Tuesday, July 25, 2006

Invictus-Updated

I got this from a good friend:

Invictus, by William Ernest Henley (1849-1903)

Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the Pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.

In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.

Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds, and shall find me, unafraid.

It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

Update: To those who claim the current aggression on Lebanon is an Israel-Hezbollah conflict, this may have been true before the first Lebanese civilians of this aggression were killed. The first charred baby was in everyone’s minds long before the first rockets fell inside Israeli territory. I posted this poem in solidarity with the Lebanese people's persistence against the Israeli army's crimes. To use language you understand: Lebanon will prevail.

33 comments:

Lirun said...

and precisely this self-determination.. dear brothers and sisters in lebanon.. is one thing that i think the entire state of israel as well as most of the world is wishing for you at this moment..

lirun
tel-aviv
www.emspeace.blogspot.com
ultimately there is no other way

Tel Aviv 1 said...

For Lebanon to command its own fate and destiny, Hezbollah, Syria and Iran must stay out of the country's business.

Hassan said...

Yes, I indeed thank 'the entire state of israel as well as most of the world' for their good wishes, and the training they are giving us in patience and endurance. Exactly what the Lebanese people needs: the killing of our babies and the destruciton of our country.

David said...

I feel horrible about the Lebaneese civilains killed. If this conflict has shown anything, however, it is that Hezbollah is the de facto government of Lebannon. They answer to no one and no Lebaneese can stop anything they do. Sooner ot later Hezbollah will grown strong enough with Iranian and Syrian help to take over the country. How long before another civil war erupted killing tens of thousands more people? 5 years? 10?

Lirun said...

i hope one day http://lebnightlife.blogspot.com/ will be a lively blog again

and i hope all babies.. yours and ours will be safe..

awesome said...

I think Israel gone too far.Israil open shot to Turkish ships that using for rescuing Lebanese people from Beirut.Although nobody got hurt.There is no reason say in the news but Israil also blocked Lubanon by sea and they are holding ships with no reason.This war is just getting uglier than its started.Besides losses of civilians from both side, Lubanon people has to resettle in other countries,finding a job,home etc. just making their life more harder.I do not read any news flying or leaving country from Israil yet.Losses of this war is only civilians and largely Lebanese people.Any reason shown by Israile is just not fitting to view, defending "right to exist" and "bombing sovereign country" are very wide different issues. if other country such as my country(Turkey) can make same thing with Iraq that they are supporting PKK(Kurdish terrorist military) that killing my people over years.Now every nation has such a right to bomb other country whose terrorism supporter? I do not think so.

"Israel says it will hold a "security" zone in southern Lebanon until an international force can be deployed." was in the news today.Turkey is being friendly both nation years and today (besides Turkey) leading by USA, every nation offering Turkey as a peacekeeping role.I hope Turkish soldiers are not take any such a role if there is no ceasfire or peace.

Human rights group which located in US blamed Israil to using Cluster boms which can be result by more civilians lost their lives.Also reading a news that says controlling aids and allowing them in to Lubenon by Israil??I guess they did one thing right!

Haustat1 said...

God bless you, Hassan!! I agree with you entirely and, Inshallah, the heroic people of south Lebanon will prevail over these savage, beastly enemies AND their "5TH COLUMN" supporters. I love labelling the enemy contingent "within" that condones US-Israeli barbarity against the Arab people as a "5TH COLUMN." I thank Ayat Allah (Imam) Ahmad Al Hussaini Al Baghdad in Najaf for first introducing me to the idea of a "5th column" in the Arab world. Imam Al Baghdadi collectively refers to ALL the whore servants for America and Israel inside Iraq who cower behind the skirts of the heinous occupiers in Baghdad's Green Zone as America's Fifth Column. He predicts that all of America's whore servants in Iraq - including those that entered US-occupied Iraq on the backs of US tanks AND the reclusive "senior" clerics in Iraq who are "silent" and tacitly support America's crimes and atrocities in Iraq - will be swept away along with America's barbaric occupation.

