I don't know what to say anymore. Sayyid Nasrallah is still alive and declaring an open war. Where is our President? Where are our Ministers? Prime Minister? Members of Parliament?
All these institutions and the guardians of these institutions are obsolete at this point. Nasrallah is leading the show. He's defying everything and everyone. He is assuming the position of the guardian of the Prophet's Family, against all odds. This is not about Lebanon anymore; this is about Nasrallah's pride.
The Iran-Syria Axis has just fully materialized!
An Israeli warship was hit on the coast off of Beirut, the same warship that hit Hizbullah's headquarters which housed Nasrallah.
Lebanon is a hostage and all the Lebanese people are a pawn in the hands of the few.
Update: Rumours in the streets of Saida are that the Israelis have landed a ground force. The rumours are unfounded, but the city is terrified!
Update 2: The story has just been clarified by NTV. It appears that reconnaisance personnel from Hizballah noticed Israeli frogmen (i.e. Naval Commandos) on the shores of Saida. They then reported their suspicions to the Lebanese Army. The Army then responded by sealing the area, and searching it thoroughly. The Army then announced that it was all clear and withdrew. They either did not find the frogmen, or the frogmen never landed in the first place.
Update 3: The latest reports (or maybe rumors flowing around in Lebanon) is that Israel will destroy the last major land route leading outside of Lebanon within the next 24 hours. (i.e. they are going to hit the road to syria that goes through Tripoli).
Update 4: Hizbullah attempted to hit another Israeli warplane, but missed and hit an Egyptian ship instead.
"Nobody knows how many rebellions, besides political rebellions, ferment in the masses of life which people earth."
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1 – 200 of 427 Newer› Newest»elaborate on the hitting of the warship off the coast of Lebanon; where did you see that? provide link to news item; many thanks.
Nabil
Link: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/738611.html
reuters reportsed it and Haaretz also reported that the israeli govt confirmed the attack
minimal damage. No injuries
May God protect the people of Lebanon. Hezb is going to drag them into the fire.
well Nasrallah says teh ship is sinking. Israel says minimal damage and no injuries. I am sure that the truth, as usual, is right in between.
"Hezbollah would also strike "beyond Haifa and what is beyond, beyond Haifa," Nasrallah said. He made reference to a new strike on an Israeli naval boat in Lebanese waters. The warship was lightly damaged in the strike, and there were no injuries, the IDF said. "
http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/738611.html
"Where is our President? "
He's sayyed Nasrallah
"Whe Where are our Ministers? Prime Minister?"
They are sayyed Nasrallah
"Members of Parliament? "
They are sayyed Nasrallah
Hezbollah has kidnapped the institutions of our country. Nasrallah is the new dictator. Cheers.
Joe do you think that a WWII rocket can seriously damage a modern warship?
This is not about Lebanon anymore; this is about Nasrallah's pride.
It never was about Lebanon in the first place. Hizbollah attacked Israel to have a reason to sustain its own existence as an armed force. If you want to be an actor and not just a pawn or human waste, there is only one course to take.
The IN probably welcomes the rocket attacks on their ships. Better to have Hezb shoot their (finite number of) rockets at armoured ships than civilian homes.
The owners of this esteemed blog, and most of their cheerleaders here, suffer from-pardon the sexist language-"battered woman syndrome"
bend over and take it in the back, that's your choice, but we don't have to follow suit.
Anon 3:42:
Yes, just as both Israel and Hizballah can damage the truth.
I think that the hit, no matter how insignificant, was completely unexpected by everybody, including the Israeli Navy. You can try your best to minimize it, but deep down in your heart you know that it was a hit, and that is all I am saying.
^ And Baghdad Bob reported that the American army was destroyed on the outskirts of baghdad.
In the absence of leadership, Nasrallah is Lebanon.
joe: i agree that it was unexpected. But i think it's a welcome unexpected for the IN.
keep praying it isnt true apologists
Welcome all....to WWIII...just a matter of time now before Syria gets involved (formally)....then Iran and the US is sure to follow...
May God have mercy on all innocent families invovled.
Anon:
It is quite obvious that you are not interested in being objective. Please stop spinning the news. there are enough people on both sides who are doing that. The Israeli ship GOT HIT...just ACCEPT IT AND MOVE ON, will you! I am not saying that you lost the war. So stop spinning the news and providing this silly analysis how Israel would like for its ships to be hit. Do you honestly really believe that????
if youre chalking up whos winning/losing its good to note that a country of civilans and irregulars has a bit of gusto against a well supplied arms whore. haha i said whore.
one of the lebanese ministers said and i repeat -
Syria give the order
Iran give the equiptment
Israel respond
and
Lebanon pays.
wake up!
befor your nation will caught to another fight as a prisoner!
Is Iran and Syria controls Lebanon?
Eli
where is the evidence, i swear this is the greatest conspiracy theory out there. the israeli lobby and hariri/sfeir people are just feeding you this. does it taste good going down. and dont tell me its a well known fact...its hearsay at best.
"May God protect the people of Lebanon. Hezb is going to drag them into the fire."
cut the god crap and "hezb." israel did this - no one else. but then again - israel has never been able to take responsibility for its own actions - they always have excuses. well, little babies - wake up - grow up - EVERYONE has their reasons.
question to lebanese: is it true that syria occupies lebanon?
if Israel would have fire for no reason at beirut missiles and kidnapped 2 lebanese
what would you do?
ah?
what are you stupid??
israel is responding to the Hezbollah agression, unfortunately people like you can't see the damage caused to you by those people, and blame israel in everything.
Renee,
This is the only reference that I saw:
"U.S. urges its citizens to consider leaving Lebanon when conditions permit (Reuters)"
Nowhere has it been mentioned that an evacuation by Marines is under consideration...
Anon 4:00 - LOL yes hezb is such a fine upstanding charitable orginazation!! (SARCASM!!) And their backers (Syria and Iran) are models of peace too. Gimmie a break. Lebanon is a meaningless pawn in Iran's agenda of world muslim domination. Wake up you moron.
Thank you anon 3:48,
Doha, go to hell, and f*ck your delirious commentary. Your country is being f*cked up by blood-drunk enemy bent on revenge for the humiliation a few years back, and you're acting like the stupid sycophants you've always been, blaming the victims who have suffered for over 50 years off the hands of this land-stealing, spirit-impoverished beasts who have visited more death and destrcution on you over the years than you know to enumirate. And you blame HA, and Syria and Iran and excuse Israeli destruction of your country for what? The sake of two f*cking Israeli soldiers? How many of your brethern, or mabe you do not consider them so (which explains many things) wer kidnapped, incarcerated and tortured in Israeli prisons? If you did not agree with HA's action,
Where's your condemnation of the Israeli unwarranted, wanton, bestial violence? Are you a f*cking Zionist, or just a clueless imbecile?
Go ahead pile up your lunatic rhetoric, "The Iran-Syria Axis has just fully materialized!" What the f*ck does tht mean? You could not find any evidence to rail against these two countries so you just shoot nonsensical crap from your a**, while the US/Israeli axis tears your country to pieces?
F*cking retards...
Khaled, you beat me to it! I just saw that at Haaretz myself, and was coming to post an update for you. Well, I dunno. Two MSM channels over here were saying it, but these days that doesn't necessarily mean anything factual. After all, that's why many of us look to blogs for our news!
So, until I see the info about the Marines at a verifiable website I'm gonna hope that the Americans in Lebanon are still safe. Cause that would mean you are too! (I hope)
HOPING for negotiations to come through for us all.
Khaled,
here's the snippet about the marines from msnbc for what that's worth ;p
Military officials are discussing contingency plans for what appears now to be the inevitable evacuation of U.S. citizens.
