Monday, August 14, 2006

Hassan Nasrallah: ENOUGH!

Hassan Nasrallah just gave his speech to Lebanon. I didn't catch most of it, but I did catch the following: "those who think that they can talk about Hizballah's weapons now are mistaken."

Of course, the man cannot simply be expected to state otherwise. At this point in time, so soon after the battle, the combatants cannot but insist on claiming victory. Yet in my humble opinion, if the Israelis cannot justifiably claim a victory, neither can Lebanon (or even Hizballah for that matter).

It is true that Hizballah survived this onslaught, and in so doing, was able to achieve an unprecedented feat. However, it failed to accomplish anything else, and nomatter how much better it prepared for this war, could not have accomplished more.

On that note, I have a message I wish to convey to Nasrallah (and I think I speak for the majority of Lebanese when I say this): ENOUGH!

You are not my leader. You have just been handed your "epic battle" with the Israelis and you could not have wished for a better outcome. Of course, the price WE ALL had to pay for that "victory" of yours was astronomical. Your insistence on keeping your weapons and stubbornly tagging the Syrian-Iranian foreign policy line has brought our country to the brink of oblivion. ENOUGH, Nasrallah. ENOUGH.

The Israelis are now taking their Prime Minister to task for his folly. It would be a BIG shame if the Lebanese (including your own constituents, Mr. Nasrallah) do not take you to task. Did you really pose a deterrence to Israel? Could they have inflicted any more damage to the country? Were you the one who prevented them from doing so? Were your arms worth the price all of us paid? Can Lebanon continue like this? Will Lebanon be able to get back on its feet if you do not alter your own course? And finaly, can you and your organization, Mr. Nasrallah, really survive without Lebanon?

At the end of the day, you are the Shi'a Za'im. But that is all you are: a Shi'a Za'im. You do not Lead Lebanon. You cannot ever lead Lebanon. You are one among equals in a country defined by plurality. And if the majority of your political counterparts agree to a path that differs from the path you choose, Mr. Nasrallah (however divine you may think you, or your path is), you must accept the decision of the majority.

Lebanon, today, is at a very clear juncture, Nasrallah. You either "retire" your military component while it is at the "top," leave a solid legacy behind, and save Lebanon in the process. Or, you persist in your obstinate ways, and drag all of the country into oblivion. Starting today, the real battle for Lebanon's survival begins.

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Bad Vilbel said...

Well said, Raja.
I'll add my voice to yours in saying "Enough!"

Ergotelina said...

i heard on TV

Nasrallah said: he will pay the
house-rents for one year
to the people
who lost their houses


He has money to act...
to be popular..

Loli said...

I am very angry with Nasrallah too. He can manipulate all he wants about the outcome of war, the only thing he achieved is more destruction and despair. I add my voice to yours, Raja. ENOUGH! Enough with Mr. Nasrallah's megalomania, enough with his manipulation and selfish political aspirations. Mr. Nasrallah, you are totally irresponsible. Playing with the lives of the Lebanese and usurpating power in the name of "resistance."

AbdulKarim said...

Worst of all, he said that the Lebanese politicians should know now that they are talking now to victors!

ENOUGH!!!!!!!!

I add my voice to yours Raja.

FaiLaSooF said...

In 2005, we saw a ray of hope, and we follow it with everything we can. In 2006, this ray of hope was assassinated. I can't even talk anymore..... I'm loosing my faith in a true Lebanon......

May God have mercy on our beloved Lebanon...if it exists anymore.....

ENOUGH...who would even hear it????

Lebnese Liona said...

rAJA,

Although i see you frustration, I think its too early for you to throw the towel and here is why:

Logistically, you cant expect HB just to throw their weapons and just walk out of theri bunkers and be target for IDF or even foreign troops as part of UN.

I think you have t understand that at least.

I also nowhere in his message did I hear the statment that you mentioned in your segment , and I heardthe entire speech.

Also none of the 7 pts that were agreed on by the government were acheived, so technically he still have the right to resist.

What I do think is happening right now in lebanon, is a very healthy democratic disscusion in lebanon between the leaders.

Thats good!! They are talking to each other, we should start worrying if they stop.

I think HB will disarm when the proper conditions are met just like the Condi cease fire conditions had to be met before cease fire took place.

I think you and I both know that our army cannt defend us from an isreali agression right now, that does not mean that it cant in the future.

But just like everything else in the world, it takes baby steps to get there

Believe me I understand what you want but it will take time and good logical diplomacy to get there.
DONT FORGET that Olmert just today was flat out declaring that he will hunt every HB fighter and Nassralah where ever they are.

Patience is a virtue, our people united in the face of the conflict and we need to continue to unite untill we get thru this political test, because if we dont right now , we will be in a civil war before you know it , and let me tell then we would wish we were fighting isreal.

peace

Loli said...

Victorious???? Based on what??? Having a whole Beiruti neighborhood leveled, most of the Southern villages and towns destroyed, hundreds of thousands of people displaced, hundreds of businesses down the drain, and so on? Do ordinary people in the street look victorious or in despair? ENOUGH!!!!

EvilConCarne said...

To the victors go the spoils....$3 billion in damages, over 1,000 civilians dead (Nasrallah I know you are hiding the number of dead among your fighters), 1,000,000 displaced and a ruined economy.

Nasrallah your empty 'victory' does not resonate with me. I count the days until the tables are turned on you. Leave us alone and move to Iran.

Enough!

Lebnese Liona said...

loli,

Th truth is , lebanon was is victorious today in the face of isreal.

Isreal did not acheive one goal they set to achieve.

Of course the price for this victory was too much . No questions there.

And believe me I see frustration , but time will show that you are incorrect on this way.

I believe that this man has no reason to lie to us, call me naive, but i really do

the other opinion

lisoosh said...

timesonline.co.uk:

Lebanon's 'real' soldiers are put in their place
From Daniel McGrory in Beirut

TODAY was supposed to be the day when the much maligned army of Lebanon took control of its borders and policed the UN ceasefire.
Instead, its military commanders were left humiliated and its troops stranded as Hezbollah told them not to try to disarm its fighters.

In Beirut, Western diplomats said that it raised serious concerns about the army’s ability and appetite to deal with Hezbollah. The Lebanese Government was left struggling to maintain a united front after unanimously backing the UN resolution on Saturday.

Sami Haddad, the Economics Minister, said: “The Government can’t force Hezbollah to abide by the ceasefire. It’s unnatural to have an armed political party that is in Cabinet and does not abide by what the Government of Lebanon wants.”

Nabih Berri, the Speaker of parliament and the Shia politician best placed to negotiate with Hezbollah, asked for 48 hours to broker a deal."

Hope you guys can do what you need to do.

ThinkingMan said...

Well said Raja,- I said similar things here:
http://lebaneseabroad.blogspot.com/2006/08/hezbollah-owes-it-to-lebanese-people.html

EvilConCarne said...

Lebnese Liona,

why don't you keep believing and trusting Nasrallah, who "speaks the truth", until Lebanon falls on all our heads.

Did you not hear all his threatening rhetoric tonight? Or do you only focus on the 'victory' he achieved.

Your Decapitator has raised his bullying of the government to a new level today. He is competing with the government in the rebuilding and threatening other politicians who were brave enough to question his foolish escapades.

I fear for Lebanon now more than ever.

moral ground said...

Dear Nasrallah,

How DARE you claim victory over Israel, after you left a country in decimation, with over 20 billion dollar in damages, over 1000 dead, almost a million displaced, lives shattered, a rhythm disrupted, dreams broken, and hopes destroyed, when just a month ago it was the opposite.

Go to hell.

Lebnese Liona said...

To my fellow lebanese friends,

You guys helped me be open minded, but I cant be the only guy on this website that sees things differently then u do!!!

I cant be that much off with my analysis.

I am so sadned by what I see , and all these innocent civilains and resistance fighters have died in vein because we dont seem to be able to unite.

Guys, I am very sad to say that I am so hurt with what I see that I have decided not to speak about my opinions and feelings on this website ever again!!!!!!


so long all, and god bless you

abou al jamejem said...

You guys should check this video to blieve that HA is training in Iran with the support of Syria.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NIENw5Q71c&mode=related&search=

moral ground said...

bye

Michael said...

Raja, I think any person with any common sense would agree also, Enough is Enough.

I wouldn’t get to comfortable if I was you. I wouldn’t be surprised if this war starts back up within a month. And next time, I do not think Israel will have any mercy on you. And why should they. You are letting a mad man, and yes I mean a mad man, run your country. Nasrallah doesn’t care about the Lebanese people, all he cares about is killing Jews. He already backed your spineless government down in one day, by not allowing the Lebanese Army to de-arm them.

I hear the Lebanese people keep saying they want Peace and Freedom. Well freedom is not free, it never has been. Freedom has one of the highest price tags of all. It normally has to be bought with blood, and a lot of it.

Nasrallah started this war, and anyone with any common sense knows this. Anyone who knows anything about military power, knows Israel was very careful with their bombing and using their military power. They were clearly trying not to target civilians. If this starts up again, do you think they will be as careful, or do you think they will just say Enough is Enough with Lebanon and 1000’s will die a day.

I sure hope not.

Michael

EvilConCarne said...

Liona,

We can't seem to unite as you say is because decisions are being made on "behalf" of Lebanon without consensus.

How does a party with 14 seats out of 128 in parliament have the right and ability to veto decisions in government?

How can a militia with cabinet representation start a war without the knowledge and approval of a sovereign state?

The problem in Lebanon is a state-within- a state. I don't believe Nasrallah believes in dialogue, I do believe that he believes in the Bush doctirine "you are either with us or against us"

I am Anti Hizbullah, Anti Israeli and Pro Lebanon! If that cannot be the true patriotic stand , then what is?!

Fearless said...

Rice calls Lebanese PM to warn him that if the UN Lebanon resolution is not implemented, “We will not be responsible for the consequences”

August 13, 2006, 10:18 PM (GMT+02:00)

Earlier, Israeli FM Tzipi Livni put in urgent calls to the US secretary and the French foreign minister in an effort to salvage the ceasefire from Iranian-backed Hizballah leader Hassan Nasrallah’s 12th-hour retraction of his consent.



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Lebanese minister Marwan Hamadi accused Hassan Nasrallah Sunday night of reneging on his pledge to abide by the UN ceasefire

August 13, 2006, 10:57 PM (GMT+02:00)

Hamadi information minister, a Druze, said Sunday night that Nasrallah had broken his word to order Hizballah fighters south of the Litani to hand in their weapons to allow Lebanese army troops to be deployed there.
More...


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The UN ceasefire resolution unravels as Lebanese government backtracks ahead of the Monday, Aug. 14 0800 deadline

August 13, 2006, 7:10 PM (GMT+02:00)

The Lebanese government postponed a meeting Sunday afternoon on disarming Hizballah. Nasrallah reversed his conditional consent to the UN ceasefire which included a veto on an arms embargo and Hizballah’s withdrawal from Lebanon.

Then, after the Israeli cabinet approved the UN ceasefire, he told the Siniora government the deal was off. Iran and Syria warned the Lebanese government not to let its troops and the 15,000-strong international force try and disarm Hizballah.

Loli said...

Liona,
I hope you will log on again and read this. I was in a meeting, and did not mean to ignore your comment to me. Contrary to what you think, I believe we are united in our love for Lebanon and our hope to rebuild and live peacefully. You and I disagree on Nasrallah's motives or at least his strategic skills, and there's nothing wrong with that. This a normal dynamic in every democracy, and it's even healthy, as it keeps us aware and it challenges our reasoning. I do respect your opinion, although I disagree with it. I know you mean very well. I am really concerned about Lebanon and the whole region. Suppose I am wrong and Nasrallah means well and is strategically very skilled, what I find unacceptable is that he is deciding for a whole nation because his party is the only one armed in Lebanon. This is contrary to democracy. It is more like a disguised coup d'Etat. Let the people speak (not only his supporters), and you will see that nobody wants to escalate, nobody wants more war. I can't ask Olmert for anything, because he's not PM and he owes me nothing. But Nasrallah is Lebanese and if he truly cares about Lebanon and the Lebanese, then he'll have to let the elected government do its job, and not decide in the name of all of us to perform a suicidal act.

desmond said...

Raja,
Well said. Nasrallah's speech comes across as hubris but I hope the old adage "pride comes before a fall" is true.

Tichondrius1 said...
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Fearless said...

The ravings of Ahmadinajead in 60 minutes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZHSwQOAYz8

Ergotelina said...

Let the voice of moderation speak
By HRH Prince Hassan bin Talal
The writer, brother of the late King Hussein of Jordan, is president of the Arab Thought Forum.

Loli said...

trichondrius,
Spare us your low level comments. Nobody needs them. It's because of people like that the world is full of hatred and war.

Loli said...

I meant: people like you...

lebclaro said...

I hope that the international community will be clever enough to link any financial help for the reconstruction to the obligation to disarm any militia in Lebanon.
Otherwise it would be a waste of funds
if there is no political stability. (and a betrail of tax payers). Syria and Iran are not able to provide the financial aid necessary for reconstruction).
The Lebanese government need a strengthening which means at teh same time Hezbollah needs to be substantially weakened.

yuval from tlv said...

hi there..

we finally got a ceaze fire!
that's 1 reason to smile today.. isn't it?


next on to come..
as i always said here previously - HB and it's masters (Nasrallah,Bashar,Ahmadi-Najad) will not allow this terror group to be disarmed,
you'll see, even if it may cost you another civil war - Nasrallh will not agree do disarm.

as i said, cease fire is one thing, and easy to achieve.

the disarment of HB is much riskier to Lebanon, and Lebanese soverignity.

obviously i see it that way -

the Lebanese gov' will fall to HB request and won't try to disarm HB, but it'll try to take "control" over southern Lebanon.. surely it'll be silly, cause HB is not under your gov' therefor it'll continue to do what ever it want, or more correct - what ever iran wants.

the future question may be, how would the international community will act to the HB refuse to disarm, and how does the Israeli gov' will react to that,
i hope you all understand that not disarming HB is actualy breaking the UN resolution 1701, calling to disarm them, there for you will give Israel the right to break this resolution either, and another rally of war will begin.

hope, we'll get to see better times.

3li- said...

Loli-

Nasrallah-as a Lebanese "Zaim" who speaks for a large segment in Lebanese society-has every right to speak for himself and his constituency. He has his own ideas about what constitutes a united, strong and able government, just as others do, including yourself. He never said he spoke for all of you. I am sure you do not want him to speak for you or Raja.

I think you have to admit that Nasrallah only addressed this point, HA's arms, because the fighting is hardly over. Israeli troops are still in the South, with the Shebaa farms are still in limbo, prisoners, land mines, continuing violations of Lebanese sovereignty, with the air, sea and land embargo still on, etc…

I find it callous, and not to mention tactically na├»ve, to start talking about disarming HA when the danger is still around this, with Israel still making threats. Why would you want to propmtly take HA’s arms when they are the only ones able to stop a wholesale invasion of Lebanon? Couldn’t you wait till at least the present danger is over? This is insane. Why do away with Lebanon’s only viable military option? Wouldn’t you, as a Lebanese, want to at least study the strength of HA, and maybe incorporate it into some overall strategic defense for the whole country? WHY THE INSISTENCE ON DISARMING HA RIGHT NOW, WHY? WHY CAN’T YOU WAIT TILL THE PRESENT HOSTILITIES ARE OVER?

This is so ill, it is laughable. Go ahead, disarm HA, and invite Israel in to round them up and take them to the slaughter. I am sorry to say this: but if you do not view Israel as an adversary and an enemy, and do not fear them for reasons I will not get into right now, there are people, specifically in the South, who do not trust the Israelis and do not share your warm and fuzzy feelings for them.

I think we have a lot of problems ahead of us. Raja’s post, accusing HA of being a toll for Iran and Syria shows how far apart we are in understanding and trusting each other. His fulminations, yours and others on this blog, I believe will raise tensions greatly in Lebanon in the short run. We maybe in the same country, but I believe our historical and cultural experiences, though physically shared, are interpreted completely differently sometimes.

I am not sure we can bridge the gap. We need to talk quite a bit, and get to a point where we can start trusting each other. Jumping on HA, a LEBANESE resistance movement that has just paid dearly with life and property, with such red-hot emotion while the enemy (well, maybe just the Shia’s enemy, you guys need to tell me) is still on our land, does not lend itself to such desired goodwill.

Allah yostor bass..

yuval from tlv said...

al - ghadabulsaati3


the UN resolution you agreed on - calling to disarm HB in order to the UN forces to take over, with the Lebanese army control, over southern Lebanon, from Israel.

the internatinal community won't take part of it, unless the HB won't agree to be disarmed cause they don't want to do it them selfs.

therefor if you want this war to totally stop you must have a gov' agreement to disarm HB..

besides, HB it not apposing any guard at Lebanon, cause if Israel wanted it, long time ago Israel could take over the entire Lebanon..
if you want, you can take a look at the Israeli tactics, it hadn't invaded lebanon into the Litanni river, because we didn't wanted a harder international pressure.

once the resolution came out, israel had got into Lebaon and took over southern lebanon till the Litanni river, with only 2 days.

what it gave Israel, is the ability to destroy HB infulstructure even harder and deeper befor the UN forces enter there..
that's why the UN didn't called for an immidiate cease-fire, but it only called to put an end to the hostility..
and the cease fire took place only by monday morning as schedualed.

therefor talking now about HB disarment is importent if you're truely seeking for the end of this war.

3li- said...

Yuvall-

Who will dsarm Israel for us?

Who is going to make it abide by the over 50 UN resolutions against it?

What is your responsibility in all of us, to the Lebanese, to the Palestinians? Do you admit any? What are you doing about them?

When you have answers come back and preach to us...

Bad Vilbel said...

