Thursday, July 27, 2006

A message to all Lebanese fans of Italian soccer

This e-mail was sent to me by a dear friend who remains in Lebanon. It brought a smile to my face.
Keeping the spirit high -

In 1982, Italy won the world cup and Israel
invaded Lebanon

In 2006, Italy won the world cup and Israel
invaded Lebanon

Message to all Lebanese people:

Next time Italy wins the world cup, we all
go immediately down to the shelters!!

102 comments:

Media Tycoon said...

hmmmm...good point

PeaceMan said...

From
http://beirutnotes.blogspot.com/2006/07/i-am-sorry.html

I Am Sorry
The only way I can face all the death and destruction around me right now is to be rude. And I am sorry.

"Kos Om Hezbollah Ala Om Israeel Ala Akht Souriya Ala Akht Iran."

This little and fat bearded geek Nasrallah has decided to wage an open war on Israel. This little dogmatic #### is a slave to the coward Bashar Assad who is a slave to the little bearded and thin Ahmadinejad who is a slave to the biggest #### of them all Khamanei.

These criminals have decided to fight Israel to the last Lebanese. These criminals have decided to wipe out the future of our children.

The Israelis are killing our children and mothers and Nasrallah wants to fight on. Who is he to decide to fight on? Who gave him the right to fight on?
We, the Lebanese people, have elected a parliament and a government and they decide our future not some ignorant cleric.

We all know how powerful and criminal Israel can be and we all saw what it did in Gaza. So what is this bearded monkey doing?

He is an agent to the Iranians and the Syrians, the most cowardly regimes in the world. Look how quick Iran and Syria were in denying news that they were somehow involved in the current situation.

Nasrallah and his brainwashed goons are an expensive mercenary force ($500 million dollars per year) to the lowest forms of regimes. Iran and Syria are mice that dare not face Israel directly.

They want us to fight for them. They want us to destroy our little piece of heaven for them. They want us to sacrifice our children and virgins at the altar of Islam and Arabism while they live the good life.

God help my people and my country and punish all those that are harming it.

Lirun said...

i understand your rudeness.. and i wont patronise you with an explanation for it..

i too am angry about my country being bombed.. and i too am angry that a war has errupted..

but i do welcome the comic relief.. especially the animation shown earlier..

on some matters we are unlikely to ever agree.. but on the more important ones i am sure we can..

i like you want our slice of heaven to remain safe and i like you want our people to remain be unharmed..

peace to you peaceman..

i am not concerned about your swearing.. it would be great if all weapons were replaced with swear words.. the world would be safer..

lirun
telaviv
www.emspeace.blogspot.com
the east mediterranean is supposed to heaven around this time of year

Itai said...

good one.
in 1982 there was actually an undeclared cease fire during the final. This time HA waited for the world cup to finish first.

_z. said...

haha... thanks for noticing that Raja.

_z. said...

oh... sorry it was an email you received.

francois said...

next time we should all support france

VIVE LA FRANCE

Moon River said...

I am sorry. sorry for each and every Innocent human being that has been hurt, dead, and his life been shattered.
I'm sorry and sad, and i admit it is almost impossible for me to see young Lebanese children being hurt or dead!
i am not sorry for any terrorist how is being killed, and i want them all to be dean or for them to surrender the sane part of the world, and for them to realize there must be other way then terror. if not -let them be dead
so the others can live in peace

yuval from tlv said...

hehe raja let's hope the next battle between Israel and Lebanon will take place only in the worldcup..


now i have something i'm interested to see from people over here..

i want people to say what do they think will be the best solution to this war?

but please save your hate, and prejudice and respond normaly..

yuval from tlv said...

well maybe i'll start..

i think that Hezbolla should be removed from the israeli-lebanese border, and a strong armed international force will make sure that this area remains unarmed,
the international community and israel should help Lebanon to restore what they had lost, and the lebanese democratic government should get stronger.
i also thing that the lebanese army should be more armed and guard it's borders more effectivly.

after all that i hope that israel and lebanon will start negotiating peace process..