One official says that the most likely plan would be to use the assets from the 24th Marine Expeditionary Unit, based out of Camp Lejeune. The 24th MEU is currently in the Red Sea near Jordan, conducting bilateral and unilateral training exercises.
The most likely candidate from the MEU would be the amphibious assault ship USS Iwo Jima. It resembles a small aircraft carrier, complete with helicopters and light attack aircraft.
One official says that the military is working on the assumption that they would have to evacuate nearly 25,000 people.
--Courtney Kube, Pentagon producer
i send you' the lebanese people- from the bootom of my heart-
prayers to your peace.
i hate to see what is happening to your beautiful country - and to the friendly lebanese people.
i wish we could all together send some :
common sensce; human-love' love of the land -
to our leaders.
i, personally believe that the reall change will come from the people -
not from our leaders.
i see it here, with my friends; my patients - we are all sick and tiered from all the violence.
we want peace.
we want to be able to visit your lovely country-
to go skiing together
( INSHA'ALLA).
all my prayers to you,
lebanon.
Ronit N.
haifa,
ISRAEL
It seems to me that the discussion here reflects exactly what Israel wants...a civil war. Please let's not do that again...
@Yuval
I guess he doesn't understand that Israel has as well 3 Lebanese.
It's not that hard to understand isn't it?
Yuval from Israel wrote -
"If Israel would have fire for no reason at beirut missiles and kidnapped 2 lebanese - what would you do? ah? what are you stupid??"
as usual, yuval, you suffer from "IBT" syndrome - that's "israeli-based timeline" syndrome. your country has always justified its actions by citing actions done afterward. it's a pecular sickness, evidently.
the missles were fired toward Israel after israelis striking "hundreds of lebanon targets." so you're left with 2 soldiers abducted? i say - and the WORLD says - SO FUCKING WHAT. get over yourselves.
lol words
Yuval from Israel wrote -
"If Israel would have fire for no reason at beirut missiles and kidnapped 2 lebanese - what would you do? ah? what are you stupid??"
as usual, yuval, you suffer from "IBT" syndrome - that's "israeli-based timeline" syndrome. your country has always justified its actions by citing actions done afterward. it's a pecular sickness, evidently.
the missles were fired toward Israel after israelis striking "hundreds of lebanon targets." so you're left with 2 soldiers abducted? i say - and the WORLD says - SO FUCKING WHAT. get over yourselves.
4:12 PM
the prisoners in the israeli prison were never cremenated so stop saying bulshit!
they're in prison because they are terrorists, or previous war hostages...
if one day Lebanon will have controll over it's land fully, and will make a peace process with israel then those prisoners will be released.
exatly how Jordan and Eghypt got their people back.
and Lebanon is being held hostage by Iran and Syria and you cannot deny it.
in the last year Lebanon finnaly kicked out the Syrian military arms out of it's area, and all knows world wide that Iran is supporting Syria and funding them and arming them.
so stop being delirious and get a reality wake up call!
Hi guys and girls, take the tones down, will you?! we're all suppose to be on the same side here: that which is in favour of peace.
May all of us, both in Lebanon and in Israel, come out of this crisis safe and sound, so we could meet up for a cup of coffee one day...
Israel never fired at Lebanon for no reason!!!
israel had fired at Lebanon only after Hezbollah attacked us from Lebanon's teritory!
so stop lying to yourself and others!
and stop blaming Israel for the lack of independence or destruction that you have done!!
anon 4:12 Why are you attacking Doha for having more sense than anybody else in your bunker? Actually you are probably posting from America since you are so blind not to see the cause and effect. Is sacrificing Lebanon for the sake of Syria and Iran worth it? Not for the real Lebanese, but perhaps it is for you and the dirt eating Palestinians in Lebanon.
hey guys I agree, eventually some solution will become clear and everybody will live side by side peacefully. Hizbollah should disarm but Israel should return some prisoners also.
fundamentalist islam is a cancer that has no borders, no morals, no legitimate leadership...and therefore cannot negotiate.
Fundamentalist islamists smell blood, they think the west is weak and they think that this is the time to strike.
Whether you agree with one side or the other, there is no way that these two belief systems can co-exist.
4 Israelis missing from that warship that was hit. There's goes the Airport terminal.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060714/ap_on_re_mi_ea/mideast_fighting_warship
I think you're the one who needs a "reality wake up call". You're here all day responding to every comment a Lebanese leaves on the "lebanesebloggers" blogspot. And I wish one of your responds would make any sence.
It is sad that the government of Lebanon has not had the strength to rule their own nation. A country can not survive when political factions have their own private armies outside of the control of the government.
But often in history there comes a time when the people have simply had enough and they don't wait for their government to act. I see no problem with a Shiite political party, but it is time they are disarmed and the soldiers returned to their country.
This coordinated action of the Syria/Iran axis is a blunder of historic proportion. I have not heard a single Arab country endorse the action. If the Lebanese people cried for help in disarming the political factions, I suspect the world would come to their aid.
It is so very sad. I hope and pray that the innocent people of Lebanon be spared any injury and they find the strength to do what must be done.
"exactly what Israel wants...a civil war"
Please. Israel wants to left alone in peace, but you monkeys only worship death.
Israel withdrawls from Lebanon, what do they get more war.
Israel withdrawls from Gaza, more war.
When Israel withdrawls from west bank, guess what more war. The only solution you
cave men will accept is the complete destruction of Israel. If god snapped his fingers today
and all the jews in the world vanished, the muslims would still be killing hindus, buddhists, christians,
africans, and other muslims.
If god made muslims vanish, the world would be silent with peace.
think about it.
it just sickens me to see people so alone. it's been said that 1/3rd of the country is shiite and many more sympathize with hezbollah. this blog and its sister blogs seem out of the fray, tangled in both israeli and american statements against hezbollah. the truth is that much of lebanon will support hezbollah without reservation. if anyone can provide some data, that would be sick nasty. and by the way, with the israeli ambassador saying you should be happy that we're going to squash hezbollah...that means they may have to kill some 1.5 million people. i should write him a letter of thanks.
yeah i have in order to make you see reality.
to talk with people on the other side intead of only fighting.
in case you haven't noticed more people knows i'm right and that's you're delirious.
besides you didn't answer my questions.
who fired first??
who didn't obbey to UN resolution 1556, ordering Lebanon to deploy it's army on the southern side, and disarm Hezbollah?
who fired for no reason at israel in the past 6 years after it withdraw?
do you have an answer to that?
nas - "Not for the real Lebanese, but perhaps it is for you and the dirt eating Palestinians in Lebanon."
What makes them "dirt eating"? What makes them less human than you or I?
My aunt married a Palestinian. She's a doctor in Palestine now, trying to help, trying to make a difference, trying NOT TO DIE.
They're not Muslim or Jewish or Orthodox, they're Christian. but they're all people. They're all humans.
But they all bleed the same colour blood. They also die. They also get raped by the Israeli soldiers. They also long for peace and a home where they can be free.
I am Lebanese also, but those arrogant Lebanese... you're as bad as the Israeli's that think they are the supreme race.
yuval - i think the world - most of us - are over the israeli's shit. your country broke 60+ UN resolutions. we saw the damage. "don't believe what you see on TV." israel has admitted its damage to an entire sovereign nation. here in the US, my TV still tells me to be on your side - but - as i said before - that hand has been overplayed.
it matters not what disrespect israel has for the nation of lebanon, or for the palestinians who are living in a perpetual state of war, oppression, violence, and occupation by - who else? israel. the world is done. we are done. your last drip of persecution currency has been expended - and now you're out of gas.
the only israelis i have any empathy for are those who are against its government's actions. otherwise - deaf ears.
Who has 3 Lebanese hostages ?
anon 4:32
You said it right. Its not our job to judge these animals, thats God's job.
Our job is to arrange the meeting.
