this war...the Shia'a"
That's because the Hizbullah hides in Shia areas.
"who are the majority left homeless at this point....the shia'a"
Then maybe the Shia should stop supporting terrorists who give them nothing but misery?
"who are the people that lost their source of living from that small supermarket which got hit round the corner...the shia'a"
Yes, the terrorist supporters.
"and then again who comes and complains...the people of beirut and the north who were probably partying and sitting safe and sound"
There's nothing wrong with partying and wanting to be safe and live a peaceful life. You're just a Nazi who thinks that everyone should be goose-stepping the same way you do.
"who was the very first person to come and think about rebuilding the homes of these people...it was no other than Hassan Nasrallah"
The guy who is responsible for them being destroyed in the first place. With friends like that, who needs enemies?
"a man who is now under severe pressure from the whole world and from his own fellow Lebanese brothers"
Decent Lebanese don't consider Nasrallah to be a "brother". They consider him to be a Nazi who needs to be eliminated so that Lebanon can be a normal country again.
"a man who fought this war on his own"
Because he started it on his own.
"he has already gained the support of most of the arabs"
That's because most Arabs are Nazis. Nothing to be proud of. One day your children will be ashamed of you.
"as we are all so proud to finally have a brave, genuine and valiant leader among us"
You are glorifying a Nazi. Only a sick-minded person would do that.
"some of us may be against the actions of Hizballah, but when we come to facing such a barbaric enemy...these Zionists"
It is you and the Hizbullah who are the barbaric enemies. Israel is a liberal democracy.
"we should all stand in unity supporting one another."
You should stand in unity at wanting to live in a normal liberal democracy instead of having your country held hostage by a Nazi, starting wars that most Lebanese don't want.
"One of our major weapons is the media and internet...and we should not be reflecting an image of internal conflicts and disputes to the enemy"
Every group of people has a divided opinion. That is a sign of freedom. It is only Nazis like you who demand that everyone goose-step in synch. The free world supports the decent Lebanese who just want to live in peace.
"instead we should stand strong and tall supporting our martyrs who paid the price of this war with their blood."
No, you should go to war with the Hizbullah terrorists so that you can live in a decent country.
"Four: No.We will not stop attacking you."
At least that's honest. The next step is to admit that you're a Nazi.
"and please stop referring to israel as "our land"!!"
Israel belongs to the Israelis. If you don't let the Israelis live in peace, don't complain if they nuke you off the face of the earth.
"Five: your MIGHTY army has proven itself in battle when israeli elite soldiers are literally crying and running away."
Only in your fantasy world.
"In the end we are all Arabs"
Actually, we are all HUMANS. What divides us is that some of us are humanists, some of us are non-humanists and some of us are anti-non-humanists. America (anti-non-humanists) is waging a war against the non-humanists, such as Nazis like yourself.
"Arabs who have come to lose their dignity, land and identity throughout our struggle with Israel"
You lost your dignity by glorifying Nazis instead of supporting liberal democracy.
"I think the right think to be saying now is ISREAL: ENOUGH!!"
Israel was minding its own business when Hizbullah decided to commit an act of war. The original blog post is correct. The Lebanese have had enough of Hizbullah starting unnecessary wars. No-one is going to invest in Lebanon until there is a guarantee that Lebanon won't be starting any more wars with Israel.
ME, "In order to read and understand are holy book you need to know are culture"
I know about your culture. You have no empathy for strangers. You start wars with innocent people, then turn them into slaves, raping the women, then writing in the Quran that God says it is OK. It is a barbaric culture that you subscribe to. It needs to change.
"holy book written in the old Arabic language that’s why they should wrote the meaning of the word instead"
The link I gave you has the original Arabic. You can see for yourself that it says exactly what I said it does. I'll give it to you again.
http://www.oneummah.net/quran/33.htm
I have confirmed with native Arabic speakers that that is what it says.
"“Made lawful” it doesn’t mean you can have sex with them it means you can marry them"
NO IT DOESN'T. The full sentence is you can have sex with your WIVES and your SLAVES. It does not make sense to say "you can marry your wives". You're already married to your wives, by definition! And God would not even say "you can marry your slaves", he would have said ABOLISH SLAVERY IMMEDIATELY. That is the ONLY thing he would have said about slaves!
"because in are religion and all religion sex before marriage it is prohibited."
Not with your slaves it isn't. In fact, 4:24 says you can have sex with your slaves, even if they are already married!
"“right hand possesses” it don’t mean a slave"
Yes it does. Stop trying to weasel out of the facts.
"it mean who become a Muslim"
It means no such thing. You just made that up. Stop lying.
"that because in that days we don’t take a women prisoners"
Rubbish. That's EXACTLY what they did. They started wars with innocent people, captured innocent people, then turned innocent people into slaves. It was completely barbaric.
"specially in are profit time"
The "prophet" was responsible for incredible cruelty against innocent people.
Read this and wake up:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/call_to_muslims.htm
ME, "Every body wants Lebanese army to be the only power that defends Lebanon how!"
Guess what? Your country is too small to be able to defend against either an Israeli or Syrian attack. You should be trying to join NATO. You should be trying to have good relations with Israel. Israel will help defend you from Syria if you ask nicely. Israel could be your best friend.
"In 1982 after Israel accomplish their missions they didn’t leave and go back to Israel they stays"
They stayed because they couldn't get guarantees that someone would come in and replace them - someone who could guarantee that Israel wouldn't be attacked from Lebanese territory again.
"we had to push them out"
Guess what? It's only your Nazi propaganda that says you pushed Israel out. In actual fact Israel was easily able to hold that territory, and in light of the 4000 rocket attacks on Israel from there, it shouldn't have left in the first place. It only left because America asked it to leave.
"we lost a lots of friends and family fighting for Lebanon"
You weren't fighting for Lebanon. If you were fighting for Lebanon you would have gotten rid of the terrorists who caused Israel to enter Lebanon in the first place.
"Now because HEZ kick them ass"
Only in your fantasy world. That's why you keep losing wars. You don't use your brains. War is a SCIENCE.
shittyzionz, "Israel has been trying to commit genocide on us every now & again"
No it hasn't. That's just your Nazi propaganda. You think that because YOU want to commit genocide, that they must as well. Well you're wrong. The Jews are very different from you Nazis. If they wanted to commit genocide against you they would nuke Beirut. No-one would stop them.
"ever since it was formed at the expense of Palestinians"
It wasn't formed at anyone's expense. Britain just released some of its territory to create a whole lot of new countries, e.g. Jordan and Pakistan.
"( may I ask you where did they get the name "Palestinians" from? )"
It was a province of Britain.
"Lebanon was a former French colony, that doesn’t make it "France" you idiot!"
It was part of France before a new country called "Lebanon" was created.
"How could you call Palestine or "the land that was there before Israel was formed" Britain?"
It was part of Britain. There was never a country in history called "Palestine". This is a simple fact.
"Britain gave an Arab land"
It's not Arab land, it was HUMAN land. Stop being racist. Did Jesus teach you to be racist? You're no Christian. You give Christians a bad name.
"to the Jews – as they wanted to get rid of them- so they can form their state"
Britain wanted to exit its territory, and created a whole lot of new countries. Unfortunately most of those countries turned into cesspits as soon as Britain left. They no longer had rational, humanist, non-subjugating governments, they instead had cruel dictators. Except for Israel and India.
"( BTW, according to the Jews themselves, the state should extend from Nile to Euphrates)"
That's your Nazi lies again.
"which means they are planning to occupy more Arab lands."
No, just because YOU want to occupy Israel, you assume that Israel wants to do the same thing to you. You're wrong. All they want is to be left in peace. That's why they withdrew from the Sinai and Lebanon, to see if they would get peace. They got a very cold peace from Egypt, and they got terrorism from Lebanon.