Al Ghaddab writes:
Nasrallah-as a Lebanese "Zaim" who speaks for a large segment in Lebanese society-has every right to speak for himself and his constituency. He has his own ideas about what constitutes a united, strong and able government, just as others do, including yourself. He never said he spoke for all of you. I am sure you do not want him to speak for you or Raja.

On the contrary. When Nasrallah declared war on another country, by sending his cronies across the blue line, not only did he claim to speak for ALL Lebanese, but he also ACTED with no regard for the rest of us who, as you claim, he does not represent.

You cannot have a Zaim, as you call him, claiming to represent only his constituents, yet being the only armed faction in town, and having the power of starting a war on my behalf, or anyone else's behalf. That is not how democracies work. So spare me the thinkly veiled democracy talk.

yuval from tlv said...

i do not preach
i'm trying to make you understand the truth.

the UN resolutions about the PL and Israelis had been broken time and time again by both sides.
you cannot put all blame on Israel.
but i do think that Israel had made many mistakes with the PL though.

about your silly question - who will disarm Israel for you.
Israel is a soverign nation excepted by the entire world, except Iran. and that's a fact.

the UN resolution didn't called for the Lebanese army to be disarmed- it called for HB to be disarmed since they're not your army, they're a terror group.
but it did called Israel to with draw from Lebanon - AFTER you will agree to disarm HB.
if you won't agree to do that, then you actually not ecxepting the UN resolution, therefor Israel should with draw.

Israel had already said it'll with draw from Lebanon as soon as possible, after your gov' will do as it should.
but guess who's stoping them now??
that's right! Hezbollah!!

Muxecoid said...

Raja, what do you think is the percentage of lebanese who are thinking like you? Do people really read anti-Nasralla leaflets?

The sad thing is that HB is really victorious. This will surely lead to war against Syria. Bashar Asad already announces his plan to take Golan heights by force. As many people in Israel are dissatisfied with the existing government, there is a good chance that new Israeli PM will be rightist or ultra-rightist. You know, right-wing politicians care much less about enemy civilian casulties and ultra-rights do not care about enemy civilians at all.

yuval from tlv said...

correction -


should not with draw

line 17.

yuval from tlv said...

muxecoid -

that's right, and unfortunate.

Loli said...

al ghadab,

Nasrallah is not just expressing his opinion! I wish that was the case. He is imposing his opinion on us. His faction is the only armed group in Lebanon. This is NOT democracy. This is NOT just expressing an opinion. I think that summarizes my whole point. I can go into more details and comment on other things you wrote, but if we can't agree on this basic fact, then it is pointless for us to keep on discussing.

NassurDinHoga said...

@Raga (and actually - all other Lebanese as well)

May I ask what make you think your views about the situation reflect those of the majority in Lebanon?
I have learned through this blog and oters how diverst a society you have there, involving Shia, Suni, Marun, Druze, Christians...
Would you know what other ethnic groups in Lebanon feel? Do you have friends from other communities? Or is it close to what we have in Isreal - Jews, Druzes, Muslims and Christians living largely seperatly?

3li- said...

bad vilbell-

I got "Zaim" from Raja's post. It is not my designation for Nasrallah..

On the contrary-I believe what you say about HA's peculiar position in Lebanon is on target. I think HA and the other Lebanese have a lot to talk about. I agree with you that ultimately, only a representative and trusted central gov't shall have the authority to decide all these national issues, and that HA's military wing will have to be either disbanded or coopted into the military.

I think such a dialogue was taking place before the latest flare-up, and I also think that many people including myself have a lot of questions of HA about its decision to conduct the operation.

What happened is in the past. HA's conduct has given others ample amunitions to question it. But let us, as Lebanese, proceed rationally and responsibly, and not start sniping at each other while the enemy is till occupying our land and making threats.

Bad Vilbel said...

ghaddab,

Fair enough. But I would put forth the argument that prior to 7/12, our "dialogue" was a failure. Sure, we were talking about it, but Nasrallah and his goons were not talking back. You need 2 parties to meet halfway if you want to have a discussion about something. That was not the case. What we saw was the other Lebanese factions trying to compromise with HA, and HA simply refusing to give even an inch. The reason they could afford to do that? They were the only ones armed. Which is why I maintain that it was not really a "discussion", but more of one party dictating to the other.

Now, I'm hoping things have changed enough that we (Lebanese) can actually deal with HA without being walked on like a doormat.

I don't want to see any more snipping than you do. But I'm also tired of turning the proverbial other cheek for Hassan Nassralah and his cronies to slap around. If he's STILL not willing to REALLY dialogue with the rest of us Lebanese, it's gonna have to come to blows eventually....

tears for lebanon said...

Yes, I agree that enough is enough. However it has been reported in the news today (in US)that 4 Hez had been killed by Israel, due to fear of threat. The news did not indicate nor elaborate on what that fear/threat was.

But the point is, if Hezbollah disarms before there is international support presence, then I believe, there will be continued fighting, initiated by the Israel army toward defenseless opposition. It is extremely unbalanced at this time, Israel has increased their forces like never before( I heard to the number of 30,000)in the south.

My question is..who here would drop their own gun when someone else with a gun is pointed theirs directly at you? That is suicide. I think Hezbollah should disarm when the international support arrives and when Israel exits to the blue line. At this time, there are no rockets being launched over into Israel as of 8am, so I am told.

I think that when israel sent over triple the amount of their forces into Lebanon over the last 2 days, it was their intent to instigate this present dilema of who is violating the resolution first.

Praying harder than ever today!

Lebnese Liona said...

loli,

I read your post , and I had to reply back. You and some of the other isreali people on this blog who i would now consider friends are the reason that I decided to come back.

So thank you once again, I feel that there is hope as long as people like you are around.

To Tichondrius1,

Your threats dont scare, our country ( THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA) was based on the freedom of speech and human rights. This is not Iran where people go to prison for stating their opinions!!!!

And I will save you thr trouble , my cousin ( who was born in lebanon just like me is an FBI AGENT). Most of his time is spend trying to protect your sorry butt and mine.

So please in the future please do us a favor and try to rise above this sad state that you are at so we can have a construcive disscusion!!!

And DONT EVER question my patriotism for my country ( US), the 9 11 attack hit every arab american twice. We were targeted by the criminal bin laden as americans , then we were targeted by the backlash for being arab americans, whatever pain you felt during 9 11 duoble that for us arab americans.

I got used to your low blows, but this one is really really low and i am not going to sit back and take it!!!

tel avivi said...

i'd like to believe that there are thousands like you. i also would like to believe that the lebanese will deal with this snake (even through self sacrifice).

3li- said...

Loli-

HA's arms are a product of Israel's invasion of Lebanon, and the continuing tensions in the region, meaning they did not just decide to arm themselves out of thin air...

Please read my comment to bad vilbel to read my position on HA's arms...

I think you need to really listen to Nasrallah's speech before jumping to conclusions. He does not want to impose his position on you. But he, along with others from non-shia sects, believe that we need a trusted and unified gov't that can then authoritatively put together a viable national defense option.

Again, our different experiences in Lebanon may present challenges in us trusting each other towards that goal, but such serious and sensitive objectives of national unity and the make-up of the army for example, cannot be solved over a shouting match across talk shows and newspaper leaks. We should be more responsible that that. This is going to take a while.

Loli said...

Liona,

Very true, especially regarding 911. I couldn't have said it better.

Welcome back! Very happy to see that you're still willing to talk. We need people like you around here.

Again, I am pro-Lebanon and pro-peace. I am for pragmatic solutions. Doesn't matter how wrong or right X is, we need to limit the damage and save lives. Enough with demagoguery. This should be a good lesson to all of us.

lebclaro said...

Syria, although it has no peace treaty with Israel, does not have a military conflict with Israel at its boarders.

The border between Israel and Jordan & Egypt is save. Meaning no rocket is launched from these countries
upon Israel. And Israel does not destroy any houses, infrstructure or kills person in these countries.

Chebaa farms can be negiotated on a diplomatic level. Everyone knows that Syria only need to sign a paper
that´s not Syrian territory and Chebaa farms will be Lebanese again.

Thus, the only risk for war in Lebanon is HB and its allies.
A democratic and consensus-oriented society cannot live
in peace if its accept a state in a state and a militia.
There is no justification for provoking and attacking another
country. It is not in the interest of the Lebanese people
which suffered already too much.
No more war from Lebanese soil!! Enough.
People who are supporting HB are backward-oriented, ill-minded
and are slaves of Iran and Syria. HB´militia means war in Lebanon.
HB does not care about civilians, they use them as human shields.
Iran and Syria misuse Lebanon and HB for their sick politics.
Lebanon needs a future-oriented, free, independet government
which is aiming at peace.

Omer (israeli) said...

Al-ghad,
Lets put things on the table, Israel never invaded Lebanon to "occupy". The only reason we did stay in south lebanon in 80th and 90th was to prevent Katyusha attack, securing our safty. We acted not out of aggresion, but by self-defence. there were never settlment there, just army precense.
6 yrs later our withdraw from Lebanon blew up in our face when HA decided the fate of both our nations.
Face it. We are not the aggressor. You may say we acted diaproportionly, yes. But We didn't start this fight. We only act in face of an aggressor who broadcast his positions day and night in his own private network-tv.
When HA decided on a violent road "To solve" lebanon problems, they shoudnl't have expected a puusycat.

But the real tradegy is lebanon.
Time and time again hijacked by diffrent groups casues.
Al-ghad, If it is your cause after all, then we probebly meet on the battle field. Cause thats where Hassan is taking us.
BTW, he doesn't even have to give up arms. It can be a branch in your army. But on under direct control of the Lebanese general.

Or on the other hand, they can just giveup on trying to destroy Israel. And instead of fighting for these SMALL problems (38sqkm of land, 15 prisinors) on the battle field, Start negotiating for peace: a real one. But we all watch al-manar, and we all know, That these aren't the only issues.

Do you really belive we are such war mongers? Do you think i'm your enemy? You must be joking. 100% of israeli would want peace on their norther borders. That it. No one in Israel wants to occupy Lebanon. Even when we did, we didn't want to. It was considered a "nessecity". REALLY!
What is HA trying to do. Create another "nesscity"?

Loli said...

al ghadab,

Believe me, I want unity. I respect all confessions and rites in Lebanon. I have friends from all sides and would like to see my compatriots live peacefully. I want to see the people from South Lebanon and the Dahiyeh have homes to return to. I want an end to all the suffering. There is no such thing as shia or sunni or whatever (I am Christian, btw). They are Lebanese as much as I am and we all have the right to have a normal and decent life. I am very frustrated because this war brought nothing. Since the very beginning I knew nobody was going to win, and to see the wasted lives and the destruction frustrated me more. I hate propaganda. Both Israel and HA claim victory. Do you think I am blind or stupid? Noone won, but each one of the fighting forces has to save face value at the people's expense.

You are right, I did not listen to all Nasrallah's speech, and I may be missing something important. I also agree that we need a strong gov and army to ensure safe borders, etc. But I want to make sure Nasrallah does NOT call the shots from now on. We ask us to be responsible. Pls don't question my sense of responsibility. It is out of a deep sense of responsibility towards my compatriots and my dear country that I want an end to this war and true democracy, with no armed militia whatsoever.

Finally, you said I have warm and fuzzy feelings for Israelis. Correction: for Israelis who are pro-peace, who are able of discussing things rationally in the interest of the region. We should all make an effort to end the hostilities. We can't achieve peace alone. We need Israel to want peace. If you show them hatred or act like it, and if you don't establish dialogue with them, then good luck achieving anything positive. Peace is everyone's responsibility and should start in each home, not just among politicians. Stop the hatred and demagoguery, and the world would be in a better state.
I find it unacceptable that Nasrallah addresses a huge crowd shouting: Al mawtu li Israel. And the crowd shouting back, with so much hatred. What do you except? A delivery of red roses from tel aviv?

Lebnese Liona said...

omer,

I fully agree with what you are saying.

But, on the ground, there is a lot of mistrust and rightfully so between HB and ISREAL.

I have no doubt that HB will lay down the arms, but they are trying to get garantees that they wont get slaughterd if they do.

I do beleive from the bottom of my heart that they will dirarm, but I am also realistic in my expactations and know that it will take time to achive that goal.

So to all the critics please give this matter time, this is a very sensitive issue and as a democratic country we are going thru a healthy dialogue about this issue.

If HB was that criminal of an organization they could have easily started a civil war just to maintain there arms.

But they did not and dont believe they would.

Dont forget about the 7 pts that PM seniora presented to the UN, these points still need to be addressed!!!

3li- said...

tmaOmer-

The speactacle in Palestine and what you've done to the Palestinians and continue to do to them does not make me trust you much unfortunately..

Our own experience with your arbitrary, vicious heavy-handedness is not easily forgotten either.

After 1982 there were no Palestinian fighters anymore in Lebanon, but you decided to overstay your welcome. Why?

How long were you going to stay to "preempt" possible kayushas being lobbed into Israel from a group that never existed before you invaded? Please....

Lebnese Liona said...

loli,

You do have a point in your last statement about Sheik nassrallah.

I dont think that he should start his speech like that.

I think that its also part of the mentality.

Death, destruction, assisinations from isreal is what the poeple in the south are used to.

So, it will take time, things will change , but it will take time.

We as a young country, lebanon is going thru a phase that it has never been before in the search for its true identity.

So it will take time, please be patient and give nassralla the benefit of the doubt for now ...

tears for lebanon said...

Liona
You are right. I believe that it would be suicide if they disarm at this time. There is not any international monitoring in the south yet. Without this monitoring, who is going to say whether or not aggressions, much alike the one this morning after the resolution took effect, will be defensive (as their right as stated by 1701) or in fact if aggressions were offensive/vengeful against the defenseless opposition. I believe with the presence of UNIFIL, Hez will disarm. I believe this because the rocket aggressions have yielded. If it was not the case/intentions of Hez to disarm, there would still be rockets launching at this hour.

You are not alone Liona...stay on here!

3li- said...

bad vilbel-

Internal strife in Lebanon will not solve anything other than destroy us once and for all. I don't believe any Lebanese will go down that route again. We paid too dear a price already.

Whatever happens, I hope we are all that much smarter than that..

Omer (israeli) said...

liona,
There is alot of mistrust from both sides.

But for me, making deals with a goverment that can't control it southern border is useless.

Nasrallah, hates us and he is willing to produce "martyers" for it. Its not about Shebba farms alone: Its about Pl's, Its about Iran and Its about isreal very own existance. Anything to keep the heat comming. Boil it at schools, produce it on al-manar, cook it in the mosque. And wallah, lets fight these non-human dogs.

Anyway thats how it looks from here.

dougjnn said...

ebnese Liona said...

I think you and I both know that our army cannt defend us from an isreali agression right now, that does not mean that it cant in the future.

The best defense against Israeli aggression is to not attack Israel, or let militias do it from within your borders – and to not let a vast rocket arsenal build up whose only use, given it’s inaccuracies, is as a terror weapon against civilians, especially when it’s in the hands of an Islamist group and leader that are dedicated to chasing Israel out of the middle east one way or another.

Syria can’t defend itself against Israel at all effectively, and neither can Jordan but Israel hasn’t been attacking either country for a long, long time. Why, they haven’t attacked Israel.

Israel is past it’s expansion dreaming stage. There is lots of controversy over how much of the West Bank to give up but there’s no appetite for any occupation elsewhere. Certainly not in Lebanon, where Israel knows full well that any lengthy occupation would simply breed renewed and effective guerilla warfare against it.

Loli said...

Liona,

I am willing to give Nasrallah the benefit of the doubt, and he'd better not reignite hostilites, or he will have the wrath of Israel and lots of us Lebanese.

Yohay Elam said...

I agree with you. Nasrallah is terrible and Hizbullah does a lot of damage mostly to Lebanon.
I also hope that in Israel, the people will throw the current leadership away. It failed in running the waw and failed in helping the civilians in the north.

Lebnese Liona said...

Omer,

come on man you are better then that......


LOOK, yes Isreal and nassrallah have major blood between them, but I truly believe that nassrallh as a lebanese will put his national duty before his personal ones.


Hey , If I am willing to see past Olmert's barbaric response to this conflict , you should be able to get past nassralah..

isnt that why we are having this disscusion so we can see each others point?

Shmulik said...

Tears for Lebanon

I am willing to bet whatever sum you are willing to match that even after the UN/LAF arriving to the south hzb won't disarm. No matter what excuse they may find (prisoners, Sheeba farms, Al-Aqsa, palestinians, arab solidarity, muslim brotherhood and so on) they won't disarm willingly.

dougjnn said...

Al-Ghadabulsaati3 said...

Who will dsarm Israel for us?

Nobody is talking about disarming Lebanon.

The world is talking about disarming Hezbollah, which recklessly used it’s rockets to help drag Lebanon into this conflict.

The point isn't leaving Lebanon defenseless (although realistically you don't have much prospect of being about to counter Israeli airpower, just as not many countries can counter American airpower and other military might.) Get Hezbollah to hand it's arms over to the Lebanese Army.

The point is making sure arms that can get you into a war are in the hands of a responsible government that will take all the country's interests into account before starting one.

Lebnese Liona said...

scmulik,

i will take you up on our offer , but what is the time frame we are talking about?

D.B. Shobrawy said...

The promise of "weapons with great capabilities" proved false a very long time ago! I believe Nasrallah has become a hero to the very desperate in the Middle East and has proved to be a completely imcompitent fool to the sensible in the Middle East. (and around the world)

dougjnn said...

Al-Ghadabulsaati3 said...

I think you need to really listen to Nasrallah's speech before jumping to conclusions. He does not want to impose his position on you. But he, along with others from non-shia sects, believe that we need a trusted and unified gov't that can then authoritatively put together a viable national defense option.

Hezbollah has two types of weapons, from a strategic standpoint, 1) terror weapons (longer range inaccurate rockets), and invasion resistance (and civil war fighting) weapons – the rest, including anti tank rockets and infantry arms.