Lou said...

it's either religions or pollution that will destroy our precious planet...
I honestly thought pollution was leading the race... but must change my mind as I look at the situation.
Solution? Ban religions.

yuval from tlv said...

well i do think that religions help people to face the hard terms of our world..

a fully sacular people are usualy strong people who knows they can depend on them selfs and only upon them selfs so taking out relions will leave them helpless..

i think the better solution should be that rabbies, immams, and christs will all speak out loud against any violence and fanatism.. :)

yuval from tlv said...

correction -

i ment:

the unsecular people will be helpless if you denny them from religious..

barroon said...

God bless lebanies who are able to keep thier sence of humer even through the hardships :)

yuval from tlv said...

i want to make sure of that

both sides are suffering
i guess the Lebanese suffering much more, but believe me the Israelies are not enjoing of it, at all!

barroon said...

yuval from tlv

I think the best steps are
1) immidiate ceasfire
2) exchange of all prisoners
3) HA become a branch of lebanon army
4) Lebanon army on boarders
5) Sheba gave back to lebanon ( resolution 445 i guess )
6) Drawing boarders between Lebanon and syria
7) Isreal appologize for all the distruction made in lebanon
8) Lebanon appologize for Kidnaping Isreal Soldiers

yuval from tlv said...

barron...

i support that.. but i don't think that HA will disarm itself and join the Lebanese army to protect their borders..

if you want a soverign Lebanon you need to stop the Syrian influence, and HA as a "Hand" of Syria, will not agree to help Lebanon to seporate from Syria..

therefor although it's a great solution theoraticuly, i don't believe it's practically =\

Itai said...

Lou, I'm secular myself but may I remind you that the worst regimes in history were secular and even atheists. The Bolsheviks and the fascists introduced to the world the gulags, the police state, the concentration camps and the gas chambers. So maybe your intollerence is unjustified.

barroon said...

yuval from tlv said.

dont forget that HA are lebanies first and last no matter how much some scream that they are iranian made organization therefore nobody especialy Isreal cant remove them from thier land . Isreal cant fight to kick them out of lebanon like he did in 1982 to phalastinian organizations .
HA memberes and thier families are lebanies and will stay in lebanon regardless of outcome of this war so its better if Isreal set realestic goals before killing more civilians

yuval from tlv said...

let's assume that HA is truely a reprosentitive of Lebanese people..

they say it out loud that they want to destroy Israel, and they aim at civil cities..


so in that matter Israel should blame all of Lebanon and specially the Lebanese people..

i don't believe, and i don't want to believe that the Lebanese are a war seeking people, even if they do support HA, i don't see how the last provocation had done any good to them..

if they truely want these 3 lebanese prisoners, they could come out with a statement for negotiation with Israel.. befor taking one step further and jumping into violence..

and i still didn't understand who owns the Shabaa lands, the Syrians claims it theirs and the Lebanese also..

so if you negotiate and you gives Lebanon Shabaa lands under that prisoners exchange and negotaitions, then the Syrians will have an alliby to turn against Lebanon because they will view it as a Lebanese occupation of their lands..
so the Shabaa lands i believe is not something to discuss with Lebanon, it's something to discuss with the UN.

Eran Tel-Aviv said...

Sense of Humor was always the strong side in the Middle East conflict. it 's whatkeeps us all sane. The only ones who lack a sense of humor are the radicals and their supporters - people with absolute truths have no reason to doubt them and humor raises doubts. Try joking in Israel with a religious fanatic - you will most probably get cursed.

Daedalus said...

Thank you, thank you for the much needed civility on this blog. I have been reading nothing but hatred on so many blogs, hatred for all sides from all sides. All I wanted was to read some Lebanese blogs to see their perspectives, and wow, I kind of wish I hadn't. But I stumbled upon this one and have since linked to it. I also see you have linked to CIPE, where I work.

God speed the end to this wretched conflict with a solution that isn't going to last four or five years and then come back again.

Itai said...