I wish IDF could value non israeli human life as much as they do israeli. when they discuss lebanon they say "couple of dozen casualties" but if the roles were reversed they would have shouted out massacre. A life is a life is a life. I wish isreal and her allies could realize that. Stop the massacre now!! It's so sad.
"monkeys."
"snakes."
hey - lashing out toward other humans in your hateful tones will not negate the fact that your country aggressed against a sovereign nation yesterday and today. israel, you've had a pathetically tumultuous existence, marked by your aggression and oppression of others. like it or not, this is your legacy. and now, there is no sympathy left.
4:36 PM
same thing about America!!
why don't you join Ben-Ladden, i'm sure you both find common opinions.
1. Are you aware that the Disputed Territories never belonged to the “Palestinians” and only came into Israeli possession as a result of the 1967 six day war in which Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon all massed forces at Israel’s border in order to “push the Jews into the sea”. The Arabs lost and Israel took control of the land. Do you agree that if the Koranimals don’t want to lose territory to Israel, then they shouldn’t start wars? Do you agree that there is justice that Israel, who as far back as 1948 has always sought peace with her far larger neighbors, should live in prosperity - making the desert bloom - while the residents of 19 adjacent Arab countries who are blessed with far more land as well as oil wealth live in their own feces?
2. Did you know that the “Palestinians” could have had their own country as far back as 1948 had they accepted the UN sponsored partition plan which gave Israel AND the Palestinians a countries of their own on land which Jews had lived on for thousands of years before Mohammed ever had a wet dream about virgins? The Arabs rejected the UN offer and went to war with the infant Israeli nation. The Arabs lost and have been whining about it ever since. Do you agree this is like a murderer who kills his parents and asks for special treatment since he is now an orphan?
3. Can you tell us ANY Arab country which offers Jews the right to be citizens, vote, own property, businesses, be a part of the government or have ANY of the rights which Israeli Arabs enjoy? Any Arab country which gives those rights to Christians? How about to other Arabs? Wouldn’t you just LOVE to be a citizen of Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Iran, or Syria?
4. Since as many Jews (approximately 850,000) were kicked out of Arab countries as were Arabs who left present day Israel (despite being literally begged to stay), why should Arabs be permitted to return to Israel if Jews aren’t allowed to set foot in Arab countries? Can you explain why Arabs can worship freely in Israel but Jews would certainly be hung from street lamps after having their intestines devoured by an Arab mob if they so much as entered an Arab country?
5. Israel resettled and absorbed all of the Jews from Arab countries who wished to become Israelis. Why haven’t any Arab countries offered to resettle Arabs who were displaced from Israel, leaving them to rot for 60 years in squalid refugee camps? And why are those refugee camps still there? Could it be that the billions of dollars that the UNWRA has sent there goes to terrorist groups like Hamas, Islamic Jihad, El Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, or Hezbollah? How did Yassir Arafat achieve his $300 million in wealth? Why aren’t these funds distributed for humanitarian use?
6. Did you know that the Arabs in the disputed territories (conquered by Israel in the 1967 war which was started by Arabs) and who are not Israelis already have two countries right now? And that they are called Egypt and Jordan?
7. If your complaint is about the security fence which Israel is finally building in the Disputed Territories, are you aware that it is built solely to keep the “brave” Arab terrorists out so that they can no longer self detonate on busses, in dining halls or pizzerias and kill Jewish grandmothers and schoolchildren? Why are the Arabs so brave when they target unarmed civilians but even when they outnumber their opponents they get their sandy asses kicked all the way to Mecca when they are faced with Jewish soldiers? Why do Arab soldiers make the French look like super heroes?
8. Please explain why you are so concerned about Arabs, who possess 99% of the land in this region and are in control of the world’s greatest natural resource, which literally flows out of the ground? Can’t their brother muslims offer some of the surplus land and nature’s riches to the “Palestinians”? Or is it true that Arabs are willing to die right down to the last “Palestinian”?
9. Why do you not exhibit the same level of concern for say, people in Saudi Arabia who are beheaded, subject to amputation, stoning, honor killing etc.? What about women who are denied any semblance of basic civil rights, including the right not to be treated as property for the entertainment and abuse of her father, brothers, or husbands? What about the Muslims in Sudan and Egypt who are still enslaved, or the women there whose genitalia are barbarically cut off? How about the oppression of Shiites by Sunnis, the gassing of the Kurds by Iraq, or the massacre of “Palestinians” by Jordan (Black September)? Why doesn’t this concern you?
10. Did you ever stop to wonder how much better off everyone in the region would be if Arabs stopped trying to kill Jews and destroy Israel? What would happen if the Israelis gave up their weapons and disarmed? Would they live to see the next day? But what would happen if the Arabs completely disarmed? You know the answer: They would all be AT PEACE! And if there is no war to rile them up, the Arabs would be forced to look at their own repressive, pre-medieval societies. Why would they want to do that when there are Jews to kill?
11. Have you heard “People who define themselves primarily by what they hate, rather than who they love, are doomed to failure and misery”? Can you see the parallels to the Arabs, who are blessed with land and oil, but still gladly train their children to kill themselves in order to kill Jews? Have you heard Golda Meir’s words to the effect of “There will be peace when the Arabs love their children more than they hate ours”? Why do the Arabs hate so much?
Inshaalla!
we are at the same side... otherwise- they (the leaders) win
and we can not let them do it
be safe my brothers in Lebanon
you friend from israel.
lol @ lebanese canadian....listen to yourself....one sentence saying they're all humans, then turn around and stereotype all israelis...what a liberal hypocrite.
P.S. - Doha...thanks for all the updates. Best info on the web.
yuval, i don't want to start a pissing contest, but take a look here:
http://www.action-for-un-renewal.org.uk/pages/isreal_un_resolutions.htm
"israel has admitted its damage to an entire sovereign nation."
It appears that the sovereignty of Lebanon is a matter of debate. If one is to claim sovereignty then one must at the same time claim responsibility.
The government of Lebanon has claimed they are not responsible for the actions taken against a neighboring country across an international border and so this is also an admission of the lack of sovereignty.
Until such time as the government of Lebanon exercises sovereignty within their borders, any claims of sovereignty with regard to international relations have no basis.
send us your women before you kill eachother.
k-thanks
what does the palastinian issue has to do with Lebanon?!?!
and let's say they're defending them.. what about Sudan? North Korea? Iran? China?
are you fighting for them too??
with the same logic as isreal england should have bombed ireland a long time ago!!
Khalass isrealis !! Leave us alone here !! Not satisfied of burning down our houses and all of our vital infrastructures ?? You also want a war with Lebanese via-internet ?? I mean come on that's enough trouble you've caused.
What a coincidence: All is happenning on Lebanese territory: The Website called: LEBANESEbloggers and Lebanon itself. God help us !!
"israel has admitted its damage to an entire sovereign nation."
Why are you a liar?
lebanese canadian@ Real lebanese are a fun and peace loving people. Look how far the state came without the uneducated Syrians.
Tourists came back like it was the 1950s. You could come back too. I know which people in Lebanon ruin the state and over uses its Lebanese generosity and their guest status to ruin everything.
"Lebanese territory"
Ha! That would imply Lebanese actually controlled their country.