"Back to the topic, during the formation of that evil state"
It's not an evil state. It is the Arab dictatorships that are evil. You are living in an Orwellian world where black is white and white is black.
"they tried to buy Arab lands, but not all the Arabs wanted to sell so the terrorist leaders committed so many massacres (Deer Yaseen) was the most famous one."
Yes, SOME Israelis committed terrorist acts. They were not supported in doing that by the Israeli government nor the Israeli people. Now for balance why don't you tell me all the terrorist acts and massacres committed by Arabs, against both Jews and other Arabs?
"The war begun between the locals & the Nazis"
The war began between the state of Israel and its Nazi Arab neighbours.
"some of the locals were expelled by force, some preferred to die in their land,millions of Palestinians were forced to leave to Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait"
No, that's your Nazi lies again. They weren't forced to leave by Israel, they were encouraged by the Nazi Arab states to leave so that the Nazi Arabs could more easily commit genocide against the Jews.
"ect and they still want to go back to their countries as they have no citizenship in the majority of these countries."
So much for compassion for your "Arab brothers". The fact is you don't care about the wellbeing of even Arabs, that's why you won't give them citizenship. You only care about creating hatred against the Jews. Compare that to Israel, which after the Jews in Arab countries REALLY WERE forcibly expelled, they were given citizenship of Israel.
"As for Jews in Baghdad, well that’s rubbish! Typical Nazi propaganda so they claim they have the rights to occupy Iraq as well."
It's not Nazi propganda, it's reality. There used to be Jews living in Iraq, now there aren't, they were forcibly expelled. I gave you the link already. And it's not so that they can occupy Iraq. Israel has no interest in occupying Iraq. That's just your Nazi propaganda.
"BTW Jews in Morocco always march in major protests against the state of Israel!"
Every race has idiots in it. But where are the brave Arabs who go against popular Nazi opinion and SUPPORT Israel? Ok, I admit that we have seen such brave Arabs come out on the blogosphere.
"they felt the need to control the oil resources"
That's just your conspiracy theory that has no bearing on reality.
"Dick Chini owns the very well known Halliburton"
No he doesn't. Just more of your fantasy.
"After the invasion of Iraq, nothings changed! People of Iraq are being killed in thousands every month & both women & men at prisons are being raped by the evil occupiers."
It has changed. Iraqis now have a democracy, and it is now ILLEGAL to rape Iraqi women, even if it is done by the "occupiers". The occupiers are NOT evil, it is the terrorists who are evil. Your Orwellian world again.
"All the countries signed a treaty that prevent the spread of landmines, all but America & Israel!"
That doesn't make the weapons illegal. Just admit it - YOU LIED in order to try to get your political agenda across. You have no shame. Did Jesus teach you to lie? And you forgot about Finland too.
"That shows how evil & terrorist these Nazi are."
No it doesn't. It shows that you are a Nazi sprouting Nazi propaganda from your Orwellian world.
"All the bombs I mentioned above are prohibited"
No they're not. That's just your Nazi lies.
"Let's pretend Israel missed its target,once,twice , 3 times if you insist, but not ALL THE TIMES. Stats never lie, 90% of the victims were civilians, while with HA only 10% were civilians."
As I have already explained to you, the deaths of Lebanese civilians are due to the fact that you Nazi terrorists used your own civilians as human shields, to help in your propaganda war. You have a very sick culture. You should be ashamed of yourself.
HA's targets were meanwhile DELIBERATELY aimed at non-combatants.
"That shows that you are a biased racist & stupid bloke."
No, you are the one who is biassed and racist. I'm an anti-racist, which is why I support an anti-racist government like Israel, against the Arab racists.
"Lebanese government should sue the Nazis and drag them to Lahai."
The Lebanese government should understand that the Nazis are Hizbullah and its supporters.
"As for my religion, well, I think I do follow the Christ example"
Ha ha ha! Jesus even loved his enemies. You deliberately hate people who aren't even your enemy. You deliberately MAKE enemies.
"I love children, I hate to see them dead, I wouldn’t target areas that are crowded with kids only because I suspect there might be "terrorists" hiding there."
On the contrary, you support Hizbullah which deliberately targets civilians even though there are NO military targets there. And you deliberately use children as human shields for propaganda purposes. You are a sick puppy.
"I don’t love wars & I don’t want to make wars on people because they think differently"
Yes you do.
"if they don’t love me, its bad for them as hatred kills the one who carries it."
You're the one consumed by hatred.
"I didn’t threat or terrorize others because I have the power."
You support those who threat and terrorize because they THINK they are powerful.
"The Christ was killed by the Jews"
Christ WAS a Jew! And he was killed by the Romans. Not that his race and the race of his killers matter - it was non-humanists killing a humanist. It has nothing to do with race, it has to do with IDEOLOGY.
"but yet he was the one who won!"
This is part of your fantasy world of who "wins".
"And by his power, we are going to win, the winning path is full of blood unfortunately."
If you followed Christ's example, you wouldn't be winning with blood, you would be turning the other cheek. Instead, you are INITIATING HOSTILITIES.
"You have also witnessed the 6 wars your (state of terror) started on us"
You really believe your own Nazi propaganda, don't you? Israel RESPONDED to terrorist attacks. We are going to put an end to you Nazis.
"HA wont be disarmed, so just leave us alone!"
The problem is that HA didn't leave Israel alone. And it doesn't leave the Lebanese people alone either. That's what terrorist organizations do. They terrorize.
"You just sit on your sofa and watch CNN or Fox news and the rubbish they are publishing"
You're the one sitting on your sofa watching the rubbish that Al Jazeera and Al Manar publish. It is all Nazi propaganda. It's no wonder your mind is polluted with Nazi thoughts.
"we already are suffering from the Israeli terrorist aggression!"
No, you are suffering because of HA terrorist aggression.
ME, "If kick ass it is not important why you and America trying to proof that you won the war"
Because if you live in a fantasy world where you keep winning wars, even though you lost them badly, then you will continue to start more wars, and the deterrence effect is lost.
"When HEZ attack you because they got the reason you kept prisoners for us you stayed in shiba farms (Syrian said it is us ,the people in there they know they are Lebanese they speak Lebanese and before Israel it was Lebanese)"
Lies, all lies. The territory was captured from Syria. Israel is not occupying any Lebanese territory, according to the UN. Syria doesn't say that the Shebba Farms is Lebanese, in fact they refuse to demarcate their border. Stop believing your own Nazi propaganda. It only causes wars. You don't want peace, you want war.
"and HEZ told you leaders if you don’t give us the rest of the prisoners and leave SHIBA FARM in peace I will take it in power"
Yes, Nazi terrorists make demands of the free world. The free world should never give in to terrorist demands, because it only encourages more terrorism.
"that in 2004 what happen before 2006 nothing even in new resolution 1701 it say leave SHIBA FARM and you still saying no it is Syrian"
Lies. 1701 doesn't say to leave Shebba Farms.
"I don’t know what language they have to tell the farms is Lebanese so that is another proof what are you looking for another war!"
You're the one looking for another war, and that is exactly what you will get. And you will lose again.
"Who killed HARIRI your MOSSAD"
More of your Nazi lies. Have you no shame at all?
szhm_14, "Second, Paul: remind me again of the details behind the creation of the state of Israel as your parallel to the creation of Pakistan are superficial, at best."
No, they are very similar. The Jews wanted a safe place for Jews, so Britain gave them a very small chunk of its territory. The Muslims in India also wanted a separate homeland, so Pakistan was created.
"huge numbers of Jews ILLEGALLY began migrating"
So? That is part of Britain's history. It has no relevance to modern day Israel, which is a rational, humanist, non-subjugating government.