I think this sort of virtual negotiations is really meaningless. The prisoners and the Sheba farms are irrelevant at this stage of the conflict and ofcourse there will be a prisoners exchange in the end and maybe some sort of agreement regarding the Sheba farms (nobody in Israel gives a f*ck about these farms anyway and I don't believe that in Lebanon either).

The current war is about Iranian influence versus Western influence in the region. And in American eyes, its ally, meaning ISR can't lose to Iran's proxy/ally, meaning HZA. The U.S. would also like to see its allys in Lebanon gain power against the Shiites and other pro Syrian elements.

So until Israel and the U.S. are satisfied with the outcome of the military campaign the negotiations can wait and even if you had an agreed formula now, it isn't relevant yet.

I recommend "Crisis" by Henry Kissinger, the book is composed of transcripts of some of the phone calls he made to foriegn and domestic diplomats, statesmen and other politicians during the 1973 war in the Middle East and the last days of the Vietnam war.
It really gives a good glimpse at how these things work. (I just hope Condi is as bright as Kissinger)

yuri said...

Right, there is an israeli cinema film about war in Lebanon during football cup '82. The name in hebrew Gmar Gavia(Cup Final)/IMDB link.
Not something special however might be useful to see it again under the circumstances.

David-Israel said...

Nice one :-)

so its all the Italian !!!!!!
That way they try to compromise bouth sides :-)

Sorry People,
Love you :-)

FGA said...

Itai, you hit the nail on the head. These ugly military operations will go on until there is enough evidence to suggest that Israel "won". Unfortunately, both sides will likely claim victory and at the end of the day nothing will have been achieved since Hizballah will re-plenish its arsenal in no time. On the other hand, it seems to me that the IDF has finally exposed its many weaknesses to the Syrian-Iranian proxy for the first time ever.

-FGA

shlemazl said...

Damn Italians! I knew it was all THEIR fault!

shlemazl said...

Barroon,

You say: 2) exchange of all prisoners.

I don't think so. There is only one Lebanese prisoner in Israel, a man who murdered a child with his rifle butt in cold blood. See this for further information.

Any exchange would invite Hizbullah to attack Israel in the future. It's a mistake Israel won't repeat.

barroon said...

shlemazl

good then.. its good news to know only one lebnani have been THAT much harming to Isreal to be kept as perisoner

Itai said...

fga, I think you shouldn't follow the amature analysts on the media and come to too early conclusions. They, you and I don't really know the facts. There is always a fog of war through which it's hard to see and the real time TV coverage actually adds to it instead of the opposite.

We have to take into account that: 1. We don't know what the IDF's and HZA's game plans are and how they are doing accomplishing them.
2. We don't know what are HZA casualties and hardware losses.

If you attribute too much importance to a damaged tank or ship or to a loss of 8 soldiers in a certain battle you might lose the big picture.

I can't say I discovered any new weaknesses in the IDF. But you can enlighten me on that matter.
Like I said, I don't know what HZA game plan is or what are its losses but I believe they were surprised and that they are not doing too good. But I guess we'll both have to wait till the fat lady sings.

seeker said...

fga,
military actions are ugly by definition.
It's depressing thinking about HZ as the enemy all the time, I don't think that should end this way, I look at it as if it's a misguided organization without accountablity, bottom line it's the accountablity that bothers the world and you. Most would like Lebanon to be accountable to it instead of it pulling Lebanon by the nose, and frakly these misguided young, motivated trained people could be a huge step forward to Lebanon, if they are controlled by the country and not by some Iranian/Syrian vassals.

I have no clue how feasable it is, but I don't think it is in any of our interests just to fight HZ to the rest of our days (Lebanese or others), the variety of scenarios in that choices as much as I can see are bloody and remain bloody.

I am for teaching fighters to build, channeling all this energy for positive actions will create miracles in Lebanon and the ME. There is so much to build, among others a Lebanese Image to unite all of Lebanon (Still some international tactics should be used to suffocate HZ with the inflitrating source) including the HZ.