Ha! A list of UN Resolutions against "Israel"
http://www.action-for-un-renewal.org.uk/pages/isreal_un_resolutions.htm
to the israel-aggression apologist with the long, long, long post:
israel's total inability to incorporate, find a peace, or otherwise solve the palestinian/israeli issue over more than half a century is your problem, your self-created problem. since the palestinians are your victims and have lived under your oppression, it has been in your court to solve this. you have only aggressed and whined. it's so - old and tired. and that's just from a non-affected person's standpoint. i'm sure "old" isn't the word the palestinians would use. they know their words are useless to bring about change - obviously.
and now - your actions in lebanon have zapped ANY understanding that might have been. you have no skills to exist in the big, wide world. your foreign policy is a motherfucking disaster. your leaders need to meditate and dwell on this word: diplomacy - maybe even from a hague jail cell.
and it had bombed Irland.
the difference is that the Ireland government didn't fully support the IRA!
and israelies are here to say get Hezballa out of our borders! that's all we want.
and because the Lebanese government didn't do it now all Lebanon is suffering. for no reason just because of Hezballah and youre defending them!
don't know what about you but i'm off to continue my regular life and enjoy the local pub.
it's unfortunate that you're nation suffer from Hezballa and you can't do it too.
but if you keep harboring terror groups, then these are the cosequences..
hopefully the reasonable side will win and Hezballah will get out of Lebanon and life will restore to order. good day and Shabat Shalom to all the sain people.
@4:54 PM
well said
terrorism, collateral damage, weapons of mass destruction! What is the US doing about israel?
Truly sad that it has to come to this, sad that the west remains silent in the light of so much suffering on BOTH sides. Here's hoping that same day soon this madness may stop
Best wishes for the welfare of all of Lebanon. Keep updating please. I am reading very nervously.
oh ur leavin us already?! :)
Dipomacy, the diplomacy that the UN used to disarm Hezbollah? The diplomacy that stopped Hitler and the genocide in Rwanda? Lebanon is Israel's problem but now Lebanon is being wiped from the map so it is no longer Israel's problem. It's no longer possible to distinguish between Hezbollah and Lebanon. They are one and the same. Nassralah is the defacto leader of Lebanon.
Oh ya suck the UN schlong when the resolutions are against Israel.
What about those resolutions telling Lebanon to kick out Hez, or Iran to stop enriching
uranium, or syria to demarcate the freaking border. Selective UN support, what a joke.
yuval, your hypocrisy and patronization is really, really nauseating. your country does not have the right to decide what other countries allow or do not allow. simple. your country's aggression against lebanon is an international war crime. what hypocrites.
@ 4:54
complete side step of the issues of the long, long, long post. not well said at all. they brought up some very valid points about the region. address them if you dare. I would love to hear your reasoning.
"and israelies are here to say get Hezballa out of our borders! that's all we want."
what part of "lebanon is not your country" don't you understand????? you don't have the right to dictate what a sovereign nation allows.
To horny anonymous who wants our women,
dude, they are the one good thing that we have, you think we are gonna give them up :).
From a former Israeli soldier.
mmi_gov_il@hotmail.com
Hizballa is playing with fire. Israel is overreacting because we have new goverment that wants to take hard measures and show lebanon that it will not take hizballa resposible and punish whole lebanon civilians for hizballa's dangeras games.
Hizballa is sponsored by iran, and because she lives by the sword the war is good for her and give her justification to exist.
when we have peace (inshalla soon...), hizballa will be only an extremic muslim political movement supported by syria and Iran and will not have the money and power! she will gain power only in war! War and blood and bombings lebanon is hizballa interest to exist.
just think if this is Lebanon interests or not.
this war is asolutly not israel choice, we have left lebanon and we have nothing to there. we have enough problems with the palestinians in Gaza (which we also left to leave there life with no israelis inside...)
but still the extremists Hamas kidnaped soldier and firing daily rockets into israel.
israel has very strong army backed up by USA so the damage on your side is much much bigger than the damage on our side.
again israel left lebanon and left gaza. PM ulmert said that israel will withraw the rest of the west bank.
hamas and hizballa are sposnored by iran and syria which have different agenda and iunterests than the lebanees and palestinians.
Egipt and Jordan have peace agreament with israel and this countries are blooming.
lebanon with bloom and restore her old glory only when she sign a peace agreament with israel.
get rid of the extreaminsts that need war to exist.....
anon 4:12
Couldn't have said it better myself. Sadly, most people here are clueless to the "behind the scenes" reality.
Okay, if Lebanon is truly a sovereign nation they are responsible for those attacks on Israel.
Prepare to burn.
Thank you Doha. You nailed it. Hearing Nasrallah on CNN made me ill, now he's the voice of Lebanon. God, our leaders absence makes us look like a bunch of ass-wipes. Where are our leaders moderate voices. Still after all this, they are afraid to speak out against Hiz. We are is bad as the Palestinians backing Hamas.
"you don't have the right to dictate what a sovereign nation allows."
Yep and that sovereign nation allowed a cross border attack on another nation.
That sovereign nation, in her apathy, started a war.
israel's assertion that it has to oppress others so it can remain is, in itself, argument against israel's ability to function as a sovereign country, and for the world community to broker and enforce a solution, including sanctions for noncompliance on israel's part.
the whining-while-murdering will stop.
ground force will not last long
Ya well arabs would know alot about whining-while-murdering....
abducting 2 soldiers is not an "attack." it's petty bullshit. israel's inability to deal with that circumstance effectively is argument enough that it cannot manage its foreign policy effectively. it is a danger to itself; to neighboring countries, and to the stability of the world.
and obviously, it sees itself as a superior race, untouchable as it aggresses at will. bullshit. the gig's up.
"Yep and that sovereign nation allowed a cross border attack on another nation."
Hizbollah did not cross a sovereign nation, they crossed occupied land 'shebaa farms' whether it belongs to Lebanon or Syria.
Key word OCCUPIED
"abducting 2 soldiers is not an "attack." it's petty bullshit"
No it was an attack. Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers in a cross-border raid Wednesday Three Israeli soldiers also were killed in the raid.
A country exists to protect its citizens. Many times more lebanese will die to punish Lebanon for attacking Israeli citizens.
It more than abducting just 2 soldiers my fellow Leb. Open your mind please! Hizbullah has been antagonizing this for a long while. As well, they have been a huge problem for the rest of us peaceful loving Lebanese.
The Blue Line is a border demarcation between Lebanon and Israel, drawn by the United Nations for the purposes of determining whether Israel had withdrawn from Lebanon.
Once again, selective UN support.
Lebanon will suffer for its claims to Shebaa farms which are actually Syrian. Such claims empower HB and the Israeli backlash will hurt.
Does Lebabon belong to the Lebanese? Rise up. Expel the terrorists. Take your country and excercise self-determination.
Otherwise you are meerly someone else's cannon fodder.
Hezbollah is Lebanon, the two can't be separated. Hezbollah is part of the lebanese government. Look at the celebrations across Lebanon when the first attack on the Israeli soldiers happen. Sweets and candy like it's a party game. It's not so fun for Lebanon anymore as the bodies pile up and get cremated in Israeli bomb craters.
i can't believe that any "peace-loving lebanese" understands israel's actions. they are, after all, beyond rationality. also the world doesn't, and with good reason.
israel is responsible for israel's actions. they always blame others while they have their fingers on the constant trigger. it's such a convenient reality for a psychopathic society. as i keep saying - the world - is done with them.
the purpose of this is to free thousands if not more, lebanese in israeli jails.
They traded three DEAD israeli bodies for around 400 Lebanese prisoners last time.
Imagine if you were in an israeli jail for mre than 20 years for nothing, just waiting. It sucks.
Israel over reacted the situation, not only destroying what Hariri built but created a huge crises in Middle East.
We can't. Hizbullah's army is stronger than ours. Also, The army is made up of some Shia, they could very well turn to the other side. Additionally, Syria will do everything it can to undermine our ability to rid ourselves of them, essentially, they will turn it into another Iraq blowing up Cafe's and shopping areas before they allow us our own sovereignty.
omg can't believe what i am reading...anon 5:11 what if one of those soldiers was your brother??...i think you might feel differently about it not being an attack. and isreal is the world's threat to peace?? wake the fck up!!! Iran, Syria, North Korea, Hamas, Hezbollah...now these are real threats. they have no regard for human life only their whacked out agendas. lay off the meds!!!