"Third, “Nazi” to you is an umbrella term. Please explain the term as you wish to use it"
Warmongers who wish to subjugate/commit genocide against others in order to demonstrate how strong their "tribe" is.
"Fourth, you simply dismissed my requests for a definition of dogmatic and self-righteous. Why?"
I told you to look them up yourself. www.dictionary.com
"So your ‘religion’ is humanistic rationality, huh. I have yet to see the nexus of your rationality in your arguments."
My arguments are based on science and logic, not dogma. I am a rationalist.
"Are you the new “imam” or “sheik” of your brand of rationality?"
Yes. Read www.moatazilla.org .
"And women appear to be a touchy subject to you."
The rape of women should be EVERYONE's concern. A better question you should ask yourself is why YOU turned a blind eye to
Saddam's INSTITUTIONALIZED RAPE of Iraqi women, and why you give a free pass to Mohammed who did the same thing to his poor slaves.
"Was your father abusive to your mother, Paul?"
Can't you argue based on logic insead of trying to find ad hominem ways to attack me?
"Was that your turning point to ‘humanistic rationality?’"
It's more usually called secular humanism. But I have spent my whole life trying to explain what was in my religion (as an atheist) that made me want to PROTECT women, while other men (usually religious) wanted to RAPE women.
"For the woman the pain is unimaginable, I hear."
I intend to stop people from hurting women, by spreading rational, humanist, non-subjugating government.
"So long as women CHOOSE to define their own existence in terms of their dependency on men, and at the cost of a basic identity and a basic will to autonomy, such ‘atrocities’ will continue."
No, they will stop when the free world liberates them.
"Why don’t you let them fight their own battles…"
Because that means letting my allies, the anti-subjugators, the humanists, suffer. I intend to go in and bat on their behalf.
"About the Koranic injunction of “sex with slaves:” are you reading it as RAPE OF SLAVES? Is that where the problem is?"
Yes, slavery is wrong, and having sex with slaves is statutory rape.
"You know, there are other injunctions that advocate beating women also."
Yes, that's right. The Quran is a dogma espousing non-humanist behaviour. It needs to be stopped.
"Of course minorities have rights, Paul. They have yet to be seen here in the States"
Rubbish. In the US, minorities have full human rights.
"you sound just like my president (who sounds just like the rags heads in ME) who has reduced everything in existence to a binary; of black/white, good/evil"
The rape of women, as was happening in Iraq, is binary. It was indeed a fight between good and evil.
"People with your characteristics invented the notion of collateral damage, no?"
That is part of the fight for freedom. It is better to have some innocents ACCIDENTALLY killed than turn a blind eye to a holocaust as was happening in Saddam's Iraq.
"But when the ‘tables were turned’ on 9/11, and continue to be turned asymmetrically, it was/is pure evil, huh?"
That was a deliberate attack on civilians by Nazis.
"To contain the asymmetrical element, people just like you gave the world the idea of a pre-emptive strike, no?"
Yes, we need to root out the sick Nazi ideology that pervades the Middle East. Otherwise the free world won't be safe.
"chunks of this planet are transformed into Dresden and Nagasaki…with the weapons of the free world, of course."
We're trying to defeat the enemy ideology with the least bloodshed possible.
"Are you still going to refrain from offering a definition of Dogmatic and Self-Righteous?"
If you keep refraining from looking them up in www.dictionary.com
szhm_14, "Your definition of Nazi appears to include you here as well: “Warmongers who wish to subjugate/commit genocide against others in order to demonstrate how strong their "tribe" is.” Paul, weren’t you the one pointing to your nukes earlier. The difference you want the reader to observe it that you kill for non-subjugation while they kill for subjugation."
This is correct. Plus, I'm not trying to do it to prove how strong my tribe is, but merely out of altruistic reasons of wanting to see everyone free and happy.
"Paul, wasn’t Saddam raping women in his jails when the free world stood with him during the Iran-Iraq War…and gave him weapons?"
Yes, we can't fix all problems simultaneously. There are way too many problems in the world. Instead, we need to fix problems in a GEOSTRATEGIC manner. You can find full details of that here:
http://antisubjugator.blogspot.com/2005/06/anglophone-geostrategy.html
"Wasn’t the Shah of Iran raping these rag heads via his SAVAK when the free world stood with him…until he was toppled by a rag-head?"
In the context of the Cold War, the geostrategic thing to do was to not let Iran fall to the communists.
"Weren’t corrupt generals in Pakistan ruling that country, using the public treasury as their personal bank, and doing whatever they pleased?"
Again, it is geostrategic to make use of the Pakistan dictator's resources so that our own are freed up for other operations.
"The Saudi’s buddy, what about the ‘wonderful’ Saudis’? Women aren’t worth a damn in their sheikhdoms but yet the civilized western folk treat them (the royals) nice nice. Want to explain that before nuking away?"
Yes, we don't need to open a warfront with the Saudis at this point in time. They are not a hostile government.
"What is this sudden fascination with the ‘libration’ of women?
Do you believe women aren’t strong enough to protect themselves?"
Yes, the women of Iraq had no ability to protect themselves from being raped on Saddam's orders. You are a despicable person that you brush this off, expecting the poor women to defend themselves against their own government. You are on the wrong side of the War on Terror.
"Besides, you claim to be a ‘protector’ of women after observing atrocities…invited upon themselves. So I could’ve asked you, though less damningly, for your motivation for “converting.” "
I didn't suddenly become a protector of women, I have always wanted to protect those suffering from human rights abuses. It's in my blood. You're not much of a human being that it's not in YOUR blood.
"Though you haven’t supplied me with any references to Muhammad’s harems, you should know that he married widows, with the exception of Aisha, Hafsa, and a slave Maria who were not widows (Read any western university published biography of the man of history of the faith)"
You've been blinded by left-wing romanticizing of the Middle East. If you want to know the reality, read this:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/call_to_muslims.htm
"What about your characterization of Arabs as Nazis?"
The majority of Arabs are neo-Nazis. They need to be de-Nazified. You instead want to romanticize them because they are anti-western. Read this analysis, it explains your motivations:
http://antisubjugator.blogspot.com/2006/07/brilliant-analysis.html
"As for your spreading secular humanism without using nukes, best of luck: ME has a four thousand year old history and is known, or at least taught by western ‘professors’, as the cradle of civilization, whereas the Brits, the US and your own country (a prison for dirty and mischievous Brits) are babies of history…an infants in terms of ‘civility.’"
There's your romanticization of horrible Nazi dictators again. Reality is that it is the free world that has the highest standards of civilization. That's why people from the Middle East want to migrate here. You should migrate there so that you can be with your Nazi heros.
"Last I did my math (and I am fairly confident of my arithmetic) more people had died in the name of Marxism and capitalism—very secular, as I understand—than the all the major “prophets” …combined."
People died in the name of a particular DOGMA. That is why the solution is to be anti-dogma. Nazism, Marxism, Fascism and Islam are all dogmas. The free world fights for RATIONALISM. Everyone has the right to live under a RATIONAL government.
"The Brits, French and US have a history of misadventures in the ME"
The history we inherited is irrelevant. What matters is that women and others do not have their human rights respected in the Middle East, and that we have the power to fix that, if we play our cards right. Just get out of the way. I know you don't care about the suffering of innocents, but others of us do.
"I think you would agree that the future should not, does not, and will not belong to inconsistent characters."
The future belongs to the ideology of the free world - rational, humanist, non-subjugating government.
ME, "About kicking ass this link is proof and this is American news"
Your link doesn't work, but it doesn't matter a damn if you can find an American who thinks Hizbullah "kicked arse". It remains a fantasy. By any measure you use, territory gained, soldiers killed, economic damage, the Israelis kicked your arse. The war only stopped because you were crying for a ceasefire because you were sick of losing so badly. That's what happens when you attack someone stronger than you. The solution is to STOP ATTACKING people!