In my humble opinon at this stage you are provided with advantages:
- HZ is weakend and you have international support all need be is attract the HZ to join the contry and remove the meddeling influnces.
- Attacks on Lebanon unified Lebanon, that is a head start, just not let it fall away.

Even HZ is not doing things because they are bad, they do things because they think they are right, Remove the head and let Lebanon define right and wrong.

But than again I am a dreamer,
but than again dreams have pulled the Cedar revolution

Peace and love

yuri said...

Barroon

As a part of last deal with Hizballa Samir Quntar and couple other lebanese prisoners in Israel should be free for strong information about Ron Arad's fate. So bring the information(something that enough for DNA test) and Samir Kuntar will back.
As for Shebaa farms, it's issue of Syria. If Syria officially informs
UN that Shebaa farms is not sirian land and actually belongs to Lebanon, then Israel will withdraw from there according to 425 resolution, accepted by Israel.

seeker said...

hehe fga,
it seems to me that the IDF has finally exposed its many weaknesses to the Syrian-Iranian proxy for the first time ever.

That reminds me an anecdote, At a one point in my life I found myself studying in Belgium with a Syrian guy. A gorrila, really big guy, anyways, being curious I was trying to strike a conversation with this guy, I saw a bit of discofort and all, at the beginning and only after some time I realized that the guy was afraid of me (This big gorrila of a man was actually afraid of me.

My question is "What do they teach you about Israelis/IDF" whatever to make you think that we are so scary? IDF does not drink babys blood nor is it invicible to bullets.
It did invest a lot of training an equipment because we are fighting for our survivial. and we will not give up because contrary to some peoples beliefs, Israelis belong to Israel.

However, the guy was really nice person.but unfortantly big friendship did not grow out of this

FGA said...

Seeker, cute analogy. I have not been formally "taught" anything about the IDF. In fact, I am just recalling hsitory. If memory serves me right, it only took Israel 6 days to defeat three major arab nations in the not so distant past. Today, we are seeing them struggling quite a bit, wouldnt you agree?

And I sure hope that the Syrian "Gorrilla" of a man is not reading your comment, as it would hurt his feelings..

:)
FGA

Amon Ra said...

Itai;

It is so sad you have called the greatest diplomatic butcher of the 20th century (Henry Kissinger) a bright man...

Obviously you do not give a penny for Cyprus, Chile, Greece and numerous other nations that have suffered in the past because of this "bright" man ...

I know definitely what to expect in the future so allow me not to take seriously your comments.

seeker said...

He is welcomed to read my comments,
In fact I would like to see him again, he is a good conversation partner.
just to be clear Gorilla I ment big and mascular, not refering to beauty.

And you can always explain that he was afraid of me becuase of me because of my repulsive physics :)

Israel never lost a war (Otherwise I wouldn't have probably been here) but we did loose some battles. and fighting gerrilas in their homeland when they had time to be prepared. I am suprised the IDF even took this challanges and even more surprise on the low level of casualties. As I mentioned IDF is not bulletproof.

I have some russian friends and they told me that in russian newspapers they always compare Israel's conflicts and the Chech conflicts and they remarked on that fighting that Russia should learn from Israel on their remarkable achievement.

But I do not agree, achievement as I stated above comes from building and creating not from destroying.

Peace to all.

seeker said...

Chech = Chechchian/russian conflict
But you all understood that already :)

Anyway good night to all and
hope good news will befall all of us soon.

Dimitry said...

Well spank me Rosie. Faced with well trained and armed troops, in fortified position and terrain they know much better than IDF, IDF actually sustains casualties, and it takes them time to conquer those positions. Utterly amazing.