Lirun said...
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Lirun said...

haustat1

you are quite a charachter..

i acknowledge your passion.. however i dont believe for a minute that you dislike war.. your words are those of a person bred to hate.. sweeping generalisations that are basically low quality propaganda..

people who oppose war fall into two categories.. the first actually believes in the prospects for peaceful coexistence and/or seek its.. the second is a wolf in sheep's clothing..

i personally hope you'll learn eventually that random incitement promotes the interest of those who in fact hate you too..

wishing for peace to conquer our fragile region without delay

lirun
telaviv
www.emspeace.blogspot.com
hatred is inherently self defeating

Stan said...

Morality is not on our side
By Ze'ev Maoz, Haaretz

There's practically a holy consensus right now that the war in the North is a just war and that morality is on our side. The bitter truth must be said: this holy consensus is based on short-range selective memory, an introverted worldview, and double standards.

This war is not a just war. Israel is using excessive force without distinguishing between civilian population and enemy, whose sole purpose is extortion. That is not to say that morality and justice are on Hezbollah's side. Most certainly not. But the fact that Hezbollah "started it" when it kidnapped soldiers from across an international border does not even begin to tilt the scales of justice toward our side.

Let's start with a few facts. We invaded a sovereign state, and occupied its capital in 1982. In the process of this occupation, we dropped several tons of bombs from the air, ground and sea, while wounding and killing thousands of civilians. Approximately 14,000 civilians were killed between June and September of 1982, according to a conservative estimate. The majority of these civilians had nothing to do with the PLO, which provided the official pretext for the war.

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In Operations Accountability and Grapes of Wrath, we caused the mass flight of about 500,000 refugees from southern Lebanon on each occasion. There are no exact data on the number of casualties in these operations, but one can recall that in Operation Grapes of Wrath, we bombed a shelter in the village of Kafr Kana which killed 103 civilians. The bombing may have been accidental, but that did not make the operation any more moral.

On July 28, 1989, we kidnapped Sheikh Obeid, and on May 12, 1994, we kidnapped Mustafa Dirani, who had captured Ron Arad. Israel held these two people and another 20-odd Lebanese detainees without trial, as "negotiating chips." That which is permissible to us is, of course, forbidden to Hezbollah.

Hezbollah crossed a border that is recognized by the international community. That is true. What we are forgetting is that ever since our withdrawal from Lebanon, the Israel Air Force has conducted photo-surveillance sorties on a daily basis in Lebanese airspace. While these flights caused no casualties, border violations are border violations. Here too, morality is not on our side.

So much for the history of morality. Now, let's consider current affairs. What exactly is the difference between launching Katyushas into civilian population centers in Israel and the Israel Air Force bombing population centers in south Beirut, Tyre, Sidon and Tripoli? The IDF has fired thousands of shells into south Lebanon villages, alleging that Hezbollah men are concealed among the civilian population. Approximately 25 Israeli civilians have been killed as a result of Katyusha missiles to date. The number of dead in Lebanon, the vast majority comprised of civilians who have nothing to do with Hezbollah, is more than 300.

Worse yet, bombing infrastructure targets such as power stations, bridges and other civil facilities turns the entire Lebanese civilian population into a victim and hostage, even if we are not physically harming civilians. The use of bombings to achieve a diplomatic goal - namely, coercing the Lebanese government into implementing UN Security Council Resolution 1559 - is an attempt at political blackmail, and no less than the kidnapping of IDF soldiers by Hezbollah is the aim of bringing about a prisoner exchange.

There is a propaganda aspect to this war, and it involves a competition as to who is more miserable. Each side tries to persuade the world that it is more miserable. As in every propaganda campaign, the use of information is selective, distorted and self-righteous. If we want to base our information (or shall we call it propaganda?) policy on the assumption that the international environment is going to buy the dubious merchandise that we are selling, be it out of ignorance or hypocrisy, then fine. But in terms of our own national soul searching, we owe ourselves to confront the bitter truth - maybe we will win this conflict on the military field, maybe we will make some diplomatic gains, but on the moral plane, we have no advantage, and we have no special status.

awesome said...

"maybe we will win this conflict on the military field, maybe we will make some diplomatic gains, but on the moral plane, we have no advantage, and we have no special status."

I am %100 behind this comment.We should all thank Mr.Ze'ev Maoz makes Israili think about their government policies.Israil needs peace more than any other nation on the planet and i would like to see Israeli readers what they are thinking about their government and policies.So far discussions on just HB base.Morality can be erase what have you been earned, history teach you that.Any gain earn by inmoral can not be stay in peace.