You are still living in your fantasy world with a conspiracy theory that Israel assassinated Hariri. You are blinded by your own Nazi propaganda. You need to be de-Nazified, like so many in the Middle East. Don't worry, the Anglophones will be coming to your area shortly to de-Nazify you, then you can join the civilized world.
"they are already moved SHARON out of the way because he don’t wants wars any more so they had to move him too suddenly stroke!"
It's because you live in the fantasy world that you keep losing in the real world.
"They act as savage as they can because they thought Lebanon is weak so by destroying Lebanon and killing the children in this savage way"
If you don't want your children to be killed, then stop using them as human shields for propaganda purposes like a bunch of savages. Reality is that Israel cares more about Lebanese children than the Lebanese do!
shitty, you are a moron.
Halliburton used to have Cheney as Chairman and CEO, that is not the same as owned.
Me,
Great fighters? You guys are animals in or morals, which gives you an advantage over us, because apparently even the lives of your own children mean more to us than they do to you. But your armies are incompitent. Proof? Israel exists, even though the great arab nations with 50x the population got SPANKED by them several times. SPANKED like little girls, and now, when they raise their hands, you hide behind the skirts of women and cry to the UN.
Islamic countries have contributed NOTHING to the world, to humanity, to human knowledge or civilization in over 500 years. Why? Because your religion drives you backwards, and your sense on inferiority drives you to act like you don't notice.
ME, "Correction it is an Anglophobes not Anglophones that mean the white American not Hispanic or black or any kinds else you see you are a racist and you shouldn’t judge no body!!!!"
No ME, I'm not a racist. I'm an anti-racist. There are many different races in our Anglophone countries. What the Anglophones share in common is our IDEOLOGY (not race), of rational, humanist anti-subjugation.
"And please if you don’t have any different words than (fantasy, Nazi, propaganda,) don’t waste your time and are time because we know what you going to says and you are a racist you got no place between us!"
You still don't understand that you're the racist Nazi. Why can't you come clean and admit it? Why are you ashamed to confess what you really are? You think in terms of race instead of ideology and you wish to subjugate instead of liberate. You're a Nazi and you're a racist. Just admit it so that you can start some serious self-introspection to improve yourself.
shittyzionz, "You said Lebanon& Palestine were parts of France & Britain respectively, that shows how ignorant & silly you are!"
No, that is reality.
"The Arab world"
That is a racist term. It is the HUMAN world, and there are Arabs living in it.
"after the WW, strong countries occupied (colonized if you insist)
Our countries"
No, your "countries" DIDN'T EXIST. There was only one country - Turkey. After Turkey was defeated, Turkish land became the property of the British and French.
"& divided them into small states, we (in Lebanon) were a French colony, Palestine was a British colony"
They weren't states, they were part of Britain and France.
"Palestine was given to the Jews."
No, part of Britain was annexed to create multiple states, including Israel. Israel was for all the people living in Israel, not just Jews.
"which makes it an Arab land"
No, it makes it a HUMAN land. The problem is that you're a racist.
"During the process of creating Israel, so many Arabs were massacred by the Jews"
No, there weren't MANY massacres of Arabs by Jews. There were some though, not supported by the government or people.
"Did you expect that Arabs would stay still while they were expelled & massacred by the Nazis?"
The Arabs that did sit still became citizens of Israel. That is why 20% of the population of Israel is Arab, and the Arabs have their human rights respected, unlike what happens in most Arab countries. It is the leaders of the Arab countries who are the Nazis, not the Israelis.
"They started to resist"
No, the Israeli Arabs lived in peace. It was the Jordanians who decided to start carry out terrorist attacks on Israel.
"If someone comes to your house, kick your family out, ( if he didn’t kill him) & ask you either to leave or live under their conditions, what would you do?"
Except for some isolated events, no-one was kicked out of their houses. That's why 20% of the population of Israel is Arab. The conditions for living in Israel were good. The Arabs were able to vote and have their human rights legally protected. Which is far more than you can say about the Nazi Arab countries.
"Just shake hands with them & live in peace?"
Yep. They used to live in peace in a country called Britain, now they live in peace in a country called Israel.
"Or fight them & die with dignity & pride for you rights?"
The Arabs have their rights in Israel. It is in the Arab countries where they don't have rights.
"Palestinians & Lebanese chose the latter!"
No, Jordanians and Lebanese Nazis chose to attack one of the newly-created states, because they hated the fact that it had a Jewish majority. Nevermind how many countries have an Arab majority.
"As for Pakistan & India, I think that it's an irrelevant subject that shows how ignorant you are! People in Pakistan ( and Bangladesh) DID live there, they didn’t come from outside, didn’t occupy anybody lands, they are CITIZENS of these countries."
The Jews lived there too.
PE:"Now for balance why don't you tell me all the terrorist acts and massacres committed by Arabs, against both Jews and other Arabs?"
"I don’t have a clue, you tell me"
I shouldn't need to tell you! If you're going to look at history, you should have gotten a balanced view of history, including massacres by Arabs against both Jews and other Arabs. The fact that you got a very narrow version of history shows that wherever you learnt history from, it was from a Nazi point of view. You need to de-Nazify yourself.
"Sebra & Chateela"
That was Arabs killing Arabs. The fact that you try to blame Jews for it just goes to show how Nazified you are.
"Jenin, Qana (1 & 2)"
Military operations against military targets aren't massacres.
"Now tell me, did the Israeli government condemn any of these massacres?"
The Israeli government condemns all deliberate attacks on civilians, and regrets any accidental attacks on civilians.
"how about people of Gaza strip & West Bank? What citizenship do they have?"
I do not know what the citizenship of the people of Gaza have. It's basically a new country. Israel and Egypt are not claiming it as their territory, which makes it independent.
The people of the West Bank used to be Jordanian, but now they are in a state of limbo, as Jordan has ceded the territory, and Israel doesn't want it. Israel is just there fighting terrorists.
"Can they move freely on their own lands?"
The people of Gaza can, but instead of building a decent society, they have chosen to fire rockets at Israel. Because they're Nazis. They don't even care about their own children. They sacrifice them for the Nazi cause.
"How many checkpoints has Israel made so far just to make them feel like prisoners in their own land?"
This is what happens when you carry out terrorist activities.
"how about the wall ( reminds a lot of people of Berlins wall)?"
That wall is designed to save Israeli lives. Because you're a Nazi you don't care about the fact that it protects Israeli civilians. Like I said, you're no Christian. You're a racist Nazi. Stop calling yourself a Christian, you don't remotely follow Jesus's teachings. You follow Adolf Hitler's teachings.
"During our last war, how did Israel treat the Arabs in Haifa? They weren’t no shelters in their areas & when they go with the rest of Israelis, they'll get harassed by the Nazis there."
Who says they got harassed? That's just a Nazi lie you made up.
"As for what you said about Muslims & slaves, I think Muslims here did kick your ass with their replies, I just want to add one thing, they are no slaves in the Arab world, so no one is having sex with them, so you don’t have to worry about that."
The only reason slavery has MOSTLY ended in the Arab world is because the British forced Arabs to stop following the Quran which says it is OK to have sex with your slaves, and instead made slavery illegal.
"So the occupiers say its illegal to rape Iraqi women & (men) but its ok to rape them by the occupiers?"
No, it's not OK for the LIBERATORS to rape them. That's why the people who commit human rights violations are CHARGED and JAILED. There is now justice for the Iraqi people, where under Saddam there was no justice.
"the whole raping thing has not stopped."
There will always be rapes. No organization is comprised of perfect people. The only thing we can do is make it ILLEGAL to rape, and PUNISH those who do it. That is exactly what is being done, now that Iraq is free.
"Again, you are so pissed off because I'm Christian & support HA."