This myth of IDF's invisibility is doing Israel less good than one might expect. For one, every successful ambush or casualty is concidered a shocking victory, and for two, idiots on the Israeli side make decisions that assume IDF's omnipotence ("yes, we can afford to retreat and let them build a massive force - if they'll do anything, we'll kick their asses and go take lunch"), decisions that later cost Israel dearly.

yuri said...

fga

That's the difference. The war is how damage you can bring to your enemy, before he prefers to lost something, but stop the violence and further damage. In 1967 arab armies was not so damaged in 6 days, they still could fight, but preferred to stop.
Now Lebanon is seriously damaged, and Lebanon really wants to stop, but HA doesn't care. Hizballastan is something different than Lebanon. Its father(and feeder) - Iran, its mother - islamic revolution. Estimated that IDF killed at least 200 HA fighters up to date, so they still have 500-700. Well, more time, more damage.

lebanese_student said...

a blogger on another website also made this same comment a few days earlier :) thanks for the comic relief guys

Natalie said...

God I did support Italy and was dead chuffed after they won the WC..coz honestly tell me abt a betterlooking team than the Italians :p bless themoh and their football skills r quite something doncha think?

However, I kinda feel sad reading some comments on HA..I know everyones entiltled for his/her opinion but at this time..all Lebanese should be united against the terrorist leaders of Israel.. its quite obvious for me that they used the 2 bloody soldiers as a lame excuse to make attack Lebanon!I mean for Christ do ulot beleive that this war wasnt planned since their loss in the south? they wanted to revenge or else why would they target civilan areas..if they wanted HA then..why dont they fight with them like men? Israelis are nothing but cowards. I support HA eventho Im Christian..but Im lebanese andthe pride of my country is all that matters to me.

yuval from tlv said...

do you realy think that the IDF had exposed it's weakness?
the IDF is doing it's best to to hurt civilians as far as it may sound to you..

but if israel would want to they would give permission to the IDF to hit of full force, and those vilages would have been gone to dust by now..
it's not a problem for the IDF to do so.. but it tries not to in order to minimize the damage..

unfortunately HB is using the Lebanese civil infulastracture so the IDF had to destroy a large civil infulstracture in order to stop them..

but you tell me, do you really think the IDF had used it's full power?
one nepal bomb would rip a village from this earth and the firing from there will cease at once..
but it tries not to do such a massive damage..

don't you forget that HB is attempting to hit the Petro-chimical factories in Haifa, israeli city.. if they'll succed then the entire region will suffer from a dealy toxic chimical cloud..
and then the IDF won't care for villages..

so let's all hope so HB will stop it's fire and stop it's attempts to arm it self cause it risks the antire area to get into a truely massive ruthless war..

yuval from tlv said...

correction -

NOT to hurt civilians, as far as it may sound to you..

(second sentence)

Natalie said...

See the difference? HA dont have all the weapons you have but yet they did embarrass you in manu occasions ;)

Your country cant break us by using all these filthy weapons really..we're waaay much stronger than you!! trust me on this..we're strong even when we dont have the USA to save our arse!!

Ive seen so many interviews with Mr. Nassrallah and he said nothing abt hitting the petro chemicals factories coz as he thinks itll lead the entire region to some unknown fate.

We just want to live in peace & pride..so why dont u guys -in israel- leave us alone? just give us our presioners..leave our farms and stop sticking your nose in our local issues! Iknow that MOSSAD (spelling) is very active in Lebanon and all wot u want is another civil war!!

nasbined said...

Well said Natalie, Jews can't be trusted. Mossod is everywhere, probably firing rockets at Israeli chemical plants from Lebanon right now. The Jews are always looking for excuses to get more blood from innocent civilians because on the battlefields of Lebanon they have been so humiliated by Hezbollah and the Islamic nation.

There is no need for a premature ceasefire. The end is near for "Israel", the weight of zionists' arrogan., without

shlemazl said...

Natalie,

There is only one Lebanese prisoner
in Israel. He was caught in Israel having killed a man and a small child.

There are many hundreds of Lebanese in Syrian jails, mostly Christians captured in Lebanon for political activity. Why don't you shell Syria? Why don't you kidnap Syrian soldiers? Let's see what happens after that.

There are Lebanese who want to live in peace, but they are not generally supporters of Hesbollah.

nasbined said...