Siniora and the rest of Lebanese society should press Hezbollah for a phased disarming. First to show go faith they should give up their Katyusha and longer range terror rockets, which are a large part of why Israel counter-attacked (in truth by far the largest part of why and especially why it went on so long). They should agree to not resist the Lebanese army with foreign assistance guarding the borders and ports to enforce the embargo of new arms for militias. In the second phase if Israel agrees to the keep points of the Siniora 7 point plan including the prisoner exchange, the landmine map, and agrees to hand over Shebaa farms once Hezbollah has in fact disarmed, the ONCE ISRAEL has completely withdrawn from all of Lebanon other than Shebaa Hezbollah should begin completely disarming. It should do so by handing it’s equipment over to the Lebanese army. Hezbollah fighters can also train the Lebanese army and become integrated into it, but not as separate units. When the disarming is verified by UNIFIL lead by the French, Shebaa farms is transferred to Lebanese army control.

Bad Vilbel said...

Al-ghadab writes:

Internal strife in Lebanon will not solve anything other than destroy us once and for all. I don't believe any Lebanese will go down that route again. We paid too dear a price already.

Whatever happens, I hope we are all that much smarter than that..


You know, a month ago, I was saying the exact same thing. Now, I'm not so sure.

For starters, I don't think the alternative is much better for Lebanon. An armed Hezballah (as we saw for the past month) results in the exact same end result: Destruction.

And next time it won't be "restrained".

Secondly, you say no Lebanese is willing to go down that path. I'm afraid Nasrallah begs to differ with you. He's already gone down that path and continues to do so.

Last, I don't really see an upcoming conflict as civil strife in the same manner as 1976-1990.
I see it more as a HA against the rest of the world. The parameters are a bit different. I think most of the anti-HA Lebanese are united this time, and have the legitimacy of the state behind them.

Having said that, you're right. I don't want to see another civil war. And I know that having one will destroy Lebanon once and for all.
I'm simply stating that the "appeasment" of HA is gonna result in the exact same outcome, in my opinion. In other words, it's not a "lesser of 2 evils" (which is what the Lebanese have been thinking since 2000).

Shmulik said...

Tears for Lebanon

in 7-10 days UN peacekeepers will begin to arrive in force. Let us say that in less than two weeks no israeli soldier will remain across the blue line. Let's say a month?

3li- said...

Loli-

The hatred goes both ways. Israel keeps calling HA, a representative of over a third of Lebanon's population and a party in Lebanon’s gov’t, a terrorist group and calls for its extermination. They did it today, and called for the assassination HA's leadrs.

The last Mossad-funded and equipped assassination group caught in May had already killed two HA leaders in the Bekka, and another two Palestinians on Lebanese soil.

Who does not want peace? But what did peaceful dialogue get the Palestinians? Of course war got them nothing either, but what is the solution? You tell me...

I think we need to engage in peaceful dialogue, but we also need to be strong to ask for our rights. All Israelis know that the "existential threat" HA poses to Israel, all rhetoric aside, is nothing but nonsense. They decry the Katyushas that killed 17 civilians, but bomb us into oblivion and kill more than a thousand of us.

Lebanon has rights Israel needs to relinquish. Land, prisoners, maps of mines, cessation of violations of sovereignty. They had six years to give them back-why didn’t they?

What does Israel want, not threaten them with the scary Katyushas? Just give us our rights back, without knit picking every thing to death, literally, and when HA, or any Lebanese tries to lob a Katyusha at you come talk to us. I think that would be peace.

Lebnese Liona said...

dougjnn,

sounds good in theory if you were playing a computer game.

Unfortunatly this is not a computer game, and there is a little complexity that you need to understand before coming up with the silver bullet!!!

Omer (israeli) said...

Liona,

We do have alot of mistrusts about what HA intesions are.

BTW, according to 1701 , resolution HA need only to disarm from south of the litani at first.

tears for lebanon said...

shmulik

I hope I am right and you are wrong. I still believe that it is good faith on part of Hez to adhere to the resolution on this date. This gives me hope that they are in support of ending this crisis and will disarm when the 'world monitors' arrive.

All the 'excuses' that you mention are still on the table as we speak at this minute, but yet, Hezbollah is not launching rockets today. You can not expect Hez to disarm while there are barrels directed at them by 30,000 soldiers.

Maybe I am delusional, but I'll take your bet...set your stakes.

Loli said...

al ghadab,

I have no control over Israel's policy and public opinion, so they can spew as much hatred as they can, I won't be able to do anything to stop them, except not reciprocate. HA has two cabinet members, and it is their duty to respect the majority and the will of the people. When Nasrallah shouts death messages to Israel, he is looking for trouble, and this doesn't match the opinion and wishes of teh rest of the Lebanese.

You claim Israel doesn't want peace. Why are Jordan and Egypt living in peace then? As for Shebaa farms and the other interests HA claims to defend, let the gov handle them. It is not HA's job. Israel may want to hang on to them as a negotiation card towards the disarmement of HA or signing a peace treaty. You ask Israel. I don't know the exact answer. All I know is that by constantly shouting death slogans to Israel and refusing to hand over its arms to the gov, HA is making things worse. Enough is enough.

dougjnn said...

Lebnese Liona said...

there is a little complexity that you need to understand before coming up with the silver bullet!!!

I understand quite a bit more of the history and complexity of Lebanon than it sounds like you think I do. Why Hezbollah is popular among the Shi’a, why they feel excluded, the endless making and breaking of alliances between the multiplicity of sects and confessions and so on, how sick the country is of the 15 year civil war that only ended 15 years ago, the problems of the Syrian occupation, and so on.

The scenario I posted was just a though exercise on getting around some of the claims and excuses Hez has for keeping it’s arms and not doing anything about disarming for a long time. There still the work in trying to assemble a united from in politically pressuring them to at least begin the process.

Shmulik said...

Tears for Lebanon

I hope that I am wrong too. I am not sure we can collect on a bet. Unless you have a way I am willing to meet here in a month and see who is right. No one (including resolution 1701) expects HZB to dismantle tomarrow, however I (and most israelis I think), believe that although one facet of HZB is a "legitamate" resistance organization the other facet is a pan islamic "terrorist" organization. Why hasn't HZB disarmed since 2000? Why didn't they kidnap syrian soldiers to release lebanese prisoners in Damascus and only care about Kuntar the child-murderer? Did they fight the syrian occupation at all?? Did they hand over maps of their own land mines and booby-traps in the south to the lebanese goverment?

NassurDinHoga said...

@shmulik, Tears for Lebanon

There is one thing sure to happen in one month - HA will claim it did disarm south to the Litani, Israel will claim the opposite.

I take Shmulik's point of view, putting 1000 Egyptian Liras on the table, and declairing Al-Jazzeera.net as my objective referree as to who was or wasn't disarm.

3li- said...

Loli-

Jordan and Egypt got their land back. No reason not to have peace.

And it seems to me you want to ignore Israel's part in this and only ask us to bear our responsibility. Why is that?

You provide rational to their holding our land, why? Why does it matter to you what purpose they have for holding them, don't you think they should just give them up? Is it not our right?

There are Israelis listening to you on this blog and you talk to them all the time, what's wrong with asking them to own up to their nation's responsibility as well? I have not read once that you ask them to give us what belongs to us, but you are very quick in jumping on us instead?

Are we the ones agitating them? Have you lived in the South? Have you heard an Israeli jet fly and break the sound barrier over your head thousands of times a year? How would the Israelis like it if we did the same to them?

So now shouting death threats has become the biggest issue confronting us, and the reason the Israelis will not leave us alone?

Shmulik said...

Nassurdinhoga, Tears for Lebanon

I am willing to put in 500 israeli Shekels and I consider it the best bet I have ever made (although I hope I will lose). There are only 2 questions.
1)Al-Jazeera objective? I don't know.
2)How do we collect?

Chris from lebanon said...

The coming days are crucial for lebanon as a democratic state and for all lebanese as free people.

I think the task that lies a head will either reunite the country under one government and one constitution
or it will take a detour towards civil war at which end lot of dead people and the disarmement of Hezbollah.

If i was nasrallah who claims to be a real lebanese, i will elect the first option. At the outset, Hezbollah will be disarmed so might as well do it peacefuly.

But if i had to wage a bet on this, i will go for the second option since i truely beleive that nasrallah is an Iranian not a lebanese.

abou al jamejem said...

Guys, it's easy, Hasan Neserall do not want to disarm, he is hiding in his bunker like a rat while the rest of Lebanon is suffering, but he's going to meet his fate one day. I would like to say it again, Fuck Hasan Neseralla, Fuck Ahmadinajad, Fuck Bachar al Assad,Fuck Iran, Fuck syria, Fuck Lahood, fuck Khemenie, and fuck all the HA supporters because they are bunch of Idiots who destroyed Lebanon by their actions.

Loli said...

al-ghadab,

No I haven't lived in the South, and I may be understating the suffering of the population there.
Also, you are right, I never asked the Israelis here why they did not hand the Shebaa Farms and the prisoners. But I never hesitated to criticize their aggression and brutality. I believe the shebaa farms and the other issues are but a pretext HA uses to keep its military wing. The gov should negotiate these issues through the UN. HA has no business doing so. And please, don't question my patriotism, no matter what. Not supporting HA's motives and policy has nothing to do with being a patriot or not. Please don't mix things up.

abou al jamejem said...

To know that HA uses civilians as human shields u should watch this speech by Hasen Neserally in it he describes how civilians contribute to the battle. this tape is in arabic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2gqe03KTmQ&mode=related&search=

Loli said...

Chris from Lebanon,

I hope Nasrallah will be sensible and avoid the worse by complying with the wish of the gov.

Contrary to you though, I don't think there will be a civil war. I think people are very reluctant to go through that path again.

Chris from lebanon said...

Most of the lebanese population including some shia are fed up with Hezbollah.

On the street near where i live, people are waiting to see what the army will do to disarm Hezb.

Beleive me, lot of things will happen if the government hesitate or if the army splits.

We are ready for all eventualities. Hezb will not celebrate long the destruction of lebanon like they did a couple of hours ago.

None of us appreciated the fireworks and the celebration they put on in their district.

Thats a shame.

Loli said...

Chris,

I do hope you're wrong. It is extremely sad...

Chris from lebanon said...

No loli, we are more and more facing crossroards.

I fought the civil war. I saw friends 18,19 die for this country.

At that time, no one understood why we fought. This time, we have the international community behind us.

If hezb don't comply to the army and the state, then we have no state and no country anymore, thus no identity...and beleive me no one wants to live without an identity.

We will make sure the world and Hezb will see our lebanese Identity once and for all

Shmulik said...

Loli

I will answer the questions you didn't ask (thats my private opinion but I believe that's what most israelis think).
1)The prisoners. Now we have captured some HZB men in the fighting but as of 12/7/06 there were two lebanese prisoners in israeli jails. Both are NOT prisoners of war. They are criminals (tried by a cort of law) caught inside Israel while murdering civilians (in the case of Kuntar this includes bashing the head of a 4 year old girl). Why do you think they should go free? Legaly and morally they are not POWs, never the less I think that in the case of a real peace agreement they will be released if you want it (the question is WHY do you want such man back??).
2) Sheeba farms according to the UN is not a part of Lebanon. Why doesn't Syria gives you the maps that prove they are yours. The fact that you claim they are yours doesn't make it so. What if tomarrow Nasralah claims Nahariah is lebanese because of some obscure ottoman law? Convince the UN that it's really yours and get it back in an agreement and not as a reward to HZB militant/terroist tactics.

Chris from lebanon said...

At that time, Arafat said in the papers `` no zouzou ar coco ar joujou`` will make us leave lebanon.

That was the biggest mistake he made.

Lawyers, ingeneers, doctors, all of us kids took arms and systematicly cleanes them out of their camps and caves.

No one expected we would be able to do that. Hezb will have the surprise of its life once now that we wokw up.

Like raja said..enough is enough. We want our country back.

3li- said...

Wow-

Chris from Lebanon-Aboujamajem-

You guys are itching for a fight-

I hope there are people smarter than you in Lebanon and who truly care about their nation-otherwise you and your types will finish the job that Israel did not complete...

NassurDinHoga said...

@ al-ghadabulsaati3, I'm just adding some facts to your post.

Jordan didn't get any land from Israel, just water.
Egypt didn't get all their land back either - it was smart enough to leave Gaza in Israel.
Egypt by the way is violating the peace agreement in every possible way saving a declaration of war. What we have with Egypt is not peace, it's only "not war".

Syria is a border you chose to forget, and you did well. The Syrian border is quiet, even though we obviously have a territorial conflict there. I'll let the others guess how come.

Sheba farms were to be discussed after the implantation of 1501. According to UN it belongs to Syria.
Samir Quntar was to be released for information about Ron Arrad. Non of this ever hapened.

Enough material for one post.

Chris from lebanon said...

U bet al-ghada...we will finish the job.

We will make sure hezb don't celebrate the destruction of lebanon and the dead of many innocent people.

Omer (israeli) said...

Al-ghad,
What "sound-boom" barriers? I understood it were drones, not F-16.
But yes the rethorics of HA do bare a responsibility. Nasrallah was saying he will attack us. The drones were there to spy on a group that declared its aggressive intesions. And eventualy acted upon them. You can dispute the legitimacy of drones. but then again HA were a threat, in their own words.
I thought it was just rethorics back then, belive me, i was supprised when HA finally attacked in June 12. Frankly, i thought they are smarter then that.

Loli said...

Shmulik,

Trust me, I don't want someone like Samir Kuntar, but criminals get extradited, and this should happen at some point.

As for the other prisoners and the Shebaa Farms, I think it's our government's responsibility to get them back, not HA's.

Chris from lebanon said...

Al-ghad,

I also say the hell with the paletenian cause, the iranian power trip and the syrians inferiority complex.

all that brought the destruction of our country 3 times already. Well will build it once more only this time it will be cleaned up of all fanatism and hatred.

Shmulik said...

Loli

Extradition means the criminal moves from one country to another but stays in jail. I am sure that if the lebanese government will say they want Kuntar to be locked away in a lebanese prison I will be more than glad that they won't use my tax money to feed him.

Chris from lebanon said...

In my opinion, a criminal like that can dry in any prison even if that is in Africa...as long as he stays locked up.

Actualy, i wouldn't spend an ounce of my energy to negotiate nothing related to that monster.

Loli said...

I just saw Nasrallah's video.

HOw can people claim HA is fighting for Lebanon?
why didn't Nasrallah say "Labbayka ya Loubnan"?

My questions are rhetoric. No need for an answer.

Loli said...

Yeah, I agree regarding Kuntar. He's a shame to my country and my people.

Shmulik said...

This is the real irony of the situation. No arab country bordering Israel has such minor (relativly speaking) issues with Israel than Lebanon. Until the PLO came in th 70s not a single bullet was fired from any side of the border.

Michael said...

I just heard on the news that, over the last hour HA fired 10 Katusha (sp?) rockets into southern Lebanon. And that the reporter could hear Apache’s flying over towards Lebanon.

Has this cease fired ended already?

Chris from lebanon said...

Michael

Absolutely right about that. We just got the news.

Chris from lebanon said...

Wake up people.

Nassrallah is NOT a lebanese patriot. He is working for foreign interests.

I just hope that some of his true lebanese followers will see the true face os the beast.

tears for lebanon said...

Shmulik

I am a poor social worker....can u tell me in American dollars how much am i waging when u convert 500 shekels?
Will I have to sell my house ;)
See you back here in a month!

tears for lebanon said...

Nassurdinhoga

Sorry...I also dont know the conversion to Eygptian liras...but I agree to ur terms. AlJazeera it is and see ya in a month.

Shmulik said...

Tears for Lebanon

500 Shekels is about 110 US dollars. Don't worry I don't intend on a trip to Lebanon to collect any time soon. I hope to see you here in the meantime and we'll see what happens in a month. Good night.

NassurDinHoga said...

Tables are closed for the night!

@shmulik, Tears and me,
let us close the bat on 100 nice green oiled US dollars for each.
Since I've taken Shmulik's side, it goes like this - If HA disarms in one month, Tears gets 200 $ (and her invested 100$). Otherwise, we Israelis split and get 50 $ each.

So bookies have it that it's 2:3 that HA doesn't disarm. Like those odds!

In case of insolvable confussion regarding the question of "who the hell was disarmed here?!", the 300$ will go to a pre-agreed charity, prefferably in Lebanon.

Deal?

Chas said...

Raja
I am so happy that the ceasefire is holding and that people will get a chance to rebuild their homes and their lives.
And, Raja, I completely agree that the real battle for Lebanon has just begun. Up to now your fate has been in the hands of others, not all with your best interests at heart.
Now it is up to you.
As for Nasrallah, I know you will not like this, but it might be wiser to let him crow for a while. The man thrives on conflict and directly confonting him at this time could be counterproductive.
At the correct moment, when you sense people are growing weary of his ego, you could point out that he is performing his victory dance on top of a pile of rubble that still contains the corpses of his fellow Lebanese.
And, this is very important, you must find a way to oppose him without showing disrespect for the Hezbollah fighters. (Believe me, i know how this must sound to you, but please bear with me)
Right now the future of Lebanon depends on democratic forces regaining control and as far as the south is concerned truly gaining control for the first time. The balance is very fine. Siccess depends critically on undercutting Nasrallah's support. The only way to do that is to see Hezbollah not as an organization, but as a collection of individuals who need to be won over one at a time. Direct confrontation will simply make them close ranks. Some will already have doubts and concerns .. they are not blind to the destruction all around them. If you make them close ranks, those few will no longer be accessible. To create unity now it is essential to use dialogue and persausion, to be aware of the feelings of the Hez, as individuals and empathise with them as human beings, without rancour or bitterness.