"as i keep saying - the world - is done with them."
They seem to be doing ok without the "world" then.
Israel isn't over reacting. When they are through there will not be anything recognizable left of Lebanon. No more attacks will come from Lebanon, nothing will grow. The land should be salted.
Yes the world is done with israel, that why the rest of the world has already sent
ground troops to protect you. Oh that's right, they only talk. I think the world is
done with Islamic terrorism. The worlds patience is running thin on Islams violent,
we can't get along with anyone attitude.
"We can't. Hizbullah's army is stronger than ours."
Mice or men? You have to choose.
blah blah this... blah blah that... Israel this.. Lebanon that.. what is wrong with you all? people are dying. homes are being destroyed. this is a perfect place for both sides to talk to each other in peace.
The virulent reaction from some of you against Israel is completely understandable and I don't think any of us sitting in our living rooms in Western Europe are in a position to lecture.
What interests me is how many of you thought this way several days ago and how many of you are from the usual "Zionist entity" crowd.
I suspect quite a few of you fall in the first category (judging for example from blogger perpetual refugee's posts on some blogs). From Hizbollah's point of view it's probably mission accomplished.
The Israelis reacted exactly as Hizbollah hoped they would, the temperature has been raised sufficiently and noone remembers what happened to spark the whole thing off. Events, and people's perceptions have moved on.
Sadly Hizbollah will be the only winner here. Their capability to endure casualties and sacrifices (yours too, whether you want to endure them or not) is far greater than that of the Israelis. And if your economy is wrecked at the end of it. Well, it was all for a greater good wasn't it? Wasn't it?
very well said anon 5:27
anon 5:26, i guess you never been in lebanon during the civil war......this is nothing, shut up and leave
the choice is clear. remove the terrorists from your country or live as best you can at their disposal.
If you want the terrorists out of Lebanon your government should be helping to direct Israeli fire to reach the correct target.
to all lebanese - caution against disinformation, propaganda and psyops. for what it's worth, no rational person or entity could ever expect lebanese to make war against itself, at a time when it's being attacked from the outside by another country - i.e., "aggress against hisbollah!" and other statements toward that end. that is israeli wishful thinking.
no - israeli aggression - the heinous, world-defying, israeli aggression against the nation of lebanon - stands alone.
funny how casually some bloggers on her ask lebanese to fight against terrorists and turn against hizbullah. show how little they know about the situation and how brainwashed they are by blockbuster movies!
Our Thoughts and prayers are with you lebanon! God bless!
israeli aggression will not stand alone. she has very powerful allies waiting in the wings, hoping that idiotic iran and syria get involved publicly. i sympathize with the peaceful people of lebanon as they did not ask for any of this. too bad syria did have the balls to attack israel in the first place. as they would now be the largest arab parking lot known to man.
Hizballah kidnapping did not occur on Sheba farms. Check it once and forever. They started to shell towns first, and then attacked the border patrol. It is a casus belli, so we have war. And I do not understand why Israel should take care of Lebanese civilians if Lebanon does not take care of Israeli ones? The only reason of these higher expectations could be that Israelis are inherently better, smarter, braver etc. than Lebanese. That is what you are saying?
How commented to israeli bloggers when Hezballah shelled Israel, kidnapped soldiers last time etc.? Those who didnot have no right to complain now, IMHO.
Sorry - made a mistake on the comment. Sentence three should read "didn't think", not "thought." Quite a crucial difference!
The virulent reaction from some of you against Israel is completely understandable and I don't think any of us sitting in our living rooms in Western Europe are in a position to lecture.
What interests me is how many of you didn't think this way several days ago and how many of you are from the usual "Zionist entity" crowd.
I suspect quite a few of you fall in the first category (judging for example from blogger perpetual refugee's posts on some blogs). From Hizbollah's point of view it's probably mission accomplished.
The Israelis reacted exactly as Hizbollah hoped they would, the temperature has been raised sufficiently and noone remembers what happened to spark the whole thing off. Events, and people's perceptions have moved on.
Sadly Hizbollah will be the only winner here. Their capability to endure casualties and sacrifices (yours too, whether you want to endure them or not) is far greater than that of the Israelis. And if your economy is wrecked at the end of it. Well, it was all for a greater good wasn't it? Wasn't it?
GUYS IN LEBANON,
YOU CAN BE SURE THAT OUR ARMY IS NOT GOING TO HURT ANY INNOCENT PEOPLE.WE ARE GOING TO BREAK HIZBULLA AND HELP YOU HAVE A FREE LEBANON.THIS IS OUR INTEREST AS IT IS YOURS.I HOPE SOME DAY YOU WILL VISIT US IN TEL AVIV.
again - israeli's aggression against the sovereign nation of lebanon stands alone. this fact cannot get lost. its inability to act in a sane way, which is the responsibility of sovereign nations, marks the need for outside (not american, for god's sake) intervention.
i love these lebanon-loving israelis! with friends like you - really. save it for someone too ignorant to know who's blowing up their own country, ok?
The Christian, Sunni, Druze sects have been worried about this day for some time now. We knew it was just a matter of time before Nasrallah would shit the bed and now he has. It's very sad.
Turning to a solution. I've seen a variation of this posted before, but how about a) the Lebanese Army commits to maintain it's own border (which is not the same as saying Hizbollah disarms - I appreciate that's easier said than done) b) Israel commits to respect Lebanese sovereignty c) the Israeli soldiers are released d) Lebanese prisoners are released in Israel. Everyone is seen to have won something - Hizbollah is seen to have brought about the release of Lebanese prisoners, Israel is seen to have security on its northern border and two soldiers back, the Lebanese Govt is strengthened and regains effective control on the border.
Unfortunately that equation all adds up to stability. Do you think that's what Hizbollah wants? Groups like this are great at playing the long game. And the long game is to destabilise Israel and re-write some of the basic rules in the region. No matter what the fall-out is.
what non-american intervention do you mean anon 5:45?? do really think that the US will stand idle while some arab nation "tries" to surpress israel? you really are dumb.
Arabs, Christians, Druze, Muslims, Israeli's, Arab jews etc..... we have a lot of different people living in a small region but we will get nowhere near living peacefully together until we stop assuming that if you fall into one "group" you hate the rest.
There are many Muslims that don't support Hezbollah.
There are many Israeli's who don't hate Lebanese.
There are many Lebanese who don't hate Jews.
dirkthecow
This was tried six years ago. Thats is why Israel withdrew.
You see the results...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060714/pl_afp/mideastisraelus_060714213638;_ylt=ArkOB82PkExrzFxPE6Qn8mEUvioA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl here is a link about israel asking the pentagon to buy $210 million worth of jet fuel. The US will un-doubtedly sell it to them. I wonder if this will be enough to get Syria and Iran involved in the conflict. WWIII is fast approaching.
What about samir quntar for god sake he personally killed a young girl by bashing her head in with a stone
i watched the "suppression" of israel as they debilitated the nation of lebanon. suppression my ass.
i am an american. we have an administration that doesn't listen to its people - but the majority of we, the people, do not agree with israel's actions - today or any day.
I salute you, I salute the men and women of Lebanon who resist Hizbollah, Unfortunately, your government, the Lebanese government is not strong enough, or not willing enough to stop the Hizbollah, I am an Israeli, and I despise terrorist and milita organizations, but although I hate the latests acts of war between both sides I have to support my countries acts in Lebanon, I pray for the Lebanese people, the innocent people who want just to live in peace, but I also wish that all people who support hizbollah will be harmed, for 6 years my countries had restrain itself again Hizbollah, but now, after the latest attack by the Hizbollah and the hundreds of rockets that our cities sustain, we must disable the Hizbollah,
Lebanese citizen, if you care for your country, do whatever you can and stand up for yourselves! dont let syria and iran control your country! syria and iran only benefits from the escalation, just do your best to control your own country! I want it, Israel wants it, and you know you want it.