Yes, I am disappointed that someone can pretend to believe in the example Jesus set, and yet still be a horrible Nazi.
"But as an atheist I don’t expect you to understand how wonderful the Christ was"
I'm not an atheist. Read www.moatazilla.org .
"he didn’t obey the Jews, he had a lot of pride, he refused to be a (follower) to the Jews."
Why didn't you just say "he came up with his own ideology"? Why do you mention the "Jews" all the time? Why? Because you're a Nazi. You hate Jews. Besides which, Jesus WAS a Jew!
"Same goes with me, I'm ready to die for what I believe, just like him."
Yes, the problem is what you believe in is wiping Jews off the face of the planet. You believe in Nazi ideology. You are VERY different from Jesus, who said to love even your enemy. You instead deliberately create enemies. What's the point of being a Christian and going to church when you don't remotely follow Jesus's teachings? You're wasting your time.
"Then again, I repeat, I have nothing against Jews & their religion"
You do. You hate them.
"I'm against the state of terror (Israel)."
Israel is not a state of terror, it is a peaceful liberal democracy. It is only your warped Nazi thinking that makes you think that they are a state of terror.
"Ah, you didn’t reply to the violation of UNR# 194?"
194 is on Cyprus.
http://www.un.org/documents/sc/res/1964/scres64.htm
"And now 1701?"
HA violated 1701 by rearming. Israel responded to that violation. Because Kofi Annan is a Nazi-supporter, like you, he conveniently refused to condemn Hizbullah so that he doesn't have to listen to screams from other horrible Nazis in the UN. He instead is a coward who only picks on the nice guy.
"As for the weapons used by the Israelis against the Lebanese CIVILIANS are prohibited BECAUSE it targeted CIVILIANS!!"
You said the weapons were illegal. The weapons were NOT illegal, that was your Nazi lie. Just admit you lied so we can move on. Targetting civilians is indeed illegal, but the Israelis didn't do that. That's another one of your Nazi lies. Have you no shame? Did Jesus teach you to lie like this? Did Jesus teach you to use civilians as human shields for propaganda purposes? You are SICK.
"If they were really after HA fighters, why didn’t they fight them man to man with their merkavas & stuff of course?"
Because there is less allied loss of life if air power is used. Don't expect the free world to care more about enemy civilians than free world soldiers.
"They were bombing civilians from the air"
They were bombing HA from the air.
"they are bombing houses randomly"
More Nazi lies.
"that’s terror!!"
It would be if your Nazi propaganda was actually true.
"Landmines are mostly killing civilians, they whole world stand against it, why would Israel, America & Finland- if you insist- still use them?"
Because they are a military necessity. They're nothing illegal about them, like you lied and said there was.
"That shows how humanists these countries are!!"
Humanist doesn't mean letting non-humanists win the war.
"HA are a resistance group that were formed after the Israeli occupation"
That occurred after Israel was the victim of terrorist attacks from Lebanon. Why do you leave out the important facts? Why? Because you're a Nazi.
"made Sayed Nassrallah the most popular man in the Arab world."
Which goes to show how many Nazis there are in the Arab world, and how big the task is to fix the problem.
"However, don’t forget that Arabs did rule the world once"
Yes, as dictators.
"now it's your turn"
We don't rule the world. We LIBERATE the world.
"My point is"
Your Nazi lie is...
"Jews are ruling the world because their lobby is ruling the USA"
Jews are not ruling the world. The USA is not ruled by Jews. You just can't understand that anti-subjugators NATURALLY ally. The Jews do not rule me either. But I support Israel, a rational, humanist, non-subjugating state, because they share my ideology of freedom and human rights. I want to protect them, and so does my government. It has nothing to do with the Jewish lobby. That is just your fantasy conspiracy theory. Did the US liberate the Kosovars because of the Kosovar lobby?
"but there'll be a time when rule the world again"
This is the big problem. You WANT to rule the world. You WANT to subjugate others. You should instead have an IDEOLOGY of being an anti-subjugator. You should want to LIBERATE others, not ENSLAVE them.
"so many revolution will take place in countries like Egypt, Jordan, Morocco, KSA"
It is technically impossible to overthrow a modern military.
"America & Israeli will pay for all the provokes they are doing to us ."
You are the one provoking them. If there was any justice in the world, YOU would pay for YOUR provocation. Instead, America and Israel are benevolent powers, and we love our enemies, as Jesus taught. You're not remotely following Jesus's example. You're wanting to hurt people because you IMAGINED they provoked you. Jesus and the US DON'T want to hurt you, even though you DID provoke them. They're trying to avoid having to kill you. You're very lucky that their ideology/religion is so different from yours.
szhm_14, "you a paragon of virtue…every nuance of who’s voice is filled with more holiness than God…are a manifestation of peace?"
No, I'm not a manifestation of peace, I'm a manifestation of freedom.
"One’s history is one’s identity, Paul."
Wrong. For starters you should consider HUMAN history, and not isolate it to your race/religion/sex/nationality, and secondly, you shouldn't identify yourself by the mistakes HUMANS have made in the past, you should define yourself by your CURRENT IDEOLOGY.
"Alas, every move made by us in our history was a global-strategic move, one that ultimately aimed at equality and good for ALL, right?"
Not always. But since WWII, America's actions have indeed been such. America is a benevolent power.
"Our motivations are ‘purer than pure’ and that’s all that matters, right Paul? And no one else has an understanding of right and wrong, as evolved as ours…at least."
Australia does. Australia wasn't late for WWI and WWII.
"Again, define DOGMA for me in terms of your humanistic philosophy."
It is some book or text that is completely authorative beyond question or scientific scrutiny.
"Get off your horse and see that you found other terms (‘non-subjugating,’ ‘humanistic’ ‘RATIONAL(!)’) to sacrifice people over!"
Yes, that's right. Everyone has a right to live under a rational, humanist, non-subjugating government, it is a human right, and some innocent people will be killed in an effort to bring human rights to the masses. This should be weighed up against the fact that innocent people are already being killed by dogmatic, non-humanist subjugators. What I am proposing is the lesser of two evils.
"Paul’s ‘rationale’ concerning Saudi’s abuses: “Yes, we don't need to open a warfront with the Saudis at this point in time. They are not a hostile government.”"
Yes, that's right. In order to spread human rights we need to use our brains. And that means acting in a geostrategic manner. You don't open a warfront with friendly governments when you have hostile governments still standing. You just want the good guys to lose. You're on the wrong side of the War on Terror.
"WTF did you mean by Human Rights? Want to define that for us before ranting off in you ‘traditional’ non-dogmatic (or anti-dogmatic) fashion?"
Human rights is that everyone has the right to live under a rational, humanist, non-subjugating government.
"Question: As I understand, the atheism espoused by Communism…Marxism…"
Communism and Marxism are dogmas, with their own immutable holy book. Atheism is not a dogma. People didn't die for atheism, they died for dogma.
"was precisely a REACTION against the “dogmatic” tendencies found in CAPATILISM"
Capitalism isn't a dogma, it is a natural phenomenon. It is scientific.
"as well as RELIGION proper."
Religion is a dogma, and many have died for no reason because of that dogma.
me, "I was trying to make sure to understand what you mean.every body knows , you got to many racist people go and look on the internet you will see them ."
Yes, there are racists in every country. However, reality is that the VAST MAJORITY of Anglophones are not racist, in fact they are anti-racist. And most are not religious bigots, they are anti-religious-bigots. The problem we have in the world today is that MOST Arabs are racist and MOST Muslims are religious bigots. The problem is on your side, not ours. We are going to have a war to fix up your side. Just be patient and some Anglophone troops will be in your area shortly.
You need to understand this simple reality before you can help pull yourself out of the giant hole you have dug for yourself.