Stan said...

Another case of Iraeli double standards and hypocrasy:


"Israelis accused of 'human shields' tactic
By Lucy Williamson
BBC News, Gaza

The Israeli army has been accused of using Palestinian civilians as human shields in an operation in northern Gaza.

According to the Israeli human rights group, B'tselem, six civilians including two minors were subjected to the illegal tactic during an incursion into the town of Beit Hanoun last week. "

Itai said...

I don't mind Israelis talking nonsense on the media, freedom of speech and all that. But this sort of talk is only among detached loony left proffesors.

However I wouldn't like the Lebanese people to be dissapointed.



More than 95% of the Israelis support their governments action. Most of them would like to see a much more aggressive response. The popular call now is for the IDF to launch a full scale invasion. The air force uses now about 10% of its volume and the public calls to pump it up.



So the real way out of this remains the same:

1. Return our kidnapped soldiers unconditionally.

2. Disarm Hezbollah

3. Deploy your soveriegn army on ALL of your land.

I don't think these demands are far fetched or unreasonable. In fact they serve Lebanon's interest too.

Stan said...

I would have appreciated it more if you would have refuted his arguments with some logical points instead of immediately dismissing it as lunatic leftist propaganda. I know truth and criticism can be harsh sometimes especially when its directed to God's chosen people.
I guess you are one of those Israelis with the short selective memory and the introverted worldview he was refering to.

Now to cut it short, here is the real way out:

1. Immediate cease fire
2. Israel return Lebanese prisoners, dead or alive
3. Israel leaves Shebaa farm
4. Israel refrains from invading our airspace

In return, Hizbullah will return kidnapped soldiers, Lebanese army deploys in South and Hizbullah arms are integrated in some defensive startegy to avoid any future Israeli invasion.

awesome said...

Itai said...

I guess your comments explain why hahams issuing order to kill children or womens Lebanon in war times.That 95% which supporting this inmortal action will not be in peace forever.COnditions that you put will not be an solution cause of terrorism is a so transparent defination and HB can leave its attack some other group which we have not heard their names.You are fighting with invisible enemy, the enemy that hatred which continuously increasing from world and not only in muslim world.Israil is making big mistakes starting from its establish and you are paying a price not be in the peace.As long as you think, Israili inmortal actions are right or supportive, the conditions will not change but get worse for every nation in the area.I believe existince of Israil, but not to harm other countries people or countries cause of its fears.Its citizens never critize Israeli government actions.Is it a democracy?

Itai said...

stan said...


you are right, i didn't bother to refute his arguments. The fact that an Israeli repeats claims you heard from foreigners doesn't give them any more credibility in my eyes.



I don't defend any action done by my country. For example: last year 2 policemen treated sadistically an Arab who threw rocks at them. I do feel ashamed as an Israeli for such incidents. I can give more examples if you like. I think there are rotten apples amongst any people. In Israel these policemen were sentenced to prison. What sentence do terrorists who hurt Israelis serve in Lebanon?


Basic facts of the current conflict as I see them:
1. HA are Lebanese

2. On July 12 HA crossed the recognized international border into sovereign Israeli territory. HA ambushed and killed 8 Israeli soldiers and wounded and kidnapped 2 others. HA also shelled Israeli military bases and civilian villages in order to distract attention from their invading force. On that day the current war started.

3. HA use civilian infrastructure. They fire missiles at Israeli populated areas from within civilian Lebanese towns and villages.


4. Israel uses a small fraction of its firepower and aims it at HA though the collateral damage is considerable. HA on the other side uses all his power and directs it at civilians. The fact that HA is weaker doesn’t make Lebanon the victim, just weaker that’s all.


So given all those facts, I'm sad for Lebanese civilians getting killed by our air force but I don't feel guilty. I feel that HA are guilty for Lebanese civilians deaths as well as for ours. So goes for Lebanon's infrastructure.


But I really think all this "who's right, who's wrong" is pointless and futile at that point.
"War doesn't determine who's right, it determines who's left."
I think Roosevelt said that. What we can certainly agree about is that Israel has superior firepower and a green light from the U.S.A. to continue the war.
So Stan, insisting on YOUR terms wouldn’t be very smart, would it?