Remember that Nasrallah knows how to provoke and win a conflict. Do not allow yourselves to be provoked. Real peace is hard work.

with all my hearrt I wish you success

Chas

Andrey said...

Asad said that if they wouldn't succeed to free Golan through peace talks, they would be liberated by siryan force. Now thats a grate chance for Israel to give golan for peace, even against american will, including shabaa. That would brake Iranian link to HA, and bring peace to siryan and lebanese border (of course after exchange of prisoners, and maps to lebanon). This way Asad would look very dignified to his people (rais bashar - you remined me of nazer !!!), and that's wat he wants (IMHO).

Dimitry said...

It is still eludes me how some one can claim, at the same time, that he supports the state of Lebanon, and that he supports the existance of an armed force within Lebanon that isn't under the government's control. I'm sorry, but this doesn't compute. Admire the HA until tommorow, but if you insist on their independance from the Lebanese government, you're opposing the Lebanese soverignity. This position is like being a feminist that doesn't want women to have a vote.


Regarding Shabaa - a question: why didn't Syria ever sign a document that says it has no claims on Shebaa Farms? Why did they refuse the UN's demand from not long ago to submit the border they claim? Hmm?

tears for lebanon said...

nassurdinhoga

It is a deal. I will donate my money to the red cross lebanon fund when i win or if there is a draw. Here's to hoping you lose and peace prevails!

Good night cousin. Salam.

Sherri said...

How can anyone reasonably expect Nasarallah just to agree to disarm Hizbullah?

If they do that,Hizbullah, they just sign their death warrants.

They just sit there waiting for targeted assasinations by the Israeli government.

And have no defense the next time Israel decides to massacre the civilians of Lebanon.

Remember, this is the 7th time Israel has destroyed Lebanon.

kufir and proud said...

hmm sherri you say 7th time Israel has destroyed Lebanon... so WTF? you think Hezbollah would be able to prevent an 8th? Face it Hezbollah would be far FAR more likely to PROVOKE that 8th. Sheesh

Sherri said...

kufir and proud,

Hizbullah was born as a resistance group, a resistance group to Israel's occupation of and aggression against Lebanon.


Presently, Israel still occupies Lebanon. And I see no signs they have given up their pattern of aggression in Lebanon. They also continue to control air and sea access into Lebanon.

There remains reasons for Hizbullah to stay armed and remain in their role as a Resistance group in Lebanon.

In addition, there are unresolved issues involoving Israel's occupation of Sheeba Farms and Prisoners being held by Israel.

I do not believe Hizbullah is responsible for starting the present conflict, either. I think this was a planned war by Israel, and the United States may have been a part of the plans as well.
Prior to Hizbullah kidnapping soldiers on July 12, there had been kidnapping of individuals within Lebanon by Israel. Both sides had been involved in other kidnapping activities in the past 6 years and none of those prior events had triggered a war.

Israel was responsible for the killing of the over 1000 innocent civilians in Lebanon, who they threw US bombs on. In the occupation that began in 1982, Israel massacred over 20,000 people in Lebanon, most of them civilians.

Israel is currently under investigation by the United Nations for the war crimes they committed against the childen and other innocent civilians of Lebanon in this 7th invasion of Lebanon.

Hizbullah may not be able to prevent an eigth massacre by Israel, but they do not have to just sit back and die. They have a right to fight back.

newyorkdog said...

I might well be ignorant, but will someone please inform me about the other six times Israel supposedly destroyed Lebanon.
thanks.

Sherri said...

I had read this was the seventh invasion, but I cannot identify seven invasions from the historical account I found. In 1943, Lebanon acheived its independence from France. At that time, the population was 51% Christian and 49% Muslim. In 1948, tens of thousands of Palestinians entered Lebanon, fleeing from war and violence between Palestinian Arabs and European Jews. After its establishment in 1948, Israel prohibited the return of the majority of the refugees who fled or had been forcibly driven out in violation of United Nations General Assembly Resolution 194. (one of the 66-68 United Nations Resolutions Israel has yet to abide by). The problems Lebanon has had with Israel began from the Palestininan entry into the country.

In looking up Lebanon history, I find references to 2 full scale prior invasions. One occurred in 1978. In reprisal for a Palestinian attack into its territory, Israel lanched a major invasion of Lebanon, occupying land as far north as the Litani River.

In 1982, a full scale invasion of Lebanon was launched and a 18 year occupation followed.

I also read of an Israeli raid on Beirut Airport destroying 13 civilian planes in 1968, in retaliation for an attack by 2 members of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP).

In 1973, Israeli commandos raided Beirut and killed 3 Palestinian leaders, close associates of Arafat.

There was a civil war in Lebanon between 1975 and 1990.

Can anyone provide more historical information?

anthonyb said...

Sherri - Hizbollah was formed by Khomeneis Revolutionary Army, from IRAN.

I'll let someone else set you straight about Israel in Lebanon. Let us just say that 7 destructions is BS, stop reading propaganda spouted by some guy in his boxer shorts in Wyoming.

Sherri said...

anthonyb,
Hizbollah is a political group that represents the Shiite Muslims in Lebanon, the country's single largest community, that consists of approximately 40% of the population. This includes men, women, and children and communities in South Lebanon and populations in the southern suburbs of Beirut. The remaining largest two groups in Lebanon are Christians and Sunni Muslims.

Hizbollah do not simply represent Iranian interests. As stated, they are Lebanese and make up 40% of the population of Lebanon. What they share with Iran is the same religion, Iran being 98% Shiiite Muslims. Iran is not an Arab country, it is Persian. Hizbollah is an Arab political group.

I think the 7 destructions might take into account destructions from civil wars, too. I do not know what Wyoming has to do with anything?

Paul Edwards said...

sherri, you are a Nazi.

"Hizbullah was born as a resistance group, a resistance group to Israel's occupation of and aggression against Lebanon."

Israel did not commit aggression against Lebanon, it acted in SELF-DEFENCE.

"Presently, Israel still occupies Lebanon."

Again, out of SELF-DEFENCE. You don't want Israel to defend itself because you are a Nazi that rejoices in Israeli deaths.

"And I see no signs they have given up their pattern of aggression in Lebanon."

You see no signs because you are blinded by your anti-Jewish hatred, which you were indoctrinated with as a child. A form of child abuse.

"They also continue to control air and sea access into Lebanon."

Yes, that was part of their defensive war against the Hizbullah Nazis which you support.

"There remains reasons for Hizbullah to stay armed and remain in their role as a Resistance group in Lebanon."

No, there's no reason for Nazis to exist on your territory except to provoke wars with Israel.

"In addition, there are unresolved issues involoving Israel's occupation of Sheeba Farms"

That WAS Syrian territory, not Lebanese. Israel withdrew to the internationally recognized border in 2000. You're just playing Nazi games.

"and Prisoners being held by Israel."

MURDERERS being held by Israel. Why do you care about a child-murderer? Is it because he killed a Jewish child, so he's a hero in your book? More of your Nazism showing.

"I do not believe Hizbullah is responsible for starting the present conflict, either."

That's because you're wilfully blind because you see the world through your Nazi glasses.

"Prior to Hizbullah kidnapping soldiers on July 12, there had been kidnapping of individuals within Lebanon by Israel."

Israel has a right to defend itself from Nazis. Nazis have no right to engage in acts of war against Israel.

"Both sides had been involved in other kidnapping activities in the past 6 years and none of those prior events had triggered a war."

So? This was the straw that broke the camel's back. Israel withdrew in 2000, as the US requested, in order to give "peace a chance". It didn't get peace, it got war. In hindsight, it shouldn't have withdrawn in 2000.

"Israel was responsible for the killing of the over 1000 innocent civilians in Lebanon, who they threw US bombs on."

No, Hizbullah is responsible for those deaths, because it hid amongst civilians, using them as human shields, like the cowards they are.

"In the occupation that began in 1982, Israel massacred over 20,000 people in Lebanon, most of them civilians."

Israel doesn't target civilians. If civilians are ACCIDENTALLY killed by Israel, you should learn a lesson of not provoking Israel in the first place.

"Israel is currently under investigation by the United Nations for the war crimes they committed against the childen and other innocent civilians of Lebanon in this 7th invasion of Lebanon."

Being under investigation doesn't mean guilt. It is quite proper to investigate to make sure that war crimes are not committed. It is good to have checks and balances. Now what do you say about the 3000 war crimes that Hizbullah committed, deliberately trying to kill as many Jewish civilians as they could? Oh, they don't count right? They're only filthy Jews.

"Hizbullah may not be able to prevent an eigth massacre by Israel"

They have the ability to provoke it though.

"but they do not have to just sit back and die."

They don't need to sit back and die, they need to get civilian jobs instead of terrorist roles.

"They have a right to fight back."

They're not fighting "back", they are INITIATING HOSTILITIES. It wasn't meant to be like this. Part of the agreement of the Israelis pulling out in 2000 was that the Lebanese armed forces would be the ones patrolling the southern border. Lebanon violated that agreement, and is responsible for the consequences.

Your society will never advance while ever you refuse to engage in self-criticism. You will just be hate-mongering Nazis, blaming the Jews for everything, and getting nowhere. The Israelis are part of the free world. There's no reason why Lebanon can't be ALLIED with Israel. Israel protected Jordan from Syrian invasion, and could protect Lebanon from Syrian invasion too. If only you weren't such a bunch of hate-mongering Nazis spewing propaganda.

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ME said...

Please stopped all of you every body talk about HEZ and his leader where you are when any attack on Lebanon happen where you were on 1982 invasion before you open your mouth and if you don’t know the history of Lebanon go check it out I don’t know how old you are but let me tell I lived all Lebanon wars and I know every incidents that happened so go back to 1982 invasion and for your knowledge in that year after Israel left Beirut and the peace keeper to place after little while Israel invade Beirut again they didn’t care about the peace keepers or any thing else before 1982 same things they done they always break cease fire they fly them war plane over Lebanon any time the bombed lots of times every where there is a innocent civilian in war time or no war time go look at the past go check them history go see how they build Israel on the people life go look for (dar yaseen massacre) and every massacre go read the history of Israel first leaders go read the history of Lebanon and see why we have this wars not because any country else like you here from the American news and the Israel news we fights for Lebanon and all the war against Israel they created to us why we hold are life behind are guns what do you think we like to die we don’t have family we don’t like to enjoy life but we giving all up are life to defend Lebanon and make stand always free and proud you are Lebanese .
I don’t know how you think every body want HEZ to drop them guns right away why do you think it is over yet Israel still in Lebanon are airspace and sea still under siege from Israel so that mean as always done in the past they wait to till HEZ give up them gun the Israel go back and take what they couldn’t take in this war because HEZ power so after HEZ disarmed they attack again and claim victory that’s the dream they have these days that’s way HEZ kipping them guns till every thing be solved and when there is no more any threat to Lebanon that’s mean and the logic HEZ disarm is the last thing should be done and don’t worry HEZ they want to live normal life and they made a deal with GENERAL MECHEAL AOUN to give up them guns that’s before this war …
And stop talking religion and parties what do you know instead you accusing HEZ go look why they destroy are Lebanon because people like you if you don’t like your country and you do want to defend it so get out of Lebanon and find a different country Lebanon don’t need you and don’t need people like you we welling to stay and die to make sure Lebanon live free for ever …
Please you make me sick you repeating are enemy new and idea look at this link and you will know why it is all happen

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060821fa_fact

http://www.wrmea.com/archives/May-June_2006/0605014.html

Look and open your eyes all of you

Muxecoid said...

Thousands of Israeli soldiers signed petition demanding to continue the war. Voices demanding to impeach the government are getting stronger. If Lebanon fails to disarm HB really fast next government will surely fight another war against HB and coming rightist government will not care about enemy civilian casualties. So the only way for Lebanon is to make world think that HB is not victorious.

dunes said...

i hope you will get what you want raja as it is what i want
i want peace in the middle east and the florish of both israel and lebanon
PS : its nice to see war mongers such as liona coming around, who know maybee some day she will support peace.

Ariya said...

It's going to be oblivion, I'm afraid...

Paul Edwards said...

me, you live in the Arab fantasy world where Hizbullah managed to kick out Israel and is the only thing stopping Israel from reconquering your country. Reality is that Israel can EASILY conquer the WHOLE of Lebanon if it wants to. Hizbullah is just a minor obstacle. If you want peace, disarm Hizbullah. If you want war, that's fine too. We'll let Israel finish the job this time. The only thing you nutcases understand is force.

dunes said...

me: your an igonrant clown
now go play with the rest of the kids in the sand box
PS: learn some history.

Omer (israeli) said...

Sherri,
"I do not believe Hizbullah is responsible for starting the present conflict, either."

Thats a matter of belief not facts.

"1. How can anyone reasonably expect Nasarallah just to agree to disarm Hizbullah?

2. If they do that,Hizbullah, they just sign their death warrants.

3. They just sit there waiting for targeted assasinations by the Israeli government.

4. And have no defense the next time Israel decides to massacre the civilians of Lebanon."

1. I see your point. I do belive its more logical for HA to disarm withou Israel still on Lebanese land (not including Shebba). The BIG question is will they? Or will they just keep smuggling arms and undermining their goverment?

2. They dont. If they stop fighting Israel, there will be no reason to fight them back

3. Same as before. If Those leaders wern't bent on attacking Israel, and have means and motivation to do so, Then there would be no reason to attack them.

4. Israel never decied to massacre civilians in lebanon. Or do you think we need blood to cook our Matzas? Israel never said it was fighting Lebanon. It is fighting HA which is using violent tactics for what ever reason, just or not, should not expect Israel to just "look over" it.
If anything civilian casulties are both problamtic internationly and problamtic for israel internal politics.

I do belive thou, that if Olmert did do war crimes delibertly he should be judged. But then again so should Nassrallah twice: once for endagering his own civilians (HA tatctics), secondly for firing delibertly on civilians in Israel.

Omer (israeli) said...

"IDF withdrawal from southern Lebanon begins"

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3291373,00.html

Eran Tel-Aviv said...

Al ghada and all the rest of Nassrala's cronies and supporters. We down south in the Phlastine al muchtala don't want an inch or a nanometer of your god forsaken country. For 20 years between 1949-1969 there was a truce between our countries - the armistice held even through the rough days of 1967. Not a shot along the long frontier even friendships were struck between farmers on both sides of the fence. But then your country decided to commit geopolitical suicide with your politicans deciding to "invite" the PLO to Lebanon and since then your country is in mayhem. How difficult is it to understand that when Lebanon will be strong, independent democratic and free from intervention of Arabian politics, then Israel will not need any reason to exercise it's soveregin right of self defence? Finish your spring cleaning Mr Seniora and lets all get along with our lives. May be if this takes place it won't be long and and the blue-white flag will fly in Beirut while the ceder will fly in the wind of Tel-Aviv's briese.For now I would be satisfied to see Lebanese flags all along the border raised by proud Lebanese soldiers instead of the menacing yellow-green flags of your holy mukaama.

Omer (israeli) said...

Its graet logic:

"Only the HA can protect us from the destruction HA brought on us."

nice sense of casultiy.

Omer (israeli) said...

This may be over dramatic, but it shows alot of people see this issue:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5AiYIhdZcOg

Omer (israeli) said...

Thou, at least not all muslim thibk this way:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=G5lE28JKxJM

Omer (israeli) said...

A last one:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QeZq9qQ7Nwk

dany said...

I should have stuck with the promise I made myself not to listen to Nasrallah’s televised address yesterday. I might have been less infuriated today by so much bad faith and cynicism. What makes me even angrier is that so many will be led on and cheated into believing that he is for real.

1) While we thank Nasrallah for his congratulations on our victory, we think it is fair that we question the very concept of victory. How is it measured ? Did we conquer any territory or did our enemy capture land from us ? Did we inflict more damage on the enemy than he did on us ? Did we kill more enemies than them ? Strange victory indeed. It is not even a victory for HA who now has to withdraw from south of the Litani and probably disarm shortly afterwards (unless they go back on their agreement, which they are trying to do, and re-start a war with even more “victories”)
2) Should we also thank Nasrallah for his generous offer to help in the reconstruction ? So, this makes it all OK, then ? How will he repay the dead ? How will he replace the children ? Who will verify that his televised offers will be put into practice and how ? Which Shiite family from the South will dare complain, and not thank the munificent Nasrallah, when HA offers them 10,000 USD as compensation for their house which is worth 5 times more ? Where is Nasrallah going to find 15000 vacant apartments to rent for one year (then what?) and which owner will agree to enter into a “fair” lease contract with an armed milicia ?
3) Nasrallah’s fake compassion does not go as far as making real sacrifices to save the innocents. Sacrifices like surrendering the weapons that give Hezbollah (and Iran) their influence in Lebanon. Nasrallah even has the arrogance of throwing in our face the “sacrifices” offered by Hizbollah fighters , when we did not ask them for any of this in the first place.
4) How can HA (and their stupid proxy Lahoud) gloat about having only a few fighters between the hundreds of people who died ? Are civilians supposed to protect the military, or the opposite ?
5) Far from considering that the proposed investigation of the Israeli war performance as a victory, the Lebanese should be envious. We have so longed for having some kind of accountability that it hurts to see how much better the “enemy” is doing in this regards. Shouldn’t Nasrallah be held accountable for AT LEAST his “miscalculation” (assuming- and I don’t believe it for a minute- that he had the best intentions: freeing some prisoners and claiming back Chebaa, but that the Israeli reaction caught him by surprise) ? We are not even mentioning the possibility of being tried for treason because he put Iran’s objectives before the Lebanese national interest ?
6) How can Nasrallah talk about Isreali losses, destructions and economical cost as a catastrophe for them, while minimizing the unfathomable Lebanese losses as trivial, unavoidable “war cost” that can be easily restored ?
7) How can the leader of a party represented in the government issue half-hidden threats to ministers in that same government? How can he get away with “advising” us what to say, and “recommending” what it is not acceptable to say. Then again, what does someone who declares war “whether the Lebanese want it or not”, know about democracy and free speech ? We can so easily do without him administering lessons on the Lebanese people, who would have a thing or two to teach him.
8) Why is it so difficult for Nasrallah to understand that HA weapons have ceased to be an internal Lebanese matter, ever since UNSCR 1595 was issued, and especially since these weapons have hit the first target outside Lebanon?
9) How can he not understand the emptiness of his argument when he says that he has to keep his weapons because no one can guarantee that Israel will not occupy Lebanon again ? Should the Lebanese Forces militias be allowed to re-arm and station along the Syrian border because nobody can guarantee that the Syrians will not invade Lebanon again ? Should the Alsacians form an armed militia to ensure that Germany will not invade France again ? It doesn’t work that way in any country, and it shouldn’t work that way in our country. The borders are secured by the national army and international treaties. An armed militia is in fact an invitation for anything from border clashes to full-scale invasion.
10) Why is Nasrallah surprised that Lebanese are asking for full disarmament of HA ? “Even the Israelis and Americans are not asking for this at this stage !” he says. Well they are not, and we are. As a matter of fact, we have been asking for this before this war, before UNSCR 1701, before UNSCR 1995, even before Taef. Can Nasrallah read our lips? “NO WEAPONS EXCEPT WITH THE LEBANESE ARMY” this has been the cry of the Lebanese people for the past 30 years !
11) When bigheartedly thanking all those who have helped the victims of this war, how could Nasrallah have omitted the Red Cross, probably the most active on the ground ? Knowing how well his speeches are prepared, this could not have been a simple memory lapse from Sayyed Hassan.
12) Why have the past two weeks seen a change in denomination from “Lebanese Resistance” or “National Resistance” or even plain “Resistance” to “Islamic Resistance” in all AlManar bulletins and Nasrallah speeches ? Is this to more widely encompass audiences (at the expense of a few Christians who still support a Lebanese armed resistance)? Are these the latest instructions from Tehran ? Could point 11 above be related in any way to this ?