I hope that peace will arrive as soon as possible.
-Israel, from northen Israel
oh i see....you have polled every america? lol
northern israel - your comment reminds me of the US military psyops cards dropped inside iraq on the eve of war... "we are your friends! if you want peace, join your families. do not fight!"
bullshit sounds like bullshit, though - thankfully.
shmuluk are you seriously comparing pearl harbor to the kidnapping of 2 soldiers?
as for comment on militia doing the dirty work. well you already have one. It's called the IDF.
It's funny that a lot of Israelis come here nad preach about loving Lebanese people. Cut the bullshit and spare us your hypocritical, one-sided propaganda.
"I want to have a cup of coffee with you!!!!"
Give me a fucking break.
"as for comment on militia doing the dirty work. well you already have one. It's called the IDF. "
Luckily for them, they have their member buried so deep into the US's orifice that the entire world sits idle, with fear of being labeled as a terrorist by the almighty US.
I imagine that this is what the conversation would be like had the net been around on the eve of World War II... Islamofascism must be defeated. If the people of Lebanon choose to cast their fate with Hezbollah, they'll die with Hezbollah.
"well you already have one. It's called the IDF."
The difference is that no Israeli disputes that the nation of Israel is not 100% responsible for the actions of the IDF.
How sick the world is of hearing "it's not our fault! We cannot control these people launching rockets at you from our territory! "
"What do you mean 'but they are in our government too' ?"
Did Israel retreat from Lebanon 6 years ago? Yes
Did Israel attacked Lebanon soil before Hizbollah attacked and killed 8 Israeli soldiers and kidnapped 2 other soldiers? NO
Israel only retaliates, believe me, Israel is sick of war, We want peace, with you, with the palestinians, and with all arab countries.
But when Iran wants to destroy Israel, and syria supports them with the hizbollah, we cant stand aside and do nothing, when my fellow citizens get hurt, and fellow soldiers are getting killed then you can understand the Israeli attacks.
Also notice that most arab countries condemn the hizbollah actions and not ours.
Just something you have to think about
correction:
"The difference is that no Israeli disputes that the nation of Israel IS 100% responsible for the actions of the IDF"
maybe if arafat had watched where he put his member, he would not have died of HIV
"maybe if arafat had watched where he put his member, he would not have died of HIV "
Very clever rebuke! Too bad it has nothing to do with the discussion.
If you hate Israel so much, pick up a gun. The front line is just south of you. Better hurry before it is north of you.
Yes but it did have everything to do with "members"
"Also notice that most arab countries condemn the hizbollah actions and not ours."
these arab leaders representing arab countries are as far from their people as hizballah leaders are from the lebanese! Please!
Please let me start by saying that I already visited Lebanon. For almost two years, I was a soldier situated there. In order to protect Israely citizens, from rogue element of your society. I vowed to myself that I would return one day, when there's peace, to have a picnic at all the beautiful places I've seen. I do believe the peace will arrive, eventually.
But to the point.
There is an american satire movie, called 'Team America'. It critisizes America hard-headedness and brutality while trying to solve global problems, with the good intentions they have, while critisizing the other side as well, who'd rather do nothing in the face of global danger. And it also have a lot of quite amusing songs. Now, the fact that a song is amusing, doesn't make it wrong, or stupid. The one song I find relevant to this situation is "Freedom isn't Free". From the lyrics -
Freedom isn't free
It costs folks like you and me
And if we don't all chip in
We'll never pay that bill
Freedom isn't free
No, there's a hefty f*ckin' fee.
And if you don't throw in your buck 'o five
Who will?
(Full lyrics - http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/teamamericaworldpolice/freedomisntfree.htm )
The Hizballa is a problem To Israel, mainly, but also to Lebanon. At the very least, you should be considering them a criminal element. Yet, what was done on your side to stop them?
Reading on the blog, I see again and again - "We can't do a thing". Well, who do you expect to do the work for you? And that is what Israel is trying to do now, in part. I don't think anyone really believe here that the IDF can erase all Hizballa from Lebanon. But we expect to pressure you enough to do that. To fight for your freedom. Freedom isn't free, after all.
Please, do something about them. Ask help from your friends, if you need to. But please, do something. I don't enjoy seeing your people suffer. But then again, I do not enjoy seeing suffering on our side.
Assaf, Haifa, Israel.
"The difference is that no Israeli disputes that the nation of Israel IS 100% responsible for the actions of the IDF"
that must include the protesters in israel protesting against this act of terrorism
"northern israel - your comment reminds me of the US military psyops cards dropped inside iraq on the eve of war... "we are your friends! if you want peace, join your families. do not fight!"
bullshit sounds like bullshit, though - thankfully"
Of course living under Saddam was better!! The guy that killed more Iraquis then anyone.
But since he was an Arab Muslim he has a green card from the "Arab street" to do what it wants to other Arabs.
If there wasnt for thugs of mukhabarat, saddamist and wahhbis already USA wasnt there.
This post is a question for the Lebanese,
Why do you think we hate you?
You, as citizens, did nothing wrong to us,
the hizbollah did.
We HATE the hizbollah, we hate who attacks us.
We dont hate, and want to live in peace with people like us,
look at us and Joran or Egypt,
we had very very hostile war, but now, there is peace, thousand of Israelis tour at Sinai, and many more travel at Jordan.
We are a peaceful country!
And before the second INTIFADA, the انتفاضة, Israelis bought at the Palestinian markets, and gambled at the Jerico casino..
We DONT LIKE WAR
Israel, Northen Israel
schmulik you're right, it is like pearl harbor but this time the target was beirut. not israel. The comparison is about right excluding the civilians killed that is.(sarcasm in case you missed it too)
only if god was a woman...
Assaf, haifa
'Visited' Lebanon?
Small word, but speaks volumes, volumes. Do you also want to come and ski in our land?
Well, three words for you:
Never, never and never, will you again 'visit' lebanon
I am sick of some people proclaiming here the beginning of the WW3. Look folks, Israelis killing mucho arabs, even if Iran well be involved, is not a WW3. Middle east is not the whole world. Now arabs you have oil so great powers have to listen to your constant whining and those 'pride' issues. But when the oil runs out you will have nothing left to support your claims for importance. You would be the same hopeless and AIDS infested piece of land as are Sudan and Somalia currently.
Cartoon crisis showed decisively the whole extent of corruption and rottedness of your worldview and religious narrowmindedness.
i'm not defending hb's actions only pointing out the extreme, unproportional reaction of israel
Northern Israel in flames, LMAO... PLease who is feeding you this propaganda.
Northern Israel in Flames, hardly!
israel is NOT fighting against the lebanese people
and has no intentions to harm them.
if lebanese people wants peacefull life they should
exspress their active revolt against the presence of
a terror organization like Hezbullah on their ground.
you can't pretend "i don't see, i don't hear, i don't know,
i don't care" when there's a poisonous snake in your
own backyard.
Hezbullah is an extension of Iran and holds the same
fundamentalist views. the lebanese authorities should
act to terminate this threat if they want to maintain a
modern peacefull society with advanced norms.
i do belive that a lebanon with no Hezbullah can upgrade
this country into a much more attractive place for foreign
investors and turists.
love and peace to all lebanese bloggers out there.
efi cohen, tel-aviv, israel
israel claims - "lebanon, we love you!" while bombing beirut's airport, a television station, debilitating its ports, bombing several southern targets, an electricity production facility. rumours of water contamination.
israel - you are the super-hypocrites of the planet. your actions - no others - yours alone - have caused me, and many others, to rethink whatever support we ever had toward you. i have never had an anti-semitic bone in my body, but i say this now - i am strongly anti-this. you don't get to fly your persecution flag and kill people at the same time. you have overplayed your hand.