ME, "Nothing wrong in bigot ,if you love your religion that don’t makes you a racist"
That depends. If your religion teaches you that people of other religions are sub-human and will go to Hell, then it causes wars. In the west we are taught that all people are equal, regardless of their religion, and that you shouldn't be a religious bigot. On the other hand, your religion teaches you to be intolerant of others, and to treat them as "dhimmis". It is a recipe for conflict. It causes people to fly planes into skyscrapers in order to kill infidels. One of the problems we have in the world today is that Muslims like you are religious bigots. It's not surprising, because Mohammed himself, as well as raping children and slaves, used to chop off the heads of infidels, and say that God told him to do so. It's a recipe for disaster. In order to protect ourselves, we need to respond to this danger from Islam. You are causing us to go to war with you.
"I don’t think Jews like any body more than the Jews"
No, Jews are taught that everyone is equal, regardless of race or religion.
"same as Christian"
No, Christians are taught that everyone is equal, regardless of race or religion.
"same as Muslim"
No, Islam is different. You are taught to have a brotherhood amongst Muslims instead of a brotherhood amongst humans. Or a brotherhood amongst anti-religious-bigots.
"Paul Please you makes me sick and you show how ignorant you are, if you want come after us you welcome and you will know who’s going to be in the hole but make sure you fight us “men” ,don’t take advantage on are children."
Then don't hide behind children. Come out into the open so that we can annihilate you from the air. Or you could simply surrender. You have no chance of winning anyway. The free world is WAY too strong.
"By the way tough guys try to get out of Iraq first, go fight Iran and North Korea first before it is to late for you."
Those countries will all be taken care of. Don't worry about that.
"I don’t threat me, what I saw and what I been through, son you will be talking to your self."
I am warning you so that you can change loyalty from the tribe of Muslim-supremacists to the tribe of anti-religious-bigots, thus avoiding a fight.
LOLOLOLOLOL
You sweet bunch of suckers...
This is actually a debate about religion and culture isn't it...
That's what it's all come to right?
This debate is the most flagrant confirmation of what a short memory our era has . Every event is so quickly consumed, digested(badly) and defecated without hind or onsite .
Religion ??????? A religious war ??? A war over religion ????
In the post 70s era ????
You all want to tell me that we're just like the Crusaders and the Turks???? With the same motivations? Same cultural level ??? 1000 years later? After Pascal ,Galileo,Newton Spinoza,Martin Luther, the advent of laical states , state religions such as Fascism and Nazism ???? In a world where people's utmost form of meditation is nodding in the metro while listening to an mp3 reader ( all of 'em...including observant muslims) ????
In case anybody felt like waking up, I'd like to remid you what even the alley cats know by now : THIS IS ORIGINALLY A WAR ABOUT PETROL .
The little tale about the pseudo-intellectual neo-cons confronted to the fanatical extremists has been useful to the Puppeteers to justify their maneuvres and massacres .
Yet, as in every human matter, there's always a tasty , twilight-zone twist to the story :
The Puppeteer has become enamoured with the tale he's invented and has forgotten why he's made it up in the first place ...the puppets have come alive and have developped a "mind" a "soul" of their own , a memory which contains only the tale .
So here we are ...all history is erased ...we're back to the wars of Religion! LOLOLOLOLOL
Get over it chaps . Leave Religion, God, Culture ,alone ...they're serious matters .
Don't give satisfaction to the Puppeteers who've erased our memory . The memory of us all.
LebaneseLegion, "This is actually a debate about religion and culture isn't it"
We have an ideological clash. Rational, humanist, anti-subjugators versus dogmatic, non-humanist subjugators. The good guys will win, we have far superior weapons.
"I'd like to remid you what even the alley cats know by now : THIS IS ORIGINALLY A WAR ABOUT PETROL ."
Only in your fantasy world. No Iraqi oil has been stolen. And if you want to know why the pro-war supported the Iraq war, then ASK them. Go and ring up 10 random people in the US and asked them whether they supported the war, and if they did, why. I bet you don't get one person saying they did it to steal Iraq's oil. This is using science and logic to answer questions, instead of fantasizing. It is because we use science and logic that our countries are far superior to yours, and everyone wants to migrate here.
Brianush
you deserve a reply . This link http://confederatemiddle-east.blogspot.com/ may provide answers to some of your questions . I have written it in 2001 (Comparing it to my latter outing, which you have pasted, might provide some food for thought...) .
I haven't changed my mind, although the latest events will make my wishes look even more like...wishes . In spite of the necessary starkness of my latest thoughts, try to find the underlying coherence with my overall vision .
East_West, "Why are you intent on repeating history by dehumanizing a portion of the globe as irrational, power hungry, warmongers…ignoring that your own civilizations had to pass through this same damn state?"
We're not dehumanizing them. We're identifying the enemy so that we can do something about the problem. So far we have followed "love thy enemy" which is why Afghanistan wasn't nuked, it was LIBERATED. Plus Iraq was liberated. 52 million people have been liberated from state-slavery. The current plan is to try to educate the children with a non-Nazi upbringing. I'm just explaining to people that they are Nazis, and need to be defeated.
ME, "No are religion taught us love and care"
No, your religion tells you to chop off the heads of infidels. Which is exactly what Mohammed used to do.
"as every holy book asked for it"
Most other "holy" books teach "do unto others as you would have others do unto you". The Quran is the exception. It is totally lacking a basis for morality.
"and the same time said an eye for an eye"
This is not what Jesus said. He said to turn the other cheek.
"don’t think if the people in are country said death to America or death to Israel they mean death to you ,no pale they mean to your government"
We live in democracies. The government IS the people. The people support the actions of the government.
"and every body trying to hurts us,"
We're not trying to hurt you. You're trying to hurt us. The only thing is that you are too weak to hurt us much, so you will lose this war that you started. Your "Death to USA" is about to be answered.
"When I said “Jews love Jews ,as Christian “ what I meant that they love them religion more than other religion, I didn’t meant the people wise ,and that what makes us bigots."
What makes you bigots is that you only pray for other Muslims. You don't give a damn about Christians and Jews, who you consider to be sub-human people destined to go to Hell and drink boiling water (as the Quran says). Whereas Christians and Jews pray for EVERYONE, and aren't sending non-Jews/non-Christians to Hell, just because they chose a different religion.
"We don’t hide behind are children stop this propagandas ,"
It's not propaganda. The trouble is that you believe your OWN propaganda. The Hizbullah fired from civilian areas, and the civilian casualties are its responsibility.
"are kids where behind us ,they were far from the border ,you went after them in your war plane ,if I want to agree with you ,it is all about following the rocket launchers ,why you killed them in SOOR region, SIDA region , southern suburb region , BAALBACK region etc. "
Because there were military targets there. The Israelis don't waste money on bombs to hit non-military targets.
"So please respect these children death."
YOU respect them first!
"We are not fighting for a religion we are fighting for Lebanon and for you knowledge there was different religion in the fight especially in the back up fighters!!!"
Hizbullah is not fighting for Lebanon. If Hizbullah cared about Lebanon, they would disarm, and let the Lebanese Army, under control of the Lebanese Government, take control. Hizbullah is indeed fighting for their religion. Their aim is to wipe out Israel. It is in their charter. They are just following the example of Mohammed, who used to chop off the heads of innocent Jews.
Can you not understand that you have been brainwashed to believe that the Quran is the word of God? It's no such thing. God is benevolent, not the horrible psychopath as described in the Quran. Read this:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/call_to_muslims.htm
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szhm_14, "Perhaps only then will we develop a sense of humility…and refrain from dehumanizing each other!"
It is the Arabs you need to get to stop looking at their history through rose-coloured glasses. Whites have been thoroughly indoctrinated about how bad whites have been in history.
"So naturally, you need to compartmentalize certain facts about your (Anglophone) history, no?"