Nasrallah’s recent stance (refusing to surrender weapon) might have unfortunately been encouraged by Israel who has been sending wrong signals: agreeing to the cease-fire without the usual pushing and pulling, withdrawing some of the soldiers in Lebanon as soon as the ceasefire came into effect, and talking about an exchange of prisoners when Hizbullah thought that it was out of the question. This attitude misleads HA into adopting a harder position (which might be precisely where the Isrealis want him).

It is essential at this point that UNSCR 1701 be applied in all its points, in order to avoid either a harsher resolution, or having Israel take matters into its own hands again. Make no mistake: the world will not come to our rescue this time and Olmert, if replaced, will only give way to someone more “hardline”.

Annasru Ata said...

honestly ya shabeeb your cries are only being heard in israel because of a program they invented to help win their public support. In this way you're improving our opponent's stand. Please in the name of what you claim is your beloved country be united for it's people, it's land, it's future, and not for it's leaders/polititions. Enough complaining. It's a hard time but if you think of it it's paving the way for true independance. We won this war in every way and nothing/ no one will take it away from us.

dany said...

Mabrouk Annasru for your victory,

I agree with you: our cries will NOT be heard in Lebanon, certainly not by your bearded idol.

I also agree with you: let's be united ! Join the rest of us who want peace, not "victories"

yoni said...

I agree with every word raja
it's good to know that there are majority of lebanese who know that nasrallah harm them
I hope that peace will be between israel and lebanon

eyal said...

Liona,
First I am happy u decided not to leave this blog because your opinion is very important.
I whish that the ppl here could be the one who could realy solve the problem because even if we do not agree we talk and we respect each other which is the first step for peace.
I think that If the lebanon ppl really knew how much we prefer peace they could make peace with us long time ago.
The issue is that there are very strong forces here that are not letting it happened.
and thats make me so sad.

Am Yisrael Khay said...

You are supporting the Israeli cause
i wanted to thank all
* Raja
* Doha
* Firas
* May
* Hassan
* Hani G.
* Admin.LebaneseBloggers
* Yasmine
of you and tell you,. your voice will be added to many Israeli supporters in the world. Like the only Jewish-Christian moto said . "Yours and Mine we build democratic Lebanon and Israel"

Zionism shall ever Live with your support

Now what said...

hello??

Now what said...

I am jewish Israeli, my parents Tunisians. I remember they say that Lebanon is our next trip to The riviera of the Middle east. We had Arab friends from lebanon. Lebanon is a great country get rid of your gealouse so called friends get rid of nasrallah and alike. Fight to regain your popularity.

Israel loves to visit your land,come see ours.

Unfrozen Caveman Linguist said...

Well said, Raja. With this war (and that very nice speech) Nasrallah has exposed himself as the alien stooge that he is. Even more important is that the failings of his weapons to fend off Israeli attacks and avert the destruction of Lebanese infrastructure exposes his weapons for what they are as well. That is, not a strategic deterrent at all. In fact, if Nasrallah's speech is any indication, the weapons were never intended to used as such; they were to be used to threaten the Lebanese government and people into quietly ceding the state to him. As such, Nasrallah is more like your typical Arab dicatator than he and his supporters want to think.

Some victory.

Alleycat said...

Hear Hear! I add my voice to yours Raja!
ENOUGH!!!

ME said...

Dunes, Paul Edwards

shame I got to answer really ignorant like you and you answers it shows how much it hurts the truth and anther prove that your conquer days over and you lost to Lebanon specially to HEZ America had to send you a shipments of smart bomb and silent bomb and you still accomplish nothing another prove for you what those to organization (AJC, ADL) advertising on American TV against HEZ …
We don’t live in fantasy we live in realty that’s why we win always we are not a dreamers like you and this war proved it…

Dunes when I use to play in the sand box you are not even born and the way you answer proves who is the ignorant and people like you, it is waste time to talk to, you are an ignorant it is hard to makes you smart…

Omer,
As I said before to disarm HEZ now it is wrong to Lebanon because there is a lots of unsolved problem yet like SHIBA FARMS and the prisoners ,the flying in are air space ,sea siege if all this problem solved and guarantee it is over then HEZ got no reason to keep his arm they got to disarm otherwise the way I defend Lebanon against Israel for the love of my country Lebanon and the people of Lebanon I will fight them for the same reason to the love for Lebanon and the people of Lebanon because I will like to see are next generations living in peace not like me born and grew up in wars Israel wars civil wars and trust me that HEZ they like to go back to civil life they got family and children they like to see them living in peace too…

God be with are hopes

chuck said...

sherri and me,

i would realy like to know where u learned u'r history.

sherri, i looked for the coment u made about 1978 Israeli "invasion" into lebanon. so here it goes :

11 march 1978, 11 terrorists landed on the shores of maagan michael, which is a kibutz betwen haifa and tel-aviv.
the terrorists captured an american nature photographer named Gail Rubin, tortured her and murdered her.

then they got to the
Haifa - Tel-Aviv highway and took over a civilian bus and made his driver take them to Tel-Aviv. on the way to Tel-Aviv they took over another bus and made it's passengers move into the first hijaked bus while murdering a few of the passengers.

they continued towards Tel-Aviv and were stoped in Glilot junction, before entering
Tel-Aviv, and blew up the bus. there were 35 dead and 72 injured.

more facts:

untill that year lebanon turned into the center of terorism and terrorists command centers for international terrorism (international, that means - not only in Israel !). untill that year Israel has taken many attacks made by terrorist from the north border of Israel (comming from lebanon) from 1973 untill 1978.

14-21 march 1978, Israel made the "Litani operation", and attacked terrorist villages in south lebanon.
21 march was the truce and on the 13 of june a Unifil force of 6000 troops took over the territory that the Israeli army went out of.

that Unifil force didn't realy kept the peace going, and Israel helped forming the "lebanese deffence force".


who r u people ??
where do u come from ??
and i would realy want to know,
W T F r u talking about ?!!


i was reading what u wrote, and i was waiting that u'll get to the point where hisbala is actually a humanitarian movement that supports peace on earth.

and i too think u r a nazi, facist !!
u will fit just fine in an iranian "democracy", listening to fanatic preachers talking about the distruction of western civilisation lead by the devil, USA and it's satanic right hand, Israel !!

ho, and don't forget to put u'r kkk outfit when u go.

don't try me with history. i'm good at it.

abou al jamejem said...

Hey "me", hasan zabre neseralla is the biggest loser in this conflict, he is fighting for theiranian and the syrians interests. by the way, fuck you, fuck hasen neseralla, fuck Michel Aoun, fuck Emil zabre Lahood, fuck bachar. We are lebanese more than you, and you are the one who suppose to leave lebanon because we do not like Syrians and Iranians.

Mr. Smarterthanyou said...

I am really glad to see so many arab voices against hizbolla. Wouldn't it be nice to imagine a Lebanon that is once again the melting pot of the middle east, with a strong economy and a free and cultured people?

The only way for this to happen is for Israel to grow some courage, and drive right through Lebanon (bypassing most of it) and directly into Syria. The US should seal the Syria/Iraq border to keep the scum from escaping into Iraq. Then the US needs to steamroll through Iran to the Afgan border.

Maybe THEN the people of Lebanon will show some courage and drive away the extremists. Sadly, too many in Lebanon play into the hands of the nutjobs, and blame everything on Israel and the US.

What you guys don't realize, in the US we have half the population, and almost all of the media convinced that lethal injection is cruel and painful punishment. We sadly lack the perspective to understand an enemy that gets off on beheadings, and to understand how arab people know better than to back the "nice" army, because if the evil army wins, particularly if it is a muslim army, the retribution will be gruesome.

Lebnese Liona said...

mr . smarterthanyou,

are you for real?

DO you have any idea what you are talking about?

70% of lebanon are muslims!!!!!

This website is the minority in lebanon and not the majority.

Most of the christians with the exception of GAAGAA OUWET Forces are in support of HB.

Druz are against HB, but thats no secret.

Even Kataeb alebnania are not saying to disarm the resistance now

And only minority in the sunnis are against HB.


Look, like i said before, HB will disarm but it will take time not because of mistrust within the labenese , its becasuse we still have IDF soldeirs in lebanon pointing their guns at the south.

AND A FACT FOR YOU --- ALL the HB figherts are the sons of every village in the south.

They are fighting for their homes and families, does that make them terrorists or extremists?

Come on, for gods sakes stop this nonsense!!!

Mr. Smarterthanyou said...

If what you say is true, and in general, I tend to believe you, then the only solution is to kill so many people in lebanon and syria that the rest of the islamic freaks are jumping up and down eating ham sandwiches shouting "Let's get along!!!"

It is a joke to say that HB is fighting for their homes and families. Only a liar says it and only a fool believes it. HB likes to go around killing little jewish kids. Any man who can butt-stroke a toddler is criminally insane, and those of you who support these guys deserve to be killed with no mercy. It seems like in this world Muslims act like chanting barbarians, intent on destroying everything good in the world, while screaming about their rights. I guess we can blame ourselves for giving so much aid to Islamic animals, welfare in any form gives the recipient an overgrown sense of entitlement, and combined with a barbaric, egotistical religion, it makes for a bunch of animals that can only be curbed by mass killing. Which is what you guys like to do to others, so don't cry about my words, just know that not all westerners are soft, some of us know the deal, and one more good attack on us and the cowards in US culture will have to shut up and let the reast of us do what we must.

Shmulik said...

Lebanese Liona

Please tell me- when will HEZ disarm?? Please don't use the "israeli soldiers" excuse because in two weeks there won't be one israeli soldier across the blue line. Month? two months?? a year?? or maybe only after the destruction of Israel and/or the subversion of Lebanon to an islamic republic style Iran??
Fighting for their homes and families is OK as long as they don't store rockets inside their familys houses, fire on civilians from INSIDE villages and then go out and cry about damage to civilians.

dunes said...

me: listen up so u like distorting history huh ?
did israel alwayes lost until now ?
does conquering teritory and land and killing alot of enemy soldiers is considerd loosing ? if so i wouldnt want to be the winner
btw what i learnd about arabs that i see here in israel is that it doesnt matter how old you are your still an imature child
so please layoff what your taking its doing you bad.....

abou al jamejem said...

Lebanese Liona, first of all the Christians are 40 % of the population in Lebanon. The fact is taht all the lebanese except some shiaa are against HA. there is absolutely no christians is with HA, I mean comeon you don't have to be genius that Christians and druze are not going to support Radial Islam. on the other hand the majority of the Sunnis are represented by the Future Tayyar led by Hariri and they are also against HA.

tony.2.tone said...

When HA emerge from this with their weapons in tact they have every right to take power in Lebanon as they are the one that sacrificed life and limb to protect this great country of ours.

While you Christians just sat on your asses and watched as your country was invaded and then come our of the shadows to snipe and complain about the increased power of HA, you Christians are pathetic.

Damn you all to eternal hell, as you do not even have the backbone to pick up a gun and face down your invader, instead you get down on your knees ready to polish the shoes of the Iraeli murderers after they have just massacred entire villages if innocent women and children, you pathetic cowards, and now you are extremely worried that HA may use their increased power from resisting for the homeland by showing you Christians as what you trully are which is cowardly lap dogs of the Iraelis.

Already in the past you did the dirty work of the Jews to protect them by forming a SLA army and torturing your onw country men at the behest of your jewish master.

Ah but thats right you were defeated by the very organization that you know are snipping it, talk about sour grapes, just dont forget that the day you were defeated is now regarded as one of the most important in the history oF lebanon which just goes to show that all Lebanon was against you and celebrated when you lost, haha.

Lastly you dare threaten a civil war if HA takes advantage of its increased power after the sacrifices for their homeland, you dare threaten a civil war when in the last civil war you were all but demolished but it was the syrians (you know the people you despise the most), that came in and fought us to spare you, this time it will be different, you will have noone to save your sorry asses when you are going to lose, and finally Lebanon can be a united country without you traiterous Christians always trying to tear it apart at the behest of your masters in Israel and the West.

So bring it on people, bring on the civil war and we can finally do waht needed to be done 20 years ago. HA

Paul Edwards said...

me, you do not live in reality, you live in the Arab fantasy world, where heroic Arabs never lose wars, no matter how badly they were beaten in reality. Just face it. You're a racist. There is a world war between racists and anti-racists. You are on the wrong side of that war. You will lose. Again.

ME said...

Abou al jamejem,
Please don’t embrace us Lebanese got maners you embrace us with the Israelis but you know what people bark like as the old saying said we threw you a bone and shut up…

Dunes,
I’m not changing history I didn’t said you lost the wars before and I’m not going back to talk about each one I know what I’m talking about and all the link I’m posting I chose them from American newspaper and magazines so you can’t say that I’m lying so don’t be soar loser…

Paul Edwards said...

tony.2.tone, "When HA emerge from this with their weapons in tact they have every right to take power in Lebanon as they are the one that sacrificed life and limb to protect this great country of ours."

They protected nothing. They brought great suffering to the Lebanese people by starting a war with Israel, and then cowardly using women and children as human shields. Nor do they have the right to seize power in Lebanon. Power in Lebanon belongs to the people, via democracy, not a bunch of Iranian-backed terrorists.

"While you Christians just sat on your asses and watched as your country was invaded"

No, they sat on their arses while Hizbullah invaded Israel. They should have instead used their army to disarm Hizbullah terrorists.

"and then come our of the shadows to snipe and complain about the increased power of HA"

HA's power hasn't increased.

"you Christians are pathetic."

You Nazis are pathetic.

"Damn you all to eternal hell, as you do not even have the backbone to pick up a gun and face down your invader"

They don't have the stupidity to initiate wars with a superior military power. Hell, they don't even have the desire to initiate wars with an INFERIOR military power, because they're not Nazis like you.

"instead you get down on your knees ready to polish the shoes of the Iraeli"

Israelis don't require anyone to polish their shoes. They just want to be able to live in peace. The Christians are smart enough to realise this. Because you're a Nazi who wants others to polish YOUR shoes, you assume your enemy feels the same way about you. You're wrong. Israel is not like you.

"murderers after they have just massacred entire villages if innocent women and children"

These are the human shields that the Hizbullah cowards hide behind.

"you pathetic cowards"

You're the pathetic coward for hiding behind women and children.

"and now you are extremely worried that HA may use their increased power from resisting for the homeland"

They're not resisting for the homeland, they are initiating conflicts which the homeland didn't want.

"by showing you Christians as what you trully are which is cowardly lap dogs of the Iraelis."

You're the cowardly lap dogs of the Iranians. The Christians are no-one's lap dogs. They want to live in freedom.

"Already in the past you did the dirty work of the Jews to protect them by forming a SLA army and torturing your onw country men at the behest of your jewish master."

The Jews were never masters. They wanted the people to be free, ie not slaves of anyone. It is YOU that seeks to enslave people. By the way, this is completely natural. You are a SUBJUGATOR. The free world consists of NON-SUBJUGATORS and ANTI-SUBJUGATORS. There is currently a world war between subjugators and anti-subjugator, with the non-subjugators remaining neutral. You are on the wrong side of this war. You will lose.

I pledge allegiance to use my brain to fight subjugation of my species - do you?

"Ah but thats right you were defeated by the very organization that you know are snipping it, talk about sour grapes, just dont forget that the day you were defeated is now regarded as one of the most important in the history oF lebanon which just goes to show that all Lebanon was against you and celebrated when you lost, haha."

Not all of Lebanon celebrated terrorists taking over territory that was MEANT to have been taken over by the Lebanese Army. The Israelis only withdrew because of an American request, and the promise that the Lebanese Army would take over. As usual you play dirty dishonest games.

"Lastly you dare threaten a civil war if HA takes advantage of its increased power after the sacrifices for their homeland"

HA isn't sacrificing FOR the homeland it is SACRIFICING THE HOMELAND.