They Are destroying our Airport, Bridges, Roads, Highways, Electricity they are blocking our way out to safe place. Israel is targeting all lebanese not just hizbollah
The golan heights were a place where Syrian forces attacked Tiberius in 67... thats why it was conquered,
the west bank, east jerusalem, Jordanian snipers attacked innocent citizens and blockade Jerusalem,
and now Lebanon -- LEBANON IS KILLING AND KIDNAPPING ISRAELI SOLDIERS, so it was hizbollah and not the lebanese government, so what, it came from lebanese territory.
"The West Bank, east Jerusalem, the valleys to the east of Jerusalem, Gaza, the Golan Heights, the Shebaa farms area and now Lebanon."
Oh come on soreofhing. Lebanon? The Israelis haven't been in Lebanon for six years. Careless of human life? Yes.
And that's something Hizbollah and the Israelis share in common btw - the rest of you are kind of just in the way.
But wanting to take over Lebanon or "blood thirsty"? Hardly.
Finally, it's a bit off topic, but the Sheba Farms? Yes, it's occupied territory, but as I understand it there's some dispute whether it's Syrian or Lebanese.
"They Are destroying our Airport, Bridges, Roads, Highways, Electricity they are blocking our way out to safe place. Israel is targeting all lebanese not just hizbollah"
exactly. offers of future cups of coffee by israelis? mind-boggling.
Israel cant go and ask every lebanese if he is a Hizbollah activity or not..
I will say this again, Israel is agains Hizbollah, not against the lebanese people.
>>>Where is our President? Where are our Ministers? Prime Minister? Members of Parliament?
Did I not say you are a nation of shopkeepers and merchants held hostage by a mafia? As long as Hesbollah survives, you will not have a real country. Israel is doing you a huge favor. You should thank them.
Wake up. Hezbollah IS Lebanon just as Hamas IS palestine and al qaeda IS Islam.
a nation of shopkeepers and merchants? keep your racists slurs for yourself please.
as for the other anoymous (anonymity seems to liberate many people of thinking) al kaida == islam= you are not right in your mind dear anon.
Actually the Islam is a very, very peaceful religion, the fundementals are using it to their own good just like europe did in the crusades...
Too bad the world is too narrow minded, .. Islamics has to be terrorists, Jews has to be greedy etc etc etc...
The people of iran and syria should rise up and overthrow their governments or the regime change will occur from the outside by a devastating regional war.
according to http://www.bloggingbeirut.com/
the lebanese army has just fended off an israeli troop landing on the coast of saida (sidon) 30kms south of beirut.
the lebanese army is currently fighting an israeli amphibious assault on the shores of saida (30kms south of beirut
he saida landing by israeli amphibious troops has been confirmed as a failure
Can some one confirm this?? and the the ISraeli Gunship is missing 4 Israeli Soldiers and their Ship is heavily damaged!
Islam has never been peaceful. The crusades was a Christian response to the Islamic invasion of Europe and the Holy Land. The Muslims were trying to invade France from Spain. They also stole the Holy Land from the Christians. Even Egypt and Iran were not always Muslim. Muslims are so ignorant of their own culture. The beautiful, advanced Persian culture was wiped out and replaced with this pseudo-Persian Islamic Iran.
Today Muslims are still waging their doomed jihad, against Russian, in the Phillipines, Israel, Lebanon, Indonesia, India the list goes on and on. Such a violent people. People are getting sick of Muslim terrorism. Countries like Israel and India are no longer feeling alone in their battle against muslim violence.
I am not a racist. But just because you have nice tourism and a great nightlife in Beirut doesn't give you the right to call yourself a country if your own government cannot exercise authority within it's own borders. That is not a country. That is Somalia, a lawless land. That is why Israel had to act, because you preferred to ignore the problem. Now look at you.
"They also stole the Holy Land from the Christians."
he who steals from a thief is exempt from punishment?
the holy land was given by god to the jews.
"Islam has never been peaceful"
have you read the koran? I guess not... the koran forbids murder. too bad the fundementals dont do what is written in the koran, they just say they do.
Reading this blog has made me see, that for the most part, all everyone (besides terrorist hezbollah) wants is peace. Our region is sick of war, sick of having to watch our backs every time we go out, sick of watching those who speak out get axed. I wish there was an easier way than this to remove the elements of terror from my country, Lebanon. I know our government is too weak and if the ministers were to rise up against Hezbollah / demand the implementation of res 1559, our country will be in a civil war and we just can't take that chance. I wish Israel would also direct its attacks against the SPONSORS of hezbollah because this snake--no matter if it is beheaded now--will grow a new and stronger head with the help of Syria and Iran.
And to the Lebanese who are wary of what the Israelis are saying (that they don't hate all Lebanese just Hezbollah), is it really so hard to believe ? We lebanese have no reason to hate them either...their response is dirty, violent, much too aggressive, but if it will rid us of the poison in the south then I'm happy for it.
-lebanese student
dont forget the multitude of African empires that were destroyed by Islam.
One more thing to add...
it's something that so many bloggers and so many people have said but I'll echo it. In what kind of twisted, undemocratic, weak state can it be "okay" for one group (terrorists in this matter) to decide the fate of an entire country and its populace ? It sickens me. No one asked to be dragged into all out war, as nasrallah recently called it. No one wants to battle...we are tired and broken and all we want is to live life without fear. There are so many prisoners in Syrian jails, by are we going and kidnapping them ? No...because that is not how intelligent, democratically minded people think. I'm so disgusted right now. And more than anything, I'm so so so amazed at how southerners can see the ruined bridges and broken roads and dead bodies and still dare to shout their allegiance to the monster.
-lebanese student
lebanese student,
It's a good comment. Israel doesn't not hate the Lebanese people. But there is no such thing as a bloodless war. All wars cost lives. Innocents will get killed if they are in the wrong place at the wrong time. That's why Israel dropped leaflets -- so people would flee! But Israel does not try to kill innocents. Also, consider that a civil war with Hisbollah would have cost Lebanon FAR MORE innocent life and lasted perhaps YEARS. This invasion is a blessing in disguise to you. You should thank Israel for doing your dirty work for you.
Well I prefer neither, but a civil war would be the worst option for us. Who will come to diffuse the situation ? No one did before, no one will now. At least if Israel does what its doing (attacks that at least on the outside seem to hurt hezbollah) the eyes of the international community will be on what's going on.
-Lebanese student
to the anonymous that responded to me,
I will not thank israel, but as I said in my last post, a civil war will be the worst possible option for us. I am fine with diffusing Hezbollah, I am fine with what's going on. It's unfortunate that this decision (to kidnap the soldiers) was made without the agreement of 99.99% of the Lebanese public. It couldn't have come at a worst time. But this is war and more than anything, I want Hezbollah out.
What I don't want...is for the war to have inconsequential results for hezbollah. Because we will end up rebuilding, having lost all of our tourists, the economy down, infrastructure ruined...all while the TERRORISTS still exist.
-Lebanese student
Maybe he has a point, this way Hizbollah gets hit, Israel gets it, some civilians gets hit... but he is safe.. If I were him I would have done the same, as long as I didn't want FREEDOM....
you cant rely on someone else to do your dirty work...
israel from norther israel, i've lived my entire life without the taste of freedom. I was born into war, grew up under syrian occupation, and now we are shackled by Hezbullah. You are not Lebanese--you don't know what will happen if the government so much as utters a condemnation of hezbullah...and our own president is the worse of them all, saying "we are all moukawama." Our civil society, our opposition, is not strong enough to do anything about it. We have become politically retarded by years and years of conflict and militia-minded mentality.