My comment was cut off. The weight of the zionists arrogance has broke their own back. I'd bet next year Arabs will be able to walk from Beirut to Gaza without so much as a checkpoint. Israel has crossed the point of no return when it comes to living amongst the nations.

FGA said...

Yuri, trust me I would LOVE to believe that Hizballah's power is being eroded by this campaign. However, your statistcs seem completely off. Are these number accurate or do they just reflect your wishful thinking??

Judging by the number of rockets hitting your northern cities in each passing day and the inability of your forces to hold much ground in southern lebanon, Hizballah dont seem to be doing so bad!

Oh well...we'll just have to wait and see how many casualties your country can sustain before you cry foul and question the wisdom of Ehud.

FGA

MERKOVA said...

RAJA, Nice one. So funny. Next time Italy wins not only you run to your shelters with your tails wagging between your legs. You guys can also put up a HUGE TARGET sign for the Israeli 5000lbs bomb to drop.

Lirun said...

THE MOST QUESTIONABLE VICTORY EVER

and so we proceed to fight eachother yet another night and yet another day..

so i ask us all to query for a second.. until when and until what.. if today there is any point at all to the fighting - how will know that this invisible point has gone? how will know that we have won?

do we want to kill everyone? probably not

will a cessation of rockets be a victory? well that which can stop can just as easily start again and then what..

will nasrallas death mean victory? i'm sure HA has adequate succession plans.. with many psychos eager to step up to the plate and earn world glamour

will the devestation of the terrorist infrastructure suffice? well the greatest infrastructure that terrorists have is their evil minds.. query how many of those we are cultivating by harming innocent people during our quest for security..

do we need to restore our pride and can we stop then? at that stage.. what exactly will we be proud of..

the "day after" is looking weirder and weirder by the second.. look at the USA and their spectacular/media smothered efforts to deter terrorists.. their hegemony sank like a bullet.. every international relations scholar will tell you that flexing muscles is the first sign of decline and weakness for a hegemon.. so what message are we really sending.. and onnce properly chewed swallowed and digested what will the world excrete back at us..

i have no idea in the world..

seeking only peace with myself my people and my neighbours

lirun
telaviv
www.emspeace.blogspot.com
because the east med sea should be beautiful right now

Pasdutout said...

Natalie,

I share your pain, and would dearly like to see all of this stopped. but you must understand the realities of the situation:

This is unbalanced warefare: Hizbullah can bite, can cause damage and kill some people and soldiers, but it can't hope for more than a return to the pre-war situation, at a huge cost to Lebanon.

Israel, On the other hand, hopes for Hizbullah's complete disarming (not clear if this will happen, but it is POSSIBLE).

I'm guessing that a new civil war in Lebanon would be considered a disaster: Do the Israelis on this forum agree?

MERKOVA said...

There's no STOPPING. Israel will only stop the bombing if the hezbolla are gone. That's not even the job of the Israelis. Its the job of the lebanese government and its people. But I guess the lebanese population and its men does not have the courage. They like to be victims.

Pasdutout said...

I picked up a rumor yesterday, that Mr. Nasrullah is now in Syria.

Anybody else hear of this?

nasbined said...

Yes Kuwaiti tv through Reuters reports him meeting with Iran's nuclear weapons minister in Damascus.

John said...

I don't know. I thought that a discussion could be made (even with differences of opinions between us), but after seeing Natalie's and Nasbined's sayings, I'm not so sure (they simply smell of plain old antistemetic middle aged jew-hating, thinking of jews as omnipotent wizards/devils that want to destroy the earth. How can you say anything to people with such prejudices? )

And in the end the jews turn out to be the bad guys that hate Arabs. Kind of ironic...

barroon said...

yuval from tlv

u talking about nepal bombs and how Israel can dust off villages and ( a country if he wish ) . THANK U for admitting it . no one doubt that and that is what every body in ME is concern about . “ The military power of Israel” + their arrogance to use it .
now why Israel should boder at all ? why not use his Nuclear weapon and finish HA- Villages and whatever else in the path and let u Israelis live in peace eventually ?
come on, use ur logic, telling every body about Israel power of distraction is nothing to be proud of!
IDF not killing and destroying more massive not bcuz they try to keep civilian life or minims damage , no one in reign will buy this argument . they only doing it bcuz they need some level of PR to present their selves as fighters of terror in world not as serial killers

barroon said...