"this time it will be different, you will have noone to save your sorry asses when you are going to lose"

I hope that the US will support the forces of freedom against the terrorists this time, as it is part of the wider war of rational, humanist anti-subjugators against dogmatic, non-humanist subjugators.

"finally Lebanon can be a united country without you traiterous Christians always trying to tear it apart"

Hopefully Lebanon will be a united country without Iranian-backed terrorists.

"at the behest of your masters in Israel and the West."

Israel and the West aren't masters of ANYONE. We seek to spread FREEDOM, not ENSLAVEMENT. You can't understand this because you're a subjugator, and assume we must be too. We're not. We're anti-subjugators.

"So bring it on people, bring on the civil war and we can finally do waht needed to be done 20 years ago. HA"

Don't worry, the ceasefire isn't likely to hold, and Israel will finish off the Hizbullah Nazis. And if Israel doesn't, then the US will, after Iraq has quietened down.

tony.2.tone said...

Paul Edwards,

I must say that you are a true living example of how brainwashed a person can get in these days and ages through the use of Israeli and American propaganda channels like Fox, etc.

Any fool like you who really believes that HA is using the people as human shields really needs to get their heads examined. Just think about it for a second mr. brainiac.

HA is made up of Lebanese men (that is the locals of South Lebanon), thus the civillians getting killed are their wives and children, etc, so what your telling me is that every member of HA puts their own women and children in the way to protect themselves, haha, aw come one you can do better than that dumb scenario.

HA have indeed protected the country from the murderous invaders, only problem is that the Jews are such cowards that they rely on bombing from 30,000 feet, and there is no way to protect against that, for crying out loud the country Lebanon has and will never be allowed to have a capable air defense system to protect itself from future threats.

But the truth of the pudding was when Israel comitted ground forces to try and get the job done, and we all saw what happened didnt we? Over 116 dead Israeli soldiers even though they have the most advance technological weaponry available to man, yet HA was able to limit an incursion by inflicting serious losses on the Israeli army. Where as the Jews went the other way and inflicted serious losses on innocent unprotected unarmed civillians.

Think about it for just a second, that is if your brain is capable of thinking on its own even for just a short period of time.

Irsael cherishes the soldiers so much that they claimed to have started this war as a way to get back the 2 captured Israeli soldiers, yet in a matter of a month HA with its depleted and againg weaponry was able to stand up against you merkava tanks, helicopters, f-16s, artillery, night vision goggles and others top notch equipment, and inflict over 116 soldiers deaths, its an amazing feat I tell you.

As for the Christians, they have been exposed as being the buttboys of the Jews in the past when they consisted of the SLA army whose only aim was to protect Israel by torturing true Lebanese countrymen, they were defeated and we gave them a chane to atone for their crimes by giving them a second chance to live side by side ordinary Lebanese and pledge loyalty to Lebanon.

Well they are blowing that second chance and as sure as the sun will come up tomorrow morning, the Christians will not stand a chance against the rest of Lebanon, and the Jews and Americans will not risk their own people to safeguard a section of the community that has a provem track record of being traitors, etc.

Bring on the civil war I say, let end this once and for all, maybe you Jews will like to take in the Christians will they make their net miscalculation and are defeated?

shittyzionz said...

Very disappointing topic I must say. However Sayed Nassrallah is now –as opposed to what some people here say- the most popular person in the Arab world let alone Lebanon! The son of Jamal Abdulnasser, today stated that he's now remembering his father & his glorious days. Actors, singers & loads of artists (Christians & Muslims) are supporting our national resistance.
-We have an occupied land, so we're entitled to resist
- HA has proved to the world how strong its fighters are, so why cant we utilize that? Let them be a new kind of military wings, that no one knows nor sees except through their leaders, just like what they are now, the only difference this suggestion will make – to HA of course- is that they're authorized to possess weapons but not act without informing our government
- Would it be fair to disarm HA after all what they did to us? They fought Israel, they died, the sacrificed everything they loved for us, and then, just like that, because the USA & Israel want to, we follow them like sheep? Huh.
- At this point, our enemies are America & Israel. All the deaths,all the destructions didn’t exist because of an earthquake, nor a tsunami, Israel & America did that to our country, we all know the 2 soldiers was merely an excuse to start a war on us.
- HA fighters did really make me feel proud!! Humble weapons, small number of fighters, but yet they kicked the Israeli asses out. Yes HA did defeat Israel once again, Israel failed to accomplish their goals of this war, so technically they lost!
- The majority of people that lost their lives, lives of their loved ones,their houses are supporters of HA. Shiaa Muslims, some sunni Muslims & a lot of Christians-including myself- support HA.

To all Israelis & pro Israelis , hahahah LOSERS boooohooo you got what you deserved, wish it was worse for you but unfortunately it was worse on us but at the end we won Because we paid so dearly. I'm thrilled, I'm over the moon right now awww we won won we won wooohooo!! Next time, try to make stronger tanks & warships for your sissies lol

tony,
3ayeb hayek, stop it, badon yeshmato fyna el israelia :P halaabetsadeaa enoo abu aljamajem lebnani? oh yeh, bekrah our main figures aktar mn israel, be7ky enno he doesnt care about "fucking" palestinians in "israel" coz he loves lebanon more than he hates israel, that really makes me wonder, o bysamy 7alo lebnani. betrajak ya tony w 7yat allah ma te7ky hayek 3anna na7na elmasy7een na7na ben7eb lebnan metlkon o aktar &we appreciate what HA did & is doing.


Natalie

tony.2.tone said...

Natalie,

I have said some bad things about Christians in Lebanon recently, but after reading your wonderful post and your position I feel really embarrassed that I lumped all Christians in the same basket.

I apologise to you personally Natalie for any comments that may have hurt you and I also apologize to any other Christians out there like you, although I stick to my guns regarding the majority Christians who have in the past acted as a self defence force for Israel by making up the SLA.

Anyway if we stay united then we can defeat all that come our way no matter the weapons they possess, we have sacrificed a great deal as a country and HA has sacrificed a great deal to ensure our dignity and soveriegnty and give us hope that we can in future not feel threatened by Israel as we inflict on them painful lessons.

Long live Lebanon and its protectors like HA and many other nameless organizations that have also sacrificed.

Paul Edwards said...

tony.2.tone, "I must say that you are a true living example of how brainwashed a person can get in these days and ages through the use of Israeli and American propaganda channels like Fox, etc."

You are too stupid to realise that it is YOU that has been brainwashed by your Nazi propaganda. It is the western media who present the facts, although they (except for Fox) present them from a left-wing perspective.

"Any fool like you who really believes that HA is using the people as human shields really needs to get their heads examined."

You're the one who needs to get your head examined. They are firing their weapons from civilian areas. When Israel responds, civilians are killed as well as the military target.

"HA is made up of Lebanese men (that is the locals of South Lebanon), thus the civillians getting killed are their wives and children, etc, so what your telling me is that every member of HA puts their own women and children in the way to protect themselves"

Well they normally fire from civilian areas that don't have their own relatives there, so that other civilians become "martyrs". HA have NO regard for human life, not even Lebanese life. Israel takes more care trying to spare the ENEMY civilians than HA does.

"HA have indeed protected the country from the murderous invaders"

No, the HA are the murderous invaders.

"only problem is that the Jews are such cowards that they rely on bombing from 30,000 feet, and there is no way to protect against that"

You shouldn't provoke a fight with someone with superior weapons to you. In fact, you shouldn't provoke a fight with anyone at all. You're too stupid to learn from your own mistakes.

"for crying out loud the country Lebanon has and will never be allowed to have a capable air defense system to protect itself from future threats."

The main threat to Lebanon's sovereignty is HA. You don't need air defence to protect against HA, you need ground troops.

"But the truth of the pudding was when Israel comitted ground forces to try and get the job done, and we all saw what happened didnt we?"

Yes, we saw the Israeli ground troops reach the Litani river. The HA weren't able to stop them. Only a premature ceasefire saved HA's arses.

"HA was able to limit an incursion by inflicting serious losses on the Israeli army."

HA did nothing of the sort. They didn't limit the incursion, the Israeli troops were able to reach the Litani.

"Where as the Jews went the other way and inflicted serious losses on innocent unprotected unarmed civillians."

Rubbish. They took out rocket launchers and other military targets.

"Irsael cherishes the soldiers so much that they claimed to have started this war as a way to get back the 2 captured Israeli soldiers"

It's more complicated than that. Abducting the soldiers was an ACT OF WAR by Hizbullah. The appropriate response to an ACT OF WAR is to DEFEAT THE ENEMY with overwhelming firepower. Israel was in the process of doing just that, but the Lebanese were crying to the international community for a ceasefire. Israel agreed to the ceasefire after the Lebanese government promised (again) to put its troops on the border. It's not likely to work. Israel will be allowed to finish the job when the ceasefire fails.

"yet in a matter of a month HA with its depleted and againg weaponry was able to stand up against you merkava tanks, helicopters, f-16s, artillery, night vision goggles and others top notch equipment, and inflict over 116 soldiers deaths, its an amazing feat I tell you."

"stand up to" means "defeated by". Just because they managed to kill some Israelis doesn't mean they had a victory.

"As for the Christians, they have been exposed as being the buttboys of the Jews"

As I already explained, the Jews don't have or need "buttboys". The Jews stand for rational, humanist, non-subjugating government. The Christians are smart enough to realise that this is a good thing. They are therefore NATURAL ALLIES. One is not the buttboy of the other.

"the Christians will not stand a chance against the rest of Lebanon"

It is the rest of Lebanon who doesn't support the HA.

"the Jews and Americans will not risk their own people to safeguard a section of the community that has a provem track record of being traitors"

That remains to be seen.

"Bring on the civil war I say, let end this once and for all, maybe you Jews will like to take in the Christians will they make their net miscalculation and are defeated?"

I'm not a Jew, I'm an anti-racist and anti-religious-bigot. I'm against racists and religious bigots like you, and I have superior firepower at my disposal. You will lose this war.

Paul Edwards said...

shittyzionz, "However Sayed Nassrallah is now –as opposed to what some people here say- the most popular person in the Arab world"

Yes, the Arab world is full of Nazis who applaud those who kill Jews, regardless of whether they are civilians or military.

"let alone Lebanon!"

I think most Lebanese resent having their economy destroyed because of the actions of a Nazi in their midst.

"The son of Jamal Abdulnasser, today stated that he's now remembering his father & his glorious days."

The fact that you think there is glory in war shows that you are a sick Nazi.

"Actors, singers & loads of artists (Christians & Muslims) are supporting our national resistance."

All Nazis who will be defeated.

"-We have an occupied land, so we're entitled to resist"

No you don't. Israel withdrew from Lebanon in 2000, on the condition that the Lebanese Army would be patrolling the southern border. Lebanon violated the agreement.

"- HA has proved to the world how strong its fighters are, so why cant we utilize that?"

No, it proved that it didn't just fail to protect the Lebanese, it actually used them as human shields.

"- Would it be fair to disarm HA after all what they did to us? They fought Israel, they died, the sacrificed everything"

No, they sacrificed Lebanon.

"they loved for us"

No, they didn't love you at all. They just hated on your behalf, and that hate brought repercussions.

"just like that, because the USA & Israel want to, we follow them like sheep?"

HA is required to disarm according to a UN Chapter 7 resolution. It's not just USA and Israel.

"- At this point, our enemies are America & Israel."

Why would a liberal democracy find an enemy in America and Israel instead of an ALLY? Most of the free world are ALLIES, or at least NEUTRAL. NATO is the best example of the free world being allied together. Lebanon should be trying to join NATO, not starting wars with Israel, another liberal democracy who should also be in NATO.

"we all know the 2 soldiers was merely an excuse to start a war on us."

No, the 2 soldiers were the straw that broke the camel's back. Israel can't sit still while an act of war is committed against it. Stop trying to blame the victim for responding.

"- HA fighters did really make me feel proud!! Humble weapons, small number of fighters, but yet they kicked the Israeli asses out."

No they didn't. Israel reached the Litani river in just 2 days. If Lebanon hadn't been crying for a ceasefire, the job would have been completed.

"Yes HA did defeat Israel once again, Israel failed to accomplish their goals of this war, so technically they lost!"

Their goal was to get HA away from their border and replace it with Lebanese Army troops. That is the condition of the ceasefire. If Lebanon goes back on its word (again), then the war will resume.

"- The majority of people that lost their lives, lives of their loved ones,their houses are supporters of HA."

So much for "innocent civilian victims".

"Shiaa Muslims, some sunni Muslims & a lot of Christians-including myself- support HA."

Then you are a criminally-insane Nazi.

"To all Israelis & pro Israelis , hahahah LOSERS boooohooo you got what you deserved"

Israel in no way lost this fight.

"wish it was worse for you but unfortunately it was worse on us"

Then how do you manage to claim victory, except in your fantasy world?

"but at the end we won Because we paid so dearly."

"paying dearly" is not "winning".

"I'm thrilled, I'm over the moon right now awww we won won we won wooohooo!!"

You are glorifying war like a true Nazi. The reason America has a HUGE alliance is because in the west we don't glorify war. We glorify freedom.

"Next time, try to make stronger tanks & warships for your sissies lol"

If you don't clean up HA, and Israel doesn't clean up HA, then the Anglophones will. After Iran and Syria have been dealt with.

BEG said...

What I find interesting is that most Western commentary I've read on this suggests that Lebanese are rallying behind HA instead of repudiating them. It's extremely difficult to tell what's going on over here.

Other than that the whole thing was completely insane bombing everything back to the stone age...

Sherri said...

I am not Jewish. I am not Lebanese. But I spent the past month watching on my television as I saw innocent civilians massacred by Israeli bombs, supplied to Israel by my country, the United States. 1000 innocent lives lost, 45% of them children.

I read an Amnesty International Report identifying war crime after war crime perpetrated by Israel on innnocent civilians in Lebanon. Targeting civilians in their homes and in cars fleeing, targeting rescue personnel, targeting United Nations personnel, targeting civilian convoys, targeting infrastructure, destroying civilian targets, like whole neighborhoods and villages in the South, using cluster bombs on civilians, using vacuum bombs on civilians, using bunker busting bombs on civilians, using phosphorous on civilians.

Israel, you wonder why they hate you. You massacre their children. You destroy their homes, their livlihood, their cities, their countries.

The world was watching. They will never forget your massacres of the innocent children of Lebanon. God was watching. He hears the cries of the dying children, too.

Who was there to fight back as Lebanon's children were murdered? Only Hezbollah, lead by Nazarallah.
They fought, risking their lives for the children of Lebanon. They alone stood up against the Israeli aggression.

Sherri said...

paul edwards,

Because a person criticizes Israel does not make them a Nazi. I criticize Israel because I have spent the past 30 days watching on my television and seeing picture after picture of Israel's aggression against civilians in Lebanon.

Defending one's country does not justify killing innocent civilians.
Killing innocent civilians is inhumane. I view every person in this world as having a right to live, whether they are Jews Muslims, or Christians. Even if they are viewed as fanatical by Israel, they have a right to life. And they should not have their homes destroyed and their children injured and killed by Israeli bombs.

abou al jamejem said...

to "me", you are the one who doesn't know what the fuck you're talking about. Intimidiating other Lebanese dosen't work here, pal. I wanna keep saying what I believe is right even if you guys don't like it. for me Hasen zabre Neseralla is as bad as the Israelis, and by the way fuck his stupid beard.

abou al jamejem said...

If you guys wanna help killing Nesralla you should check these two websites, they are really funny:

http://www.planetnana.co.il/atarsh//flashoo/nasral.html

http://www.amirlotan.com/nassralla/nasralla.html

reza said...

Syria is not a friend, neither is Iran. They will encourage us and the Gazaans to fight as long as they are not getting killed.

ME said...

First a big thanks and love to Natalie because of her and the people like her we won this war because for the first time people like you were protecting are back that’s why we were only focused on are enemy thank you again.

Paul Edwards,
If you are so pissed off on the holocaust and the Nazis we didn’t do it just to remind you that you are taken it on the wrong people we are not Hitler and we are not a German either that mean your act proved you are the modern Nazis and what you did in Palestine and Lebanon since 1948 till now is the biggest prove…
Yes you need better tanks because they were falling like a little chickens in hunting season and for your knowledge you didn’t go to the Litani river on the ground they try to land from the choppers and that was way before the Litani river and this time it was a bird season instead of fighting they got busy picking up the dead and injuries and fly back as fast as they can and I hope your army learn the free lessons in fights…

Paul Edwards said...

Sherri, "I am not Jewish."

No, you're an anti-Jewish racist.

"But I spent the past month watching on my television as I saw innocent civilians massacred by Israeli bombs"

What you saw was Hizbullah massacring innocent Israeli civilians, from civilian areas of Lebanon, and Israel responding by attacking those MILITARY TARGETS. But because you're a Nazi, you're blinded to the truth.

"supplied to Israel by my country, the United States."

Yes, the United States as a whole is anti-Nazi, thank God, even though it has Nazis like you in its midst.

"1000 innocent lives lost, 45% of them children."

All the fault of Hizbullah.

"I read an Amnesty International Report identifying war crime after war crime perpetrated by Israel on innnocent civilians in Lebanon."

Rubbish. Israel targetted legitimate military targets.

"Targeting civilians in their homes and in cars fleeing, targeting rescue personnel, targeting United Nations personnel, targeting civilian convoys, targeting infrastructure, destroying civilian targets, like whole neighborhoods and villages in the South, using cluster bombs on civilians, using vacuum bombs on civilians, using bunker busting bombs on civilians, using phosphorous on civilians."

Rubbish. They only deliberately targetted Hizbullah. If civilians are unfortunate enough to be in an area that Hizbullah has turned into a military target, then it is Hizbullah's fault, as any non-Nazi can see.

"Israel, you wonder why they hate you."

We know why they hate the Jews - it's because they are racist Nazis, just like you.

"You massacre their children. You destroy their homes, their livlihood, their cities, their countries."