I want freedom, like anyone else. Freedom from the poison of Hezbullah, freedom from regional influences, etc.
Nassar, curse you, and all your likes.
I can write so much about your wrong idiology, but I am sure that every one can see how wrong you are.
Again, just look, Israel wants peace, Syria wants the destruction of Israel,
Although Israel can wipe Syria out of the map, just like we did in 67, just like we repelled their attacks at 73.
"Israel is targeting all lebanese not just hizbollah"
That is because as a part of the Lebanese Government, Hizbollah's actions are regarded as the actions of Lebanon. If you do not want such a response, disarm Hizbollah or kick them out of the government.
Let me put it another way: A faction of the Lebanese government crossed an international border, attacked a killed the soldiers of a neighboring country, and kidnapped two of them. What would you expect a country to do in response to an attack like that?
Hizbollah is a party to the government of Lebanon so their actions speak for Lebanon.
you have to look at comments like "israel is doing you a favor, lebanon" as the propaganda bullshit it is.
in the same breath, it calls itself a victim of your "state-sponsored terrorism." in the same breath, it terrorizes your borders. in the same breath, it bombs your country - invades it by air, land, and sea.
israel - you are no better than the people you call "terrorists." actually, you are much, much worse.
someone from israel - let me get this right. israel debilitated an entire nation's transportation system - because you thought hezbollah would take 2 soldiers to iran????? this is such an outrageous and pathetic smokescreen. is this the now-prevailing story, or have you thought up something better to bullshit us with?
http://tooawayfromhome.blogspot.com/2006/05/al-said-hassan-nassrallah.html
check out this love letter to Hassan nassrallah from a girl in Saudi Arabia called Amal.
There are only three (3) Lebanese being held in Israeli prisons. One is Samir Kuntar who perpetrated a terrorist attack in 1979 where he murdered several family members on the beach in Northern Israel. He was tried in Israli courts and sentenced to over 500 years in prison (they have no death penalty).
I don't know the names of the other two Lebanese being held.
All the other Lebanese prisoners were released in the Israel/Hezbolla prisoner exchange a couple years ago. Nasralla demanded that all of them be released, of course, but Israel refused to release Kuntar and these other two. After that release there were supposed to be further negotiations in which Israel would release the remaining prisoners and Hezbolla would provide information regarding Ron Arad. Those negotiations apparently broke down and apparently Hezbolla decided they have no other way to pressure Israel but to hold Israelis prisoner and make a swap.
To those of you asking if two soldiers are worth this war I ask: Is the release of Kuntar worth the destruction of South Lebanon?
nassar-syria,
you and those who share your mentality are those who have made our country unliveable. we have a rich history that's been debased to bomb shelters and fear. I hope you will still maintain the words you say when you too face israeli bombs.
-lebanese student
Dear anonymous, I am truly sorry that you never tasted the taste of freedom, but you can start a revolution, every great nation once was a scattered nation, full of enemies from the inside and the outside..
It doesn't matter if its 2 soldiers or 2 million. A life, freedom is more worth than a damn highway. Free the prisoners, extend Lebanese sovereignty to the border so there can be peace and Lebanese prisoners can go home too.
"someone from israel - let me get this right. israel debilitated an entire nation's transportation system - because you thought hezbollah would take 2 soldiers to iran????? this is such an outrageous and pathetic smokescreen. is this the now-prevailing story, or have you thought up something better to bullshit us with?"
Yes, when Israeli soldiers are being kidnapped, Israel will do EVERYTHING to get them back as soon as possible, remmember Ron Arad, he was kidnapped by the Hizbollah, but disappeared, Israel cannot afford itself a second and third Ron Arad cases.
When Arab terrorist, "freedom fighter" as you call it attacks Israel and captured, does the Hizbollah does anything to free him,
no.
the arab terror leaders care nothing about their activists' lives,thats why they send them to suicide, and give a shit about them.
anonymous "you don't know what will happen if the government so much as utters a condemnation of hezbullah"
Who will take more caution when disarming HB, Israel or the Lebanese people? But as the Lebanese government said, it's not the Lebanese army's job to protect Israel from Hezbollah attacks coming from Lebanon.
If it were up to the Lebanese people, no soldiers would have been kidnapped in the first place. Do you think we are stupid to make such a move ? But Syria, Iran, and their proxies made the decision for us and we are stuck with the consequences. Instead of being disbanded and disarmed ten years ago, Hezbullah was allowed to "make a name for itself" and to gain a hold in our government while Syria was in control.
And I don't even want the Lebanese prisoners in the Israeli jails to come home...do you think we need more terrorists in our country ?
oops, last post was from me, lebanese student
and who will take more caution when disarming hezbullah ? That's not even a question...Israel can do it with force, and Lebanon can't do it at all.
-lebanese student
you didn't answer.
WHY did israel assume anything about TRANSPORT of two soldiers to iran or syria? that makes NO SENSE.
and THIS IS WHY israel has debillitated an entire country's transportation system?
this is a huge cognitive dissonance you're going to have to explain, please.
I have nothing to say about that,
that maybe true, but just like Lebanese people had formed up a big demonstration against syria, they can again hizbollah...
>>>But Syria, Iran, and their proxies made the decision for us and we are stuck with the consequences.
This is well known to everbody, especially the Israelis. Thus when Hisbollah is destroyed, Syria and Iran will lose the capacity to exert their will on Lebanon. Israel cannot destroy Syria or Iran, but it can destroy their puppet.
The people decide who the government is. When Syria pulled out, and you decided to keep HezbAssad running (or ruining) your country, you sealed your own fate. To be honest, I hope Israel leaves Lebanon in the stone ages. Because your country pretended to act civil while harboring murderers and terrorists. You can't be civlized and do that. So, when all is said and done, Lebanon will be rebuilt in to some that's more than just a façade for terrorism.
As for Islam being a peaceful religion, every single country that Islam was brought to, that is every country in which the majority of people are muslims, are in that situation because muslims declared war, and force converted the populations by the sword.
Israel can destroy Syria or Iran.. Israel has superior technology in every aspect...
Better air force, better artillery, better armor.
hi,
this is a beautiful site.
I feel sorry for the people suffering in Lebanon. I wish I could do something to reduce their suffering.
yesterday I was on a Buddhist retreat in Carmiel area.
We were praying for the peace to be settled in the north border,
when Katiusha missiles landed near, in Magdel-krom (a Muslim village that some of his inhabitants were hurt by those missiles).
we have to send everybody home and the retreat was, of course, stopped.
"WHY did israel assume anything about TRANSPORT of two soldiers to iran or syria? that makes NO SENSE"
Because that's what happen to Ron Arad to the best of anyone's knowledge.
Lebanese student@ Lebanon could ask the UN or NATO for assistance, it could renounce Syria and Hizbollah's assertion that Shaaba farms belongs to Lebanon (and not Syria)... there are plenty of options. It's wrong to force Israel to kill Lebanese civilians.
Anyway, its been enlightning...
I'm going to bed, if anyone wants heres my email,
israel.g.88@gmail.com (this is not my primary email, just a backup one for these purposes, so dont bother to hack it..)
I'd respect if you wont start abuse my mailbox and keep the hate mail out.
I'd like just sheer conversation.
good night
**from an Israeli in the US**
between watching CNN, reading maariv online and listening to the israeli radio online... i like your site the best. Thank you Doha
oh israel from northern israel,
i only wish it can be so easy. Throw up a couple lebanese flags, make chants, etc...
but remember that when we demonstrated against Syria, we were demonstrating against another state...there are many in lebanon unwilling to speak out against their own people, against their own religion.
it's too complicated for us. give it 10 years...all the ordinary lebanese like us will be gone. and unfortunately, your neighbors to the north will be the same people who have made your lives awful and deprived you of living decently, the same way we've been deprived.
-lebanese student
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