Unless you think getting some prisoners and a few acres of land are a good enough cause to destroy your country for. But my guess is you are not a Lebanese just a HA supporter or an Israel hater which is practically the same.

Dimitry said...

The first charred baby was in everyone’s minds long before the first rockets fell inside Israeli territory.

Incorrect. The abduction operation was done under the cover of bombardements of Israeli towns and villages. Not to speak of the previous abduction of soldiers, and many incidents in the last several years when rockets were launched at Israel.

It seems like the trend is to pretend everything have been just rosy before, and Israel's complete and utter overreaction to Hizballah stepping on it's toes (aw shucks).

Stan said...

Itai dude,
Forget about "who's right and whose not", Its about outcomes and how to acheive them. You think that waging a barbaric war on Lebanon will help you live in security and eliminate Hizbullah threat and I beg to differ. I wont dwell more on this but you can read this: http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2006/07/israels-false-assumptions-about.html
Its not about my terms or your terms. Its about finding a long lasting solution to the problem. As long as Shebaa is not liberated , as long as you hold our prisoners, as long as you keep invading our airpace and shooting at our sheperds, You will always remain my ennemy and you shall never live in peace. This I can guarantee it to you. You can blackmail us as much as you want but we will recover and come back to hit you hard in the future. If its not Hizbullah it will be some other group. If its not today it will few years from now.
So the ball is in your government field, eliminate the source of injustice and then we, Lebanese, will finish the job and guarantee you your security. Just like you have the right to live in a sovereign state with dignity, we also do.
I have no more intention of dragging this debate any further. Either you get it or you dont. Just spare me the typical Israeli apologetic rethoric.
Shalom

Dimitry said...

stan,

The list of is full of assumptions about Israel's naivity. Facts are, Hiz posed a threat to Israel, Lebanon's government didn't seem to do anything efficient to prevent that, and therefore an attack was neccesery. Perhaps the only hope, and I doubt anybody counted on that, was that the Lebanese could tell cause from effect, and realize that Hiz's existance and actions only damage their country.

Tell me please. Do you really think that if we retreat from a few pretty empty square miles (what's the history? You leased them from Syria, or something?) and release Lebanese prisoners (including people who breavely fought the occupation by killing children in cold blood), Hiz would disarm itself? Lebanese army and spirit would somehow be empowered and they would march down on Hiz if they refuse to stop attacking Israel? Seriusly.

Stan said...

Dimitri
"do you really think that if we retreat from a few pretty empty square miles and release Lebanese prisoners (including people who breavely fought the occupation by killing children in cold blood), Hiz would disarm itself? Lebanese army and spirit would somehow be empowered and they would march down on Hiz if they refuse to stop attacking Israel? Seriusly."

Yes I do. Hizbullah had a green light from the government to keep resisting till they achieve the above objectives. Take away those, Hizbullah will loose their last bargaining card to hold on to their arms. They would automatically move from the attack position to the defense.
By refusing to meet those demands, Isael was giving free lunch to Hizb.
Now with their last endeavor, they are once more rendering free services to Hizbullah by consolidating the image of Israel among Lebanese being the eternal ennemy of Lebanon.

Itai said...

Stan said...

Well you just keep making threats so I guess this discussion is over. We'll let the F-16s and Katiushas do the talking for us. Such a shame. I'm glad my side has the F16s and yours the Katiushas.

Dimitry said...

Hizbullah had a green light from the government to keep resisting till they achieve the above objectives.

You do realize this is effective declaretion of war, right? So you're basically admitting that the sovereign state of Lebanon was in a de-facto state of war with Israel? In that case, why do you complain we attack the state of Lebanon?


Take away those, Hizbullah will loose their last bargaining card to hold on to their arms. They would automatically move from the attack position to the defense.

And... what? Disarm? Hiz, by all accounts, is much more willing to go to civil war than the Lebanese government.
They would fight for the Right of Return of the Palestinian refugees in Lebanon. They would fight for freeing the occupied Syrian Land of Golan Heights. They would fight for freeing the Occupied Palestinian Galilee. What would the Lebanese government do faced with those arguments? Fight? It is pretty much established they won't do it. What then?