No, Israel responded to an ACT OF WAR committed by a Nazi terrorist group.

"The world was watching."

Yes, and those with a brain saw Israel acting in self-defence.

"They will never forget your massacres of the innocent children of Lebanon. God was watching. He hears the cries of the dying children, too."

God sees Nazi terrorists attacking a liberal democracy and he doesn't like what he sees. And he supports the Nazis being defeated by the forces of the free world.

"Who was there to fight back as Lebanon's children were murdered?"

No, who was there to INITIATE HOSTILITIES?

"Only Hezbollah, lead by Nazarallah."

Only the Nazis.

"They fought, risking their lives for the children of Lebanon."

No, they fought, risking the children of Lebanon so that they could kill the children of Israel.

"They alone stood up against the Israeli aggression."

No, Israel stood up against Hizbullah aggression.

"Because a person criticizes Israel does not make them a Nazi."

Correct, you're a Nazi because you don't care about Jews being killed, you applaud it, and glorify those who do the killing. You don't think Israel has a right to defend itself, because it is full of Jewish filth.

"I criticize Israel because I have spent the past 30 days watching on my television and seeing picture after picture of Israel's aggression against civilians in Lebanon."

No, you've seen picture after picture of Hizbullah using civilians as human shields while Israel did its best to AVOID civilian casualties.

"Defending one's country does not justify killing innocent civilians."

They are not being deliberately killed. They are being killed because they are in the vicinity of a military target, which Hizbullah deliberately placed next to civilians for the purpose of propaganda, which Nazis like you lap up.

"Killing innocent civilians is inhumane."

Then your complaints should be directed at Hizbullah who deliberately target civilians.

"I view every person in this world as having a right to live, whether they are Jews Muslims, or Christians."

They have a right to live if they are not engaged in military aggression, and they have a right to not be used as human shields.

"Even if they are viewed as fanatical by Israel, they have a right to life."

Not when they pick up arms.

"And they should not have their homes destroyed and their children injured and killed by Israeli bombs."

Then stop placing military equipment in civilian areas.

Paul Edwards said...

me, "If you are so pissed off on the holocaust and the Nazis we didn’t do it"

You are TRYING to do it. This time the Jews are armed.

"your act proved you are the modern Nazis"

No, YOU are the modern Nazi, but you're too dishonest to admit it.

"and what you did in Palestine and Lebanon since 1948 till now is the biggest prove"

No, Israel is DEFENDING itself from the Nazis in "Palestine" and Lebanon. You're just pissed off because they are successful at defending themselves.

"you didn’t go to the Litani river on the ground they try to land from the choppers and that was way before the Litani river"

They went there both on ground and by air.

"I hope your army learn the free lessons in fights"

You clearly didn't learn anything at all. An army is meant to PROTECT civilians, not hide behind them. Your utter disregard for even your own citizens shows that you have sunk to the lowest depths of "humanity". You're no different from the German Nazis. You will lose this war. The forces of freedom will annihilate you.

ME said...

Abou al jamejem,

I’m glad you got some thing tough on you that’s your tang so make sure you wear a diaper when the plane or the tank drop a bomb and hear the far sound of the explosion honestly how much you spend on diapers since the war start come on don’t be shy you can tell us

dunes said...

Natalie :
yes israel lost the israel was the one who lost over 1500 warriors ,israel lost territory...
interesting point..... so if you loose more people and land then your a winner ?
nice view on life , now i understand whats going in your little mind so black is white and white is black
nice going .
btw i have a friend who just got back from lebanon and he showed me his gun and he engraved 12 lines on it
do you know what that means ? yes he alone killed 12 little HA monkeys he said that in his unit there isnt anyone
with less then 5 kills , he said it was hunting season and they were out HA-hunting.



and btw to ME ,sherri and toni !!!
listen up idiots !!! israel has vidoes of lebanse rocket launchers hiding in schools and near hospitals
so dont tell me that we are lieing if you have the time for it stop jerking off and look up google
go and search for those videos you idiots .


Ps: paul Edwards keep it up man finally someone who know the truth here im proud of you .

Paul Edwards said...

dunes, thank you my friend and ALLY! You might like to check out my blog:
www.antisubjugator.blogspot.com
and also
www.moatazilla.org

ME said...

Paul Edwards and Dunes,

This some information about wars that we know more than any body else!!!
It is very easy to spare civilian and children life with the hi-tech war plain that able to see a bug on the ground in day or in night and in the military logic the rocket launcher they are on moves they don’t stay in the same place they lunch them rockets, it was better to hi-tech plane to chase the rocket launcher and destroy it instead throwing the big bomb on the children this rocket they don’t come from inside the houses an you don’t need a 500 tons bomb to destroy the rocket launcher trust me 155 mm it is enough to put the launcher with the truck in the dumb and if the launchers and HEZ is your target why you destroy the suburb of Beirut left HEZ in the border kicking your ass what is this logic that if some body from HEZ or any leader lives in one apartment of a building you totally destroy it for that person who is not there because logic if you are a target you don’t keep your self an easy hit.
That is your propaganda to excuse your selves it make sense…
And Dunes you are the most idiot ignorant stupid if they can clone they can fake computer video from satellite I saw this lies video I saw them how they change angles for your knowledge I’m a programming computer I got my degree before even you borne from Russia and this fake video is your army training because if these videos are real they will zoom it and show closer images but they don’t want the world be surprised about your fake show!!!
This an American link that prove whey you kill the civilians Nazis

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060821fa_fact

Paul Edwards said...

me, "It is very easy to spare civilian and children life with the hi-tech war plain"

No it isn't. Not when the rocket launcher is right next to a civilian building, or on top of a civilian building. Responsibility for this cowardice lies with Hizbullah, according to the Geneva Convention. You just don't want Israel to win. That's the only reason you complain. You should spend your time complaining about Hizbullah launching from civilian areas. If you weren't an anti-Jewish racist.

Annasru Ata said...

its easy to curse and condemn who ur political leaders dispise. oh yes my leader. i have no leader. its not abt where i'm from its abt what i represent. every Lebanese person who wants nd knows whats best for his/her country. the war isn't over and to say that israle are our friend eh walla kheir minkon. smalla now are friends are ppl who invaded us killed us destroyed us and with the blatent support of the US. to an isreali blogger(the one who claims is smarter) are u talking abt one of the prisoners that Hizb wants freed. 1)he's not a Hizb fighter. 2) he's not Shi3a and not even a muslim 3) yes he was 16 when he murdered a child but ask ur govrnment what they did to his little sis before judging. you taught ppl these barbaric acts when u did them infront of their eyes as punishment.
oh how i wish there was peace btw all christians, mulsims, and jews. but u know we will never trust a nation which always think they have the right to destroy us.
to 14 march supporters:
we christians and muslims, according to what some of ur leaders call "large minority (whatever that means) won't surrender to stupid allegations that say lebanon started the war. u will not like or accept this but israel was preparing for this war long b4 just to finish us off. in the article below plz stress your thoughts about who is believed to have murdered Hariri (May he rest in peace) the mossad along with the other murders of politions/press. and for what to cause a rift in Lebanon.

LINK: http://miami.indymedia.org/news/2006/07/5215.php

we all want peace but peace now is subjective. for me it means no israeli, no syrian, no american, no turkish, no french soldiers killing lebanese ppl. when that happens and when we get our land back then we will have peace and Hizb will be a social group. our soldiers will be able to protect the threat of israel bcs they are scared to ever invade us. and why don't we have UN on their side of the border?
this victory and i say victory is not and shouldn't be a threat to us christians nor sunnis nor druze and shi3a but a threat for israel. they could have traded the prisoners before but wanted to destroy our economy(plz ya3neh shou khass ti3nayel bil 7arb ou bil 7izb) and our unity. now they will and why bcs they have no option.
and if you want Lebanon to be Iraq then God help us all.
to future ppl:
Rafik Hariri always knew what was right for his country and stood by hizb. He was link to all groups and whom kept us all united.He was and will always be what keeps us united. he was targeted because they thought if they eliminated the only link we had that found a common ground to every sect and every way of life. Hopefully his son will follow in his steps and be the reasnable man his father was.
oh and to someone who said all christians/druze/sunnis are against hizb plz i ask u only to respect others opinions and not to generalize.


to paul:
u must be so ignorant to believe the israeli gov. we know they are murderers,everyone knows this, and the excuse of hizb firing near civilians is overused these days. answer me this were hib were firing from a chocolate factory or a dairy factory. its known that all this destruction and all this death is to get the Lebanese fighting. well te only ppl who'll be fightng now is the israeli ppl and government. uv controlled the world bcs of the holocust but now its our time to manipulate the world with our grieve. this isn't over yet. our media will grow and it will outrun yours. no wonder the US and Europe kicked u out of their land. what where you doing there i wonder. u think ur a special race and truly believe ur better than us. remember this: there will come a time when ur friends aren't so powerful. i just hope ur treated with the same injustice and cruelty that uv inflicted to the world.

Mr. Smarterthanyou said...
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Mr. Smarterthanyou said...

If HB hides among civilians and attacks Israel or Israeli forces, it is not the responsibility of the Israelis to die rather than kill those civilians.

It is the responsibility of civilized people to resist HB, and when they are captured, THEY are the ones guilty of war crimes, for hiding among civilians.

If Israel shrinks from risking harm to the civilian human shields (many, if not most of them are voluntary), then they would encourage more of the same behavior. No Army should allow itself to be driven by cowards and peaceniks into impotence.

All this crying over how mean Israel and the US are, gimme a break.Muslims are the most barbaric people on the earth right now, and where they dominate their governments are the cruelest on the planet.

Muslim lives are cheapest to other muslims, deny that. No one uses and abuses muslims like other muslims. Who parades their dead? Who hides behind women and children? Who hides in Burkhas to kill? Who puts bombs on their children? Who uses their baby to conceal explosives?

As far as others holding you down, stop crying, you hypicrates. You have a term called dhimmitude, which means your enlightened religion approves of and even demands that you mistreat people of other religions. You muslims are very lucky that Christians don't treat you as you would treat us.

ME said...

Paul Edwards

You know what you are an idiot I don’t know how many war you been in or you are a parrot repeat the new on y0our country the funny thing when they bring an army experts to analyze the war they talk like a stupid first they lie to them selves and they lie to you but what you know they make them selves a joke to other countries experts but the other country they got no gut like us to tell you stop your lies please go your country need you to save it from your leaders they were not able to send a relief aid and rescue and all kind of help any disaster in America but they were able to send more and a lots of advanced bomb within 2 days to Israel to kill are children please you need to wake up…..’

Annasru Ata,

Thank for you support to Lebanon with religion is a personals believe but we all believe in one Lebanon strong against all are enemy and free from any foreigner country …
I will add to you comment to (14 march group) with my experience and with every thing happen till now it is a prove that the mossad who is behind are loved PM Rafik Alhariri death and trust me I don’t like Syrian too (I got some personal problem with them) so that’s way the foreigner inspectors the didn’t give any report to accuse any but the fact on the ground they kill are PM who has god relation with all world leaders and he is tough for the love of Lebanon and he will never accept the distraction of libanon so by killing him they move him from the way we go against the Syrian (Syrian were smart they left without any problem like they did before under any pressure to prove they are not behind the death) because he will support are resistance HEZ in this kind of war and the Syrian not in Lebanon so they are not involve direct in this war so they will take an advantage on us but them dream didn’t come true because we Lebanese only love Lebanon as we all united are enemy dreams always on but not true and I hope Saad Alhariri continue on his father steps…

copy editor said...

Beware a military man, well-financed and who greatly spends on the people.

abou al jamejem said...

to "me", if you are really strong you shouldn't be here barking on this blog, maybe you should join HA and go fight the Israelis with Hasiin because "words are cheap". I am sure that HA can use your help.

Annasru Ata said...

to abou al jamejem:

you show lack of respect to individuals posting and saying their various opinions so how do u expect us to respect u or ur opinions.
nobody can eliminate anyone. that should be what we learned from the civil war. we all have to learn to live together and u may wish some never existed or anialation of a person or a group but that leaves us in even more ruins. let ur mind speak for once. its a shame that i read such things. so u curse someone do u think tht feeling good abt urself will make a difference. its ur right to have an opinion but no right to eliminte ur counterpart.

sam of chayyah said...

Abu Jamajem, and other kids....

You see I never liked HA and I guess I will never do. But when it comes to doing what they say and to telling the truth, I respect them as much as I despise Jumblat and the other kids like Ja'ja' and little Hariri Jr. I mean, it is true that HA is using Iran Weaponry and he is working for Iran. But it is true that these Iranian were used against a foreign country(Israel). Still, you kids should recognize that the agression against Leabnon was covered by Bush and his gang, and the arms thrown at Lebanon are made in US. The irony here is that I love the US. But I know that Jumblat and the fourteen gays AKA 14th of March, are not ashamed being operatives of US. In other words, Iran and HA( its operatives) used their weapons against Israel while US and It's operatives used them against Lebanon. Please Lebanese shit, have some brains. I never saw dumb peoople like the Lebanese. Jumblat was kissing Assad's ass for 28 years then he said I love Lebanon, he slughtered 3000 christians and stole countless houses and we shold not forget the rapes. Ja'ja' wasn't better. I mean you want me to respect the new Lebanon while the symbols of this new Lebanon are drug lords and war lords?. Are you idiots or something? You are scam, and scum at the same time.


Raja, have mercy on me, would you please say enough to the warlords who wanna make new lebanon.

Oh by the way, Seniora is wimp.

Long Live US, at least you can't see the same person in power for life time and people don't live for their sects, they live for their country.

Simply I hate Lebanon because of the neo-Lebanese who wann bring us to the sixties of the last Century.
Abu Eljamajem, what size your diapers are??.

Lebnese Liona said...

mr smarterthenyou,

I am an ARAN AMERICAN, AND I SUPPORT HB.

SO BRING IT ON!!!!

Your responses are the reason that muslim arabs hate the jews!!!!

shittyzionz said...
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shittyzionz said...

Paul Edwards,
Lol, you are such a funny Nazi! so the Arab world is full of Nazis? How blind was I, thank you for enlightening me! The Arabs were the ones that occupied a state, massacred its locals or just kicked them out. Arabs were the ones that fought almost all of their neighbours and defeated them all.Arabs are the ones who have a state without borders? –thanks to America-. Come on Mr. Edwards, use your common sense for once in your life.
"No you don't. Israel withdrew from Lebanon in 2000, on the condition that the Lebanese Army would be patrolling the southern border. Lebanon violated the agreement".
Don’t you think that you missed out one fact? Shibaa farms & kafr Shoba are still occupied, so we're still entitled to resist! What agreement are you talking about? Does Israel respect the UN resolutions? How about the one that allows Palestinians to go back to their country? They did violate and they are still violating it. Then again, its up to us to patrol or not patrol our army, that’s not your god damn business. We all know our armys abilities, we know that at any crazy moment, Israel will massacre them.
"No, the 2 soldiers were the straw that broke the camel's back. Israel can't sit still while an act of war is committed against it. Stop trying to blame the victim for responding."
What war did HA started? All what theyd done was kidnapping 2 soldiers in a completely military action. The so called "victims" murdered 1100 people 90% were civilians, HA on the other hand, killed 150 people 90% were soldiers!! Pretty good response, eh? Our blood is not as valuable as bloody Israelis, eh? Amnesty International Report showed how terrorists, blood sucking Nazi murderers the Israeli government is.
"Then how do you manage to claim victory, except in your fantasy world?
paying dearly" is not "winning". Good question, it shows that you can sometimes think. However, we won because Israeli failed to accomplish their goals which was- as Olmert him self said at the beginning of this war- that he'll "destroy" HA, after 2 weeks he stated "we want to push HA behind the Litani river" then he said he'll get more forces involved to invade more parts of Lebanon and then they did hold back and stopped for reasons we all know, Merkavas (the best tank in the world) was turned into coffins, that’s how we won, but the winning path is quite difficult you know, our women & children were the favourite targets for the Nazis.
"You are glorifying war like a true Nazi. The reason America has a HUGE alliance is because in the west we don't glorify war. We glorify freedom."
Another funny comment lol, Paul, you really made my day lol. Tell me who loves America –apart from Israel of course? In Europe, the despise you, Australians think you are bunch of stupid war addicts, while south Americans hate your guts. Needless to talk about both Asian & African countries. You can see how popular you are whenever you see your lame ass president visiting any country, residents of those country go to streets to protest. All the free people around the world hate the American Imperialism & the Israeli terror.
"If you don't clean up HA, and Israel doesn't clean up HA, then the Anglophones will. After Iran and Syria have been dealt with."
LMAO, you are really a funny dude!! What are you waiting for? Deal with Syria & Iran, I coudnt care less, but it'd be interesting to see how they slaughter your bunch of sissies AKA troops even when the have the most advanced weapons in the world, you couldn’t beat HA, and they are only a small resistance with stone age weapons, will you be able to beat stronger states with relatively more advance weapons than HA.
Paul, do you know what does your name mean in Arabic? It means "urine" lol I'm using a polite language here lol

Sherri,
Keep it up girl, you are such a nice & kind American lady! Thank you for being objective.

Dunes,
LOL another funny dude! I replied to your first point, just read my post right from the beginning.
Your friend must be so delighted because he came back alive from Lebanon, I think he took off his shoes & all of his guns & ran away. We all know that each unit of HA consists of only 5-7 fighters, their strategy is to hit & hide. Ask him why couldn’t they reach the litany river and settle there? Olmert said he wouldn’t withdraw from there unless the International forces arrive, but apparently he changed his mind,quite moody that chap, isn’t he?

Tony & ME
Keep it up bros, I really love you both!! Let's kick Israelis & pro Israelis out of here like what our HA glorious fighters did some days ago, and then lets "nedbok" o ne7eaa lon albon aktarma hoe ma7roaa halaa .
Long live Lebanon
Long Live to our sooooooooo beloved sayed Nassrallah & HA

Natalie

abou al jamejem said...