It is not history, but CURRENT ANGLOPHONE IDEOLOGY that I am touting. Liberating others.
"Paul, Anglophones were/are a war mongering people, no?"
Anglophones recognize the need to defeat the enemy ideology before it gets too strong. That is a lesson from WWII.
"Vikings…and vandals…and northern ‘raiders’ and Saxons and Normans.’"
Only an idiot dwells on history that far back. Most of human history has been dictators fighting other dictators, for no benefit to civilization. It's all irrelevant.
"You need the present as it is lighter than your Anglophone past no?"
Anglophone past has been to provide enormous contribution to civil society. But it is irrelevant who did it. What matters now is how we are CURRENTLY behaving.
"You, Paul the individual, might not have indulged in the rape of the aborigine peoples of Australia, or the decimation of natives, cruelty to Chinese and lynching picnics of blacks here in the States, but your fellow Anglophones sure did."
I also didn't come up with the idea of abolishing slavery and using force to stop it. But other Anglophones did. So? It's all part of HUMAN history.
"And Paul, what geo-strategic purpose was served by the US’s arming of a socialist and secular Saddam?"
First of all, he was mainly armed by Russia, not USA. But he was supported during the Iran/Iraq war, because there was a bigger evil, a dangerous ideology of Islamic fundamentalism, threatening to take over Iraq's southern oil fields and grow stronger. The geostrategic thing to do was to stop the spread of Islamofascism.
"Was there any other motive than to test out new military hardware?"
Yes, you're just too much of a racist that you would rather seek a sinister motive for USA's actions rather than the benevolent motive.
"America the Benevolent, huh; better yet benevolent Anglophones, huh."
Yes, America is a benevolent country, and the other Anglophones share that benevolence, as does much of the free world. That's why we provide aid to Africa for example.
"Perhaps all this served/s in some over all scheme…some geo-strategic motif…of being rational, anti-dogmatic and non-subjugation-ist?"
Yes, it was anti-dogmatic. That was considered to be the highest priority - snuff out a dangerous dogma.
"your guilty burdens."
I don't have guilty burdens, despite the left-wing's attempt to fill me up with all sorts of things I was supposedly responsible for because of my skin colour. I happened to be smart enough to figure out that I was born without sin and my skin colour was irrelevant.
"(Don’t worry: I won’t tie this to Israel: the manifestation of WHITE, EUROPEAN, CHRISTIAN or as you say, “ANGLEPHONE,” guilt.)"
Anglophones didn't do anything to the Jews. We liberated them. In fact, if it wasn't for the Australian Lighthorse charging Beersheba, Israel wouldn't even exist.
"I say Anglophone blood is as savage as it was"
Anglophones aren't savage. They love their enemy. This was exemplified in Najaf when an angry crowd of UNARMED Iraqis were challenging the US forces (turned out that they had heard a rumour that the Americans were going to stop them from praying at their mosque). The Americans kneeled down and RETREATED. It made me cry. You're just too racist to see how benevolent Anglophones are.
"and its marvelous weapons are proof of this."
The weapons are proof that we know how to run kick-arse economies, and everyone should be coming and learning from us, instead of disparaging us all the time and coming up with "great" new ideas like communism.
"If your blood so readily curdles by seeing human rights abuses, then you should never—for any reason—rationalize or even give the impression that you are rationalizing little sheikdoms’ right over the rights of those whom they abuse on a daily basis, Paul."
I am not. I am formulating a plan to rescue them. Given that most of the rest of the world doesn't value human rights of others like the Anglophones do, it is a very delicate operation to try to liberate the world without garnering a hostile coalition against us.
"The portrait I’ve painted of Anglophones is too ugly, even for me."
Yes, because you've selectively ignored all the contributions that the Anglophones have made in improving the world, specifically bringing in rational, humanist, non-subjugating government. Plus all the technology that you are using write now to read this message.
East_West1, "Since when did "Nazi" become a humanizing term?"
Nazi accurately describes them. The enemy has a sick ideology that needs to be defeated. We shouldn't gloss over this, otherwise we will omit doing the badly-needed de-Nazification that was done in Germany.
"In many of your "explanations," you refer to them as "irrational," "Nazi," "Enemies.""
This is an accurate description of where we find ourselves.
"You ARE dehumanizing them. So stop playing with words!"
I harbour them no ill-well. They are suffering from a psychological illness, the same as the Germans were. It's not their fault, they have been indoctrinated to dehumanize the Jews. As such, I'm an anti-dehumanizer.
"In other remarks you exploit your own power of interpretation to recklessly berate their religion."
I'm not doing anything reckless at all. I'm pointing out that their minds are sick because they have been indoctrinated that a book of hate is the perfect word of God. Having identified the problem, we can start to address it.
"Stop trying to live out your own comic book fantasies of heroes and villains. They are people. Treat them as such."
That's why we fixed Germany by de-Nazifying them rather than committing genocide against them. We need to do the same with the Arabs. The fight between rational, humanist, non-subjugators and dogmatic, non-humanist, subjugators is not a "comic book fantasy". It is reality. Why don't you tell me why you are having so much trouble understanding it? Maybe I can explain it.
ME, "It is an Edwards or an idiots ,either way all the holy books said the same turn other cheek,"
No, the Quran doesn't say that. The Quran doesn't even say "do unto others as you would have others do unto you". In fact, the Quran says things like "you can have sex with your slaves". Only a complete idiot would believe that the Quran was the word of God.
"and after that you out of cheeks so an eye for an eye ,that mean you are not blame for it you did what you have to do."
That is not what Jesus said. He explicitly said "love thy enemy".
"You lucky we got respect to all the people holly books"
You don't respect other people's holy books. You think you are the only one with the truth, even though the "truth" says things like "you can have sex with your slaves". Your mind is sick. Regardless, NONE of the existing holy books are the word of God. The only thing that is the word of God is www.moatazilla.org .
"go read your holly book what ever it is and learn about love and believe ,about good and bad ,about wrong and right ,may you start know GOD the only one for good not for the bad like you ."
I know God VERY well, and he's not a sadistic arsehole who sends unbelievers to hell to drink boiling water, like the Quran says. Please try to understand. You have been brainwashed as a child to believe this crap. You are a victim of child abuse.
"Don’t show us site for people they don’t have any believe like you"
It doesn't matter what other people's beliefs are. What matters is if they are telling the truth. They quote from the Quran showing that God didn't write this crap.
"they put god and holy books down ,you all living with a sick hearts full of hates if you don’t have any body left to hate you hate your selves!!!!"
No, atheists tend to be secular humanists. Very nice people. It is the Muslims who are full of hate. Because Mohammed was full of hate too. And the Quran is a book of hate.
"savage way they acts in killing are children, you chase them every where, you destroy all these building and killed all the innocents civilian"
Try to understand. You have been brainwashed by your terrorist media. They are not telling you the truth. The truth is that Hizbullah fires from civilian areas, meaning when Israel responds, civilians are hit. The children are not being deliberately targetted. Only your terrorist propaganda says that, making out the Jews to be evil people. They're not. They care more about enemy children than the enemy does.
szhm_14, "As for you not having guilty burdens—rubbish."
Try to understand. Guilt is not transferrable, and people are born without sin. I would only feel guilty about things that I had personally done. And I haven't harmed a fly. I've only sought to protect people from human rights abuses. No-one else in the entire world has been so devoted to protecting human rights abuses, such as the rape of Iraqi women by Saddam's government, as I have been.
"Your feeling helpless in the face of abuse in your personal history—imposed by others, if not yourself—drives you to utter this non-dogmatic, anti-subjugator jargon, Paul."
No, it is strong empathy for others that makes me seek to make sure everyone in the world has their human rights protected.
"You didn’t drop out of your mother’s womb constructing concepts and arguments."