Stan said...

1) Its Israel thats occupying Shebaa and and,... not us. You are breaching our sovereignty and not the other way. You were asking for Hizb move. In fact they warned you about it since April, but you ignored.
The first step is to admit that Israel was breaching Lebanese soveriegnty well before the latest kidnapping. The hizb operation was a reaction and not the precursor. Maybe it was a bit foolish and had a bad timing, but its completely justified from a Lebanese perspective.
2) It may sound outragous to you, but Hizb cannot fight for a foreign agenda. They cannot afford it. Nasrallah even made it clear on several occasions that eventhough he would love to fight you guys and liberate Palestine, he cannot do it. The price is simply too high. The scope of military actions against Israel will end after full Lebanese sovereignty is restored, nothing more nothing less. After that, Hizbullah will either disarm or integrate into some defensive startegy. So you will have nothing to worry about as long as you behave.

Gidi said...

Well, gee Stan,

Its Israel thats occupying Shebaa and and,... not us. You are breaching our sovereignty and not the other way.
Are Sheb'aa farms Lebanese territory? I think I may know of a few Syrians who'd beg to differ. Moreover, I'd say there's an entire international community that'll beg to differ.

Maybe it was a bit foolish and had a bad timing, but its completely justified from a Lebanese perspective.
Oh, well, if it justified from a Lebanese perspective than I guess everybody's in the wrong. Just so long as we're clear on our common standards...

The scope of military actions against Israel will end after full Lebanese sovereignty is restored, nothing more nothing less. After that, Hizbullah will either disarm or integrate into some defensive startegy. So you will have nothing to worry about as long as you behave.
I see. But tell me this: if Hizbulla is all for Lebanese soverenignty, how come they didn't push Syria out of Lebanon since day one? You may turn a blind eye to Hizbulla's true creed, but don't be surprised if you seem extremely rediculous doing so.
As it were, being armed and funded by a fundamentalist totalitarian islamic state that calls openly for the destruction of Israel seems to speak volumes about Hizbulla's commitment for peace and stability in the region.

Stan said...

Lets say Shebaa is not lebanese for the sake of argumentation, what about the and and,....


"if Hizbulla is all for Lebanese soverenignty, how come they didn't push Syria out of Lebanon since day one? You may turn a blind eye to Hizbulla's true creed, but don't be surprised if you seem extremely rediculous doing so.
As it were, being armed and funded by a fundamentalist totalitarian islamic state that calls openly for the destruction of Israel seems to speak volumes about Hizbulla's commitment for peace and stability in the region."

I never said that Hizbullah is all for Lebanese soveriegnty. It just coincides with their agenda. They are a religious party funded by Iran and all that bla bla...But their role as a military force will have to end as soon as they loose the Lebanese cover. They know that and the Iranians know that.
I am sure we all want the same thing which is the end of Hizbullah. We just diagree on the means to get there. Right now, Israel is only strengthening their cause. The sooner you realize that the better we all are.

marc said...

"So you will have nothing to worry about as long as you behave." Sure, stan, sure. Let the Israelis behave themselves. My co-religionists told their ancestors that for several centuries, and those same soothing words were also spoken by the apologists and collaborators of the Nazis: I think that the Israelis know better than to believe such evil nonsense now.

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Dimitry said...

stan
Nice try. Yes, Israel breached Lebanese soverginity in osuth Lebanon, but that's because an self-proclaimed enemy of the state of Israel was sitting there, gaining strength, and occasionally attacking Israel. The pretense that this was the only thing Hiz done against for the last 6 years is rediculus.

If Lebanon feels that Shebaa farms and prisoners are an issue worth having war on, I really don't see what is their problem with the current situation.


And you still didn't tell me what would happen if Israel gives in to all demand. What happends. Give me a sketch of the timeline. You say Hiz won't be able to afford fighting for other causes. Why? How? what would happen if they do?

Gidi said...