Sam of Chayyah, should I call you the funny phrase: " min el shayyah ya kharra". Nobody is is asking anyone about their past, I am sure all the militia in lebanon did some nasty shit including HA when they were abducting foreign nationals with the support of Syria. But what HA did is the worst thing than any militia has done to Lebanon. the militias screwd around during the war time but HA is oing all their nasty shit when there is an independant governeemnt in a sovereign nation. If Joumblat and Harriri Jr. that bad why HA was on their election "lista"during the last election. That can tell one thing is that HA don't care as long as they can get representitive in the parelement.

Mr. Smarterthanyou said...

Well Liona, I am not a jew. I just pay attention and noticed what a bunch of chanting, uneducated Koranimals most of you guys are.

PS You hate the jews because they proved in 48,67,70,73 etc how totally inferior arab/muslim men, goverments and armies are to the Israeli army. Your pathetic egos will not allow you to let go.

shittyzionz said...

sam of chayyah
We have no problem against the USA as a country nor its people. We only hate Bush & his nazi administaration!!
As for Jumblat his such an asshole -pardon my language-he was hiding during the time of the war and now he just show up to spread his poisons!!

Long live Lebanon & our resistance!!

Natalie

abou al jamejem said...

to chittyzions, if you love hasen neseralla "fout bitizou". by the way check these funny websites they are really funny:

http://www.planetnana.co.il/atarsh//flashoo/nasral.html

http://www.amirlotan.com/nassralla/nasralla.html

Mr. Smarterthanyou said...

Regarding other countries hating us, it is easy. ENVY!!!!

Cowards hate the brave, the poor hate the rich, the lazy hate the strong.

When the Western media does it's best to make us look bad, of course we will lose popularity contests. But still, more people want to move here than to all other countries combined.

abou al jamejem said...

Lebanese leona, thank god that you are not Lebanese because I was afraid that we have such dumb people like you in our country. the fact that you are Iranian makes me feel better now.

Mr. Smarterthanyou said...

What Lebonese resistance?

With US, French and Israeli help, you got the Syrians out.

How did your resistance fare against HB?

Or is your resistance pointed against Israel? If you were resisting, you were pretty weak!!! And sadly, you are so filled with hate and stupidity, that you don't realize that you could easily have peace with Israel, if you were strong enough to stop HB from attacking it.

Arab pride is amazing, what have you done that is deserving of pride in the last 500 years?

sam of chayyah said...

Abu eljamajem
why are you stressed out?, yah I know Ha Abducted foreigners not Lenbanese, and I know that your 14 harami of14 ATHAR azka wahad fihon byishbah kis lihmar, have (DABAH) slaughtered Lebanese. One word for you CHILL OUT, you keep barking and nothing will change but your diapers. by the way do you spit my semen or you swallow? cause I want you to suck my KUK....
Oh by the way , don't you call yourself abou eljamajem, it is for men, call yourself, LOOTi,or sissy or Walid, gays these days have these names. OH, don't trash a lot I would track you and feed you my cuk. This chayyah Khara shit you used. This is why I despise Lebanon and the new Lebanon you want to make. Oh, again , this indedependent soverrign Lebanon you are talking about is a lie if General Oun is not the president. All those in government now are bunch of Drug lords and Gays.


Finally........ May I call you looti from now on?

and you don't have to reply because I will not read this blog again, You lebanese are so freaking divided, it is not even worth it I waste my time see how you thik, you are retards. and Idiot, there are like 100 chayyahs in the word, I know arabic, but I am not in Lebanon you dumb ass.

ME said...

Abu al jamajem ,
Why you don’t keep your mouth busy in your bone and shut up and don’t copy my words.
You know what you got the right name that match you Abu al jamajem (the father of the skull) and now every body knows it is empty up there…
Why you embrace your self when I start carry guns that way before you borne and the holes in my body more than your fingers and I got some more during the first 10 days is this war in my legs and that is more than enough information and there is no more answers too you know way it happen early in this just to have enough time to deal with people like you I’m sorry stupid idiot trader people like you next time I take you with me to the front lines but I’m not going to change your diaper and make sure you have enough because it is hared to find an open place to get you more diapers …

Annasru Ata said...
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Paul Edwards said...

shittyzionz, "you are such a funny Nazi!"

No, I'm an anti-Nazi. Your worldview is so screwed that you think black is white and white is black. That's why you never make any scientific advances. You don't live in reality.

"so the Arab world is full of Nazis?"

Yes, it's full of people who wish to see Jews exterminated.

"How blind was I, thank you for enlightening me!"

No problem.

"The Arabs were the ones that occupied a state, massacred its locals or just kicked them out."

Yes, the Arab states were the ones who systematically drove out the Jews, even though the Jews were citizens who had committed no crime.

"Arabs were the ones that fought almost all of their neighbours and defeated them all."

No, the Arabs TRIED to exterminate the Jews, but this time the Jews fought back.

"Arabs are the ones who have a state without borders?"

Yes, Lebanon just makes up that it owns the Shebba Farms when that territory was captured from Syria.

"Don’t you think that you missed out one fact? Shibaa farms & kafr Shoba are still occupied"

Israel is not occupying any Lebanese territory as recognized by the UN.

"so we're still entitled to resist!"

If the Israelis knew that you dishonest Lebanese were going to continue fighting because of Syrian territory, Israel would never have withdrawn in the first place. They agreed to withdraw to UN-recognized borders on the condition that the Lebanese army took over South Lebanon. You Nazis are just looking for any excuse to attack Israel.

"What agreement are you talking about?"

The one that saw Israel withdraw in 2000.

"Does Israel respect the UN resolutions?"

Yes, that's why it withdrew from Lebanese territory, despite having grave doubts about whether Lebanon would stick to its side of the bargain.

"How about the one that allows Palestinians to go back to their country?"

There is no Chapter 7 UN resolution demanding any such thing. There IS a chapter 7 resolution demanding that Hizbullah be disarmed.

"They did violate and they are still violating it."

There's still an ongoing territorial dispute with the Palestinians. This is no excuse for you to violate a Chapter 7 UN resolution and be a dishonest actor.

"Then again, its up to us to patrol or not patrol our army, that’s not your god damn business."

It is. That was the agreement for the Israelis leaving in 2000, and there is a UN Chapter 7 resolution confirming that Hizbullah must be disbanded. You're just a dishonest Nazi.

"We all know our armys abilities, we know that at any crazy moment, Israel will massacre them."

No, Israel doesn't do things like that. You just THINK Israel wants to do things like that because that's what YOU want to do to Israel, and you assume that Israel thinks the same as you. You're wrong. Israel is a liberal democracy. It doesn't wish to subjugate others. It wishes to spread rational, humanist, non-subjugating government, the same as the Anglophone countries do.

"All what theyd done was kidnapping 2 soldiers in a completely military action."

That is an act of war. A state has an OBLIGATION to respond to an act of war.

"The so called "victims" murdered 1100 people 90% were civilians"

They didn't MURDER anyone at all. They were attempting to destroy military targets, and HA had placed their military targets in civilian areas.

"HA on the other hand, killed 150 people 90% were soldiers!!"

HA *tried* to kill as many Israeli civilians as it could. Fortunately the Israeli civilians have bomb shelters to hide in.

"Our blood is not as valuable as bloody Israelis, eh?"

Your blood is not valuable to HA. That's why they use civilians as human shields.

"Amnesty International Report showed how terrorists, blood sucking Nazi murderers the Israeli government is."

Amnesty is a left-wing organization that sides with terrorists in an attempt to undermine right-wing democracies.

"However, we won because Israeli failed to accomplish their goals"

That's because Lebanon was crying for a ceasefire. HA would have been destroyed had the war been allowed to continue.

"our women & children were the favourite targets for the Nazis."

No, your women and children were human shields for your Nazis.

"Tell me who loves America –apart from Israel of course?"

Check out the LONG list of allies in Afghanistan, who are helping America respond to the 9/11 attacks.

"In Europe, the despise you"

You are confused. The anti-American rhetoric is just out of jealousy. They don't really hate America. They wouldn't pick up arms to oppose America. In actual fact they pick up arms to DEFEND America, and they have formed the huge NATO alliance.

"Australians think you are bunch of stupid war addicts"

I am Australian, BTW. And that's not what Australians think. At the time of the Iraq war, 57% of Australians were in favour of liberating Iraq, 36% were in favour of institutionalized rape. You can see the results at www.newspoll.com.au (search for Iraq).

"while south Americans hate your guts."

South Americans don't speak with one voice, and they certainly aren't taking up arms against America.

"Needless to talk about both Asian & African countries."

The Philippines even sent troops to Iraq. African countries aren't hostile to America.

"You can see how popular you are whenever you see your lame ass president visiting any country, residents of those country go to streets to protest."

You're confused again. Protestors make up a SMALL MINORITY of that country's population. They are meaningless, except to show that the country allows free protests. If you want to know what the people think, you need to take an opinion poll. And even then, in the field of GEOSTRATEGY, what matters is whether they are willing to take up arms against you. They're not. They're either ALLYING with America, or they're NEUTRAL. You Nazis have NO chance of winning this war. The free world is WAY too strong.

"All the free people around the world hate the American Imperialism & the Israeli terror."

America is not an imperialist country. You only think that it is, because YOU would be an imperialist if YOU had power, and you assume that everyone thinks the same way as you. Well you're wrong. Anglophone culture is different. We believe in LIBERATING people. Specifically the ideology that we are spreading is RATIONAL, HUMANIST, NON-SUBJUGATING government. We do have a problem with anti-Jewish racism in the free world, but once again, no-one is that racist that they're willing to take up arms against Israel. So Israel will win.

"What are you waiting for? Deal with Syria & Iran"

We're waiting for Iraq to quieten down so that the Anglophone troops will be available for the next liberation.

"it'd be interesting to see how they slaughter your bunch of sissies AKA troops"

You have no grasp of reality. Iran and Syria have no chance at all against the Anglophone forces. Especially since the Anglophones are only trying to end the subjugation of the people. We have anti-subjugator allies in both those countries who are waiting for an opportunity to be freed, and ready to take up arms to help us liberate them.

"you couldn’t beat HA"

We can beat HA. You sissies wanted a ceasefire. Israel and America weren't the ones asking for a ceasefire. I am unsure why Israel and the US agreed to a ceasefire. It was probably to give the Lebanese army a chance to govern its own territory.

"will you be able to beat stronger states with relatively more advance weapons than HA."

Yes. With Iran and Syria it is only necessary to defeat the fielded forces. And then the survivors of those fielded forces can be reused as the new army. Most will come across so long as they are paid. Iraq is unusual in that we were trying to construct a "model democracy" with western-style institutions, so it was necessary to disband the old military. We don't need to do that with all the remaining countries to be liberated. You have NO IDEA of the power you Nazis are up against. You have NO CHANCE of beating us anti-Nazis, so long as we keep right-wing governments in power.

Paul Edwards said...

Annasru Ata, "how free are u when ur president is the son of one of ur earlier ones."

Americans are totally free. They are not being subjugated. Bush was democratically elected, and is not a subjugator.

"its so obvious how come nomination time they all kiss jewish ass so they can become presidents."

Americans WANT to support the Israeli liberal democracy in the Middle East against the Nazis who surround it.

"to the others may God help u and ur US ass licking leaders."

This is where you're confused. Free people don't kiss US arse. Nor does the US WANT free people to kiss its arse. Free people NATURALLY ally with the US, because free people tend to stick together for mutual protection against subjugators.

"there will come a time when the US isnt the world's superpower"

That is why we need to de-Nazify the Middle East, as was done in Germany after WWII. We need to make sure that your children are being taught that all humans are equal and have human rights, instead of being taught that Jews are pigs. It's a big effort that is being slowly addressed.

"anymore nd i hope u will be treated with the same injustice and hate that uv inflicted on us."

You're the one who is full of hate and injustice. Israel is happy to let you live in peace. Do you realise that even if you had NO MILITARY AT ALL that Israel wouldn't invade you? Israel would PROTECT you from a dictator like Syria. All you need to do is ask. Israel protected Jordan from Syria too.

"oh and abt arab pride well what we did isnt for any arab leader(who aldo are the US's other poodles)"

The Arab leaders are not US poodles either. They just aren't HOSTILE.

"but for the repressed ppl."

The repressed people are the people of Lebanon who can't publicly say they are against Hizbullah because they will be assassinated.

"the only democratic countries in the Middle east are Lebanon and israel."

That's right. And because of that, the potential is there for Lebanon and Israel to be ALLIES. BTW, Iraq is also a democracy, and it is asking to join NATO.

"but getting us to become ignorant US policy servants"

No-one is asking you to become a servant of the US. We just want you to look after Lebanon's interests, and respect human rights. To have a rational, humanist, non-subjugating government.

abou al jamejem said...

Sam of Chayyah, the only "looty" overhere is you and the proof is that you fantasise about doing some gay staff you stupid fagged. By the way I will like to "nick ekhtak w chabbe3a neyeke w khalleya tsarrekh" and I can do your mom too. and again "min el Cheyyah ya kharra". w ayri fik w ayri bi neseralla, w ayri bi bachar w ayri bi ahmadinajad w ayri bi 3oun w lahood ertet maneyek".

ME said...

Paul Edwards,
Seems you live on welfare you got a plenty of time to answer every one every sentence I wish we do have this system so we can be lazy and got time like you …
What English language you want us to talk to you if this English all of you can’t understand do you want us to talk to you in Arabic ,French, Japanese please we gave up what language you want us to talk to you all so you can understand please give us help…
Right now I got no choice I will write you in English till you let me know what language you can understand can you define for us what is the meaning of freedom and democracy or you want me to explain it for all of you let see how much I know about freedom and democracy tapping the country phones, watching banks accounts ,people color is a problem, news fixed to blind the people of America fix elections by illegal voters, recount votes by cry baby lose, killing the children in the world ,if you are not with us you are a terrorist and if I’m not with and I’m not a terrorist so most likely I’m from other planet, Muslim religion belong to terrorist and more…
If this the freedom so the communist countries they are free countries you are no different only they are not afraid to say they are terrorist it make sense if this is the freedom keep it to your self and come to Lebanon and learn we are not what they tell you to blind you…
Talking about Nazis if you watch your CNN Wolf show Seymour Hersh give it to him and shut him up when he told him that you president and the Israel made the plan way before this war to practice how they going to hit Iran and you were helping in this war so HEZ beat you both in other word they kill are children for practice shame on you all you are the real Nazis and shut your mouth up all of you, now we are really angry…

Check this link all

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060821fa_fact

ME said...

Abu Al Jamejem,

Stop barking and keep it between you and the person don’t bring mother or any in the subject and if you are a tough man why you don’t go to Cheyyah and open you mouth like this I think you looking for a face make over don’t worry it will be don in Cheyyah for free so shut your mouth and step in Cheyyah you going to looks funny…

Paul Edwards said...

ME, "can you define for us what is the meaning of freedom"

Freedom is living under a RATIONAL, HUMANIST and NON-SUBJUGATING government. You will need to look up "subjugate" in the dictionary. Here is the Arabic translation of "fight subjugation" - "mouharabeet al isti3bad".

"tapping the country phones, watching banks accounts"

A democratic government has an obligation to protect its citizens.

"people color is a problem"

No, as part of living under a HUMANIST government, the government can't discriminate against people based on their race or religion.

"news fixed to blind the people of America"

No, in the free world our media is free. Unlike the propaganda you get fed in the Middle East.

"fix elections by illegal voters, recount votes by cry baby lose"

Our elections are free and fair too.

"killing the children in the world"

The free world doesn't target children.

"Muslim religion belong to terrorist"

Yes, Islam promotes violence against non-Muslims. It is a Nazi religion. Read 33:50 in the Quran, which says you can have sex with your slaves! Do you think God wrote this crap?

"If this the freedom so the communist countries they are free countries"

No, communist countries are dogmatic instead of rational, non-humanist instead of humanist, and subjugators instead of non-subjugators or anti-subjugators.

"you are no different"

We are completely different. We are rational, humanist and anti-subjugation.

"Israel made the plan way before this war to practice how they going to hit Iran"

Yes, Iran is a dogmatic, non-humanist and subjugating government. It needs to be toppled.

"you are the real Nazis"

No, you are the Nazis. You teach your children to hate Jews, and you plot and plan about how you can wipe out the Jews. Just like Hitler. The only difference between you and Hitler is that you're currently too weak to carry out your genocidal plans. The free world learnt a lesson from WWII, and that is to defeat the enemy before he gets too strong. You will be defeated.

abou al jamejem said...

me, shut the fuck up, I am not talking to you, you piece of shit, just shut up, when I talk to you then you can answer. I am not scare of the Chiyyah or any other area, I grew up in the toghest area in Lebanon. so I don't need your stupid words you dumm fuck.

ME said...

Abu Al Jamejem,

I wish you say that right in front of my face …
It was better for you to shut up and use a normal people language not low life street rat language that shows you are an idiot and stupid this is the only words you know to fill up sentences if this the only language you know so shut up and get out and stop posting in here we don’t share this kind of words and we don’t disrespect each other mothers and family even we all enemy to each others that mean if you don’t respect are mothers defiantly you don’t have respect to your own mother so you have no place between us …
I’m sorry every body not all Lebanese they are like him I got mother and I know how much she mean to me from here I send a total love and respect for all mother in the world Lebanese ,American,, Israeli Even your mother Abu Al Jamejem because she need some body to respect her and etc..
I would like to know how old you are you sound you are a 15 years old and I would like to know the name of the tough place were you grew up because I thought Lebanese they are tough not the towns you should get your act together and stop barking on line I know you are not afraid to use these words on the people face but you out of DIAPERS that’s why you are not trying yet and shat up from now low life.

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