I have a question ONLY for lebnanies reader , I will appreciate if Israelis ignore my Q and spare me from their answers , since I noticed in last 2 weeks 95% of commentors are either Israelis or pro-Israelis

My question : why Lebanon army didn’t try in last decade or at least in last year ( after Syrian withdraw ) to empower the army ability by purchasing and installing an air defense networks system . was it impossible for your government to close some deals military wise ?
Or this is also have something to do with HA-Syria- Iran ?

barroon said...

John

I cant talk in behalf of natalie or nasiba. but for so many ppl who i talked with the problem is not with Jews AT ALL, once again AT ALL.
its with Isreal goverment/policy/history/Military...

Shirin said...

Thanx for that litlle smile i have now. I almost don't smile anymore, since it all began. I am sad... very much, about the people in Lebanon, about Lebanon... my beautiful homeland... and about the situation.
I hope with the help of Allah the war ends soon.
If you ask me, I preffer that Italy wont play next time ;) , in order to make sure nothing happens again..

Be strong,
Shirin

http://shirin-from-lebanon.blogspot.com/

yuval from tlv said...

barroon

let me understand you..

you want Israel to act like Russia in Chechenia?


i think it's time that you stop feeding your selfs with lies..

or you'll probably believe that the Iranian government is an israeli controlled one, in order to make the arabs a bad name?

don't you have another prejudice,blinded hate, conspiracies, in order to explain why did israel manage to be so strong and united while the arab world cant?

take a look around you, who had done with armed militions, and turned to peace with Israel?
that's right - Egypt and Jordan..
and i don't need to tell you that since then those countries had made a great advance.
you may blame Israel for everything, but it won't help you.
untill you understand the truth.

barroon said...

yuval from tlv

i read ur post 3 times and i was not understand it, so i will let it go. it seems beside truth i cant understand ur thoughts as well

yuval from tlv said...

the main issue of the comment was that you need to stop blaming Israel for everything.

it's true israel is bombing you right now, but ask yourself why.

and if you keep on supporting the HB, then don't complian about israeli bombing.

what you cooked, is what you eat.

barroon said...

yuval from tlv

I agree that Isreal is not only one to blame , and to be more exact i do blame arabs ( ur nigbours ) for not being able to take and give effeciantly with ur goverment in political meetings in last 60 years.
as Dr. Phill says : we have to stop " blame game" and start to ask " how our action works for us , does it make us happier , more succesful, more near to our goals " ?
this is a Q each side must ask it. so its even works for ur side. u should stop blaming HA or Hamas or as u call them " Terror gourop" for whatever happens around ur comunity and own ur responsibilites to what is happening right now.
instead come out and say " when can swap u, dust off u , IF WE DECIDE !"
and beleive me in this brakary both side will eat what they cooked

barroon said...

i meant "we " not "when"

yuval from tlv said...

the comment about that the IDF can turn a village to dust if it likes to... refered to someone who said that the IDF can't fight the HB..

and it wasn't intended to make someones angry or to show off our power..

the issue with the palastinians is much more complex then the Lebanese.. so i won't get into it.. and i don't blame the palastinians for all..

but the recent conflict with Lebanon i do blame HB for it and only them cause i don't see any reason for their attack on Israel..

maybe Israel was too hard on Lebanon and maybe not..
but what i do want to say that we're not the one to blame on this conflict..
we're not the one who started attacking Lebanon for no reason..

it just that after the israeli withdraw 6 years ago, HB had heavily armed it self and attacked israel time and time again..
in which as far as i view it, we responded very easily..
but we had enough..
we cannot stand still time and time again..
and on the recent attack on israel, we decided it's time to act against them..

the way it should be done - is a matter for discussion..
and not the right of israel to defend it self..