Stan,

Idleness strengthens them just as much. I keep hearing how you "were never given a chance" or you did not "have enough time". I say hogwash. There was never any true willingness to move against Hizbulla. Whether it was due to their social aide, whether it was lack of unity between rival parties, whether it was just a unconscious acceptance of Hizbulla's agenda -- it matters none.
You're all retrospectful peace-lovers. Bleeding hearts, who speak of cease-fires and ending agression only after agression flairs. I give you no credit whatsoever. Here, in Israel, when most people express their solidarity and backing, you have grwoing voices against the violence. Even though their stance is absurd, and their agendas just as brainwashed as any, their voices are heard. So far, all we hear from Lebanon are pro-Hizbulla demonstrations. It's all very good and well, being the intellectual, liberal and free-thinking elite; but having your voice drowned-out by outspoken zelots or simpltons is a tragedy.

So, regardless of whether Israel's actions are justified are not, your huff is all but irrelevent. Simply put, Israel had only one operative choice since you and yours never provided a viable alternative! Truth is, if Hizbulla hadn't attack as they did (or, possibly, did and were unsuccessful) the status-quo would have lingered. This is your responsibilty, even more than ours.

Marion Delgado said...

Where do I ask about this? According to Asia Today, Agence France Presse, Monsters and Critics and others, the 2 soldiers were captured in South Lebanon, on the Lebanese side of the border. Most of these cites, many collected here say, specifically, near or in Aiita ech Chaab.

However, many other sources, including the AP, Reuters, Robert Fisk, say they were captured on the Israeli side. Fisk says specifically by Marouahme (I think that's what his "Marwhin" is on my map), where the early massacre was. These seem like later sources, so maybe they correct the earlier reports?

But Marwhin is 5km NW of Aiita ech Chaab, it looks to me. Therefore, how is this big a confusion possible?

Plus isn't it important whether it was on the Israeli side that the soldiers were captured (no one says anything about the tank)? And since Marwhin is also in Lebanon, if that is the real place where the raid happened, where precisely was it, and how can an outsider find out? Was it right on the border?

Or is Hezbollah's position that it doesn't matter, because they were crossing into Lebanon? Because it's Israel's position that the soldiers were minding their own business and taken by surprise in Israel and that's why the raid succeeded.

Or is it Israel's position that they have the right to go a little into Lebanon when they feel like it, so it doesn't matter if it was in Aiita ech Chaab or not?

It's confusing. If it's definitely established that the soldiers were captured in Israel, several blogs should correct themselves. And the other way round if it was on the Lebanese side, even near Marwhin.

exguru said...

War is hell, and has been since long before Sherman coined the phrase... Babies die in wartime assaults, like everybody else. Yet, I can't fault anyone for fighting back when missiles start falling out of the sky. Are they supposed to sit there and be murdered?

Lebanon is often called "the Paris of the Middle East." It is, I don't doubt, quite beautiful. And prosperous. I have always heard there are people in Beirut who make an awful lot of money. The beaches look gorgeous.

Why don't they create an all-volunteer army, by paying high wages, and use it to keep the hezbollah out and also the Syrians? The Jews are strong and fast and smart, but they won't invade (any more, with their permanent demographic dilemma) if you are not a threat to them, or harboring a threat to them. In the present situation, as I see it, the Jews had no choice. In fact, the Jews are very fortunate that the present situation illustrated clearly to all doubters (or should have) that the purpose of their enemies was not to recover land, but to murder them all. If you had any doubts of this, the rejection of the Barak deal with Clinton, and the events in Gaza following Israeli withdrawal, should by now have convinced you.

Dimitry said...

marion,

The kindapping occured on the Israeli side of the border, when a force Hiz force crossed the border, ambushed an IDF patrol, killed 3 soldiers and kidnapped 2.
Followed by that, Israeli force attempted to enter Lebanon to pursue and got cought in a fight, and then the other 5 soldiers died.

With a slight emphasis on either half of the story, it is easy to confuse a random person and make it appear like everything occured on the same place.

Sweetwalter said...

"I am the master of my fate..
I am the captain of my SOUL..."
Hey buddy, don't you realize that Hezbollah would FUCKIN' never agree to that line...wake up asshole...they are pledged to controlling people, destroying Israel and fomenting unrest in the world until they reach the objectives of their masters in Syria and Iran...follow the fucking money and arms...ya know, you and the Israeli's deserve each other..here in the States, we hope you both blow each other to hell....Wap, Jr.