I dropped out and found a hostile world and sought to fix it.
"Anglophones didn’t do anything to the Jews!? The legacy of the British Empire is what gave birth to the chaos in the middle-east you moron!"
It is the British empire that gave the Jews their homeland back, after millenia of being displaced. The Anglophones didn't do anything to the Jews. The Jews owe the Anglophones a debt of gratitude.
"The difference between Hitler and yourself"
The difference between Hitler and myself is that he was dogmatic, non-humanist and a subjugator, while I am rational, humanist and non-subjugating.
"you [will] kill people who aren’t Anglophone, enough."
I am killing off subjugators. This is not based on race, it is based on ideology. Anyone who seeks to enslave another human is my enemy, and will be neutered.
"And savagery IS a part of YOUR inheritance, Paul. It is evident in your characterization of the desert dwellers…and any one else who doesn’t fit your “universal” constructs as lunatics who want to create chaos and “rule the world.”"
No, they are the savages. I am anti-savagery.
"Why characterize peoples in such a manner when it is you who is in a position of power, militarily and culturally, Paul?"
Yes, we are very lucky that the savages are weak and the anti-savages are strong. Most of world history hasn't been so lucky. Just because we are strong doesn't mean you can reverse the meaning of savagery and anti-savagery.
"To me, it is a doctrine of injustice. It should be studied…in museums. "
Yes, we should document the fact that people like you turned a blind eye to institutionalized rape in Iraq, and many other examples of ignoring the plight of innocent (rational, humanist, non-subjugating) people.
"Let the people use their FREEDOM...and RATIONALE to decide for theselves. "
That is exactly what we're enabling them to do. We're overthrowing their dictators and giving the people freedom to decide for themselves what they want to do. You're the one who would prefer to see them enslaved.
szhm_14, "all of your arguments always circle back to portray you as the “absolute good” left on this planet."
Read www.moatazilla.org .
szhm_14, "Are you Jesus?"
Read www.moatazilla.org and the 3 links contained within it.
shittyzionz, "Nowadays, we are having our dark days"
Finally! We're making progress. You have at least acknowledged that you have a problem. Now you should help us work on a solution. We are trying to get you out of your Dark Ages and into the modern world, so that you can contribute science to humanity instead of contributing suicide bombers.
The solution is RATIONALISM and HUMANISM. We are actually trying to implement this across the world, in a geostrategic manner. The current plan is to overthrow dictators and give children a modern education to see if that works. Iraq was an experiment to see what the people would choose by themselves if they were not given any restrictions. They chose to turn Iraq into an Islamic state, which is against rationalism. In a country like Egypt, where a majority of the population are Islamofascists, the result would be much worse. They would basically elect terrorists to power. We need to de-Nazify/de-Islamify Egypt. As such, we need someone like Paul Bremer to administer the country instead of having a democracy. I am doing my best to try to get western governments to support this idea so that we can fix the problem.
About Koala Paul
"I am doing my best to try to get western governments to support this idea so that we can fix the problem."
LOLOLOL I guess Mr exported Welsh Autsralopitecus' megalomania and mythomania didn't need such a blatant piece of evidence ....
But believe me guys ,the horror of it is that the "men at work" in the botton rooms that count are even more luridly ignorant , venomous and mad as hatters than our candid Paul of the Kangaroos.
Venerable Brianush
the expression in Arabic ( or in Lebanese to be precise) sounds like : aa 'bel el miye .
Seems like we've got that one in common too ;-) ( who knows who came first...whether the Ismaelite egg or the Israelite chicken...bah...)
Fact is, dear Sir, that you've quite obviously not found the link to the posting I provided you with above, although you had by your own initiative quite expeditively found the one about my "call to arms " . Had you read it infact , I doubt you'd still be talking about hatred towards your creed on behalf of all of ours .
I will therefore abandon this scene with a couple of last lapidary comments about the deontology of the pro-neo-con commentators :
1- have you ever considered you might be a touch ...paternalistic ?
(that's a bit of a no-no when addressing more ancient cultures
;-) )
2- Where is it written that the only criterion by which to judge humanity is its degree of inventiveness ? We Arab love , amongst other things ,materially unfruitful things such as poetry . We also have a bit of a nack for hospitality ...provided the host is polite , respectful and possibly entertaining . Alas, we unfortunately seem to be perennially plagued with rude, egotistic,pedantic,boring,
satrapic, slightly cretinous,happily criminal,rather ungrateful and therefore UNWANTED guests .
Get the message chums : we might be dwarves , but just can't find amongst you any giants . We might be slightly "retro" , perhaps exceedingly romantic to some extent, but can't find in your barbarous, indecorous and overall vulgar, pedestrian,unnoble and
ill-bred "civilisation" a valid alternative .
3- From all the above, it's quite clear by now that we're not interested in teachers nor masters ,but eventually in uninterested friends .
4- You want our petrol , you'll have to pay for it .You want our lives, you'll have to pay for 'em too. You want our souls and minds ? Keep dreaming ...
Brianush
my invectives weren't directed at you personnally . Once again,
the following link might have avoided much waiste of cyberspace :
http://confederatemiddle-east.blogspot.com/
I wish you and others understood that none of my postings have anything to do with religious or "cultural" confrontation .
You see, I am not a Shiah, not even a Muslim for that matter .
I'm a Christian .
What's at stake here isn't religion ...what is confronted , aren't ideologies , but rather a lesser, less prosperous , less matter oriented humanity to a greedy, alienated materially prosperous one ....
We're all like reservetion American Indians .
LebaneseLegion, "What's at stake here isn't religion ...what is confronted , aren't ideologies"
It is. We have an ideological clash between anti-dogma, anti-non-humanist, anti-subjugators and dogmatic, non-humanist subjugators. Having identified the problem we are now in a position to solve it. It is being solved as we speak.
szhm_14
glad to've entertained you . I found your postings rather instructive too .
I'm afraid nice Arab ladies(Lebanese ones in particular) are quite sought for and if I knew any single one I'd certainly join the suitor's queue myself ;-)
me, "you still saying sex and slaves, at least it is better than having sex with kids"
I'm still saying it because it's still written there, in 33:50. Mohammed didn't know that SLAVERY IS WRONG. As for having sex with kids, Mohammed had sex with a 9 year old girl. He didn't think anything was wrong with that either. This is the man you believe is a prophet. It's a joke. To see exactly how gullible people can be. A billion people believe that a mass murderering child molestor was sent from God. Read:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/call_to_muslims.htm
and use your brain. You've been indoctrinated as a child to believe this crap. You are a victim of child abuse. WAKE UP!!!
Hoffa 6, "I don't think any person has the ability to say what religion is correct or incorrect."
www.moatazilla.org is correct.
"that is why we should all have the freedom to practice whatever religion we want."
Children should not be indoctrinated that a book of hate is "God's word".
"we need to take into account that they were written along time ago."
And with modern science, we can prove that they were all wrong. None of them are the word of God.
"Now as far as slaves um christins,catholics,muslims all had slaves so whos worse?"
Who's worse is the Muslims - for endorsing slavery in their "holy" book. The other "holy" books didn't do that.
"It dosent matter what religion you are they are all about peace and loving one another,caring and tolerance."
No, the Quran is not about that at all. The Quran is about spreading hate and killing those who stand in your way. Read:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/call_to_muslims.htm
"killing each other is bad,"
Then the Quran is bad, and not the word of God.
Lebanese must be proud and put everyone away from their own land. Lebanese know so well how to create an added value in anything they do.
U lot aernt true people who support lebanon what are we meant to do just let isreal beat the shit into lebanon we have to fight back. All who say Syed hassan enough are just cowards and might aswell go live in isreal if they love them that much.
http://www.youtube.com/user/newsfarsi
he sucks my money from Iran stupid pigs
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