MERKOVA said...

Listen up guys ... arabs and Jews. Israels response to the hezbolla in lebanon is too easy. Israel should just NAPALM and erase the villages where the rockets are fired from. This is WAR.

If the lebanese people could not stop and not ask for help from the international community how to get rid of the hezbolla. Then the Israelis have the RIGHT to BOMB lebanon to death. Remember, the lebanese government and the lebanese are harboring terrorist in their own houses, cities and villages.

By the way. I know what these fund raisings are for. Its a terrorist fund raising not for the lebanese people.

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Natalie said...

To Shlemaz,

There are loads of Lebanese prisoners Samir Kontar,Yahya Skaff, Nassim Naser& Mohammed Farran to name a few. As for our prisoners in Syria, well we can negotiate with them and get our prisoners back, its an issue between brothers, so we want everyone out of it. But tell me can we do the same with Israel? Hell no.

To Pasdutout,

I respect your opinion a lot, it's an unbalanced warfare I agree, but HA are more than capable of causing so many harm to our enemy, and the quality of their fighters is way much better than the quantity of the Israeli soldiers along with all of their so advanced supplies.

To merkova,

So it will never end, and by God willing we're gonna win!
Forza Hizballa
Forza Resistanza as Italian say

To John,

The problem is not between us & Jews, it's between us and the terror leaders in Israel. Yes Israel want to destroy the earth!! And for Christ sake do they love Arabs in Israel? The answer is NO, its pure & simple. Israel is the country that occupied our south and thus a resistance was formed to fight the invaders, nothings wrong with that if there was an occupation there should be a resistance that’s our right. If it wasn’t for Israel Sayed Nassrallah would have been an ordinary bloke walking down the road without being recognized but look at him now..all the Arab nations are looking at him as a hero. So thank you Israel.

To Barroon,
It's because we were reconstructing out cities & villages and the Air Defence will cost us billions which we couldn’t afford to buy, add to that, who's gonna sell us all the planes & stuff? America? Yeh just like the ones they're selling to other Arab nations!

To Shirin,

We're strong believe me, we will overcome this crisis by Gods willing!! But Italy not playing will mean no cute players in the WC lol

To merkova,

It's all BS with all due to respect..HA are a resistance group..they existed to protect us Lebanese from Israelis terror government..we'll support them untill the occupation is over!! is that clear? Isreal existance was upon terrorist basis. how? well, the didnt negotiate with palastinians did they? they just killed them & kicked them out of their own country!! andwhen they fight Israel theyre the ones called terrorists ..how can this be?

Lirun said...

i have spoken only of peace until now..

however i do have one question to my lebanese neighbours.. lebanon is now offering a ceasefire and an exchange of hostages within 24 hours.. if it has the power to release hostages and isnt doing so until now.. how can it genuinely disclaim responsibility..

i am mere seeking to understand..

relentlessly seeking peace
lirun
telaviv
www.emspeace.blogspot.com

yuval from tlv said...

they chose not too, simply

those people don't want israel near them, the seek for an islamic domination in the middle east and god knows where else..

if someone don't recognize you as a nation, he won't negotiate with you either. therefor they had'nt done that.

just look at Natali respond and you'll get the pic.

so if you Lebanese seek for peace or ceasef-ire you know what you should do.
you've done that with the PLO and now you should do it with Hb..
if you claim that they're a part of your people, not like the PLO, then you shouldn't complain about the Israeli bombing.

barroon said...

yuval from tlv

u say " u shouldnt complain about the isreali bombing"
u want lebanies to die quietly ? even without saying OWCH when ur goverment kill them by dozen ?

Antonio said...

Israeli propaganda has often claimed that Arabs harbor hopes of "destruction of Israel." Well, Israel is actually destroying Lebanon, having actually destroyed Palestine. So who is destroying whom? (from angryarab's blog)

yuval from tlv said...

and you think that the israelies should also be quiet while you Lebanese are killing us by dozens too?



antonio - israel is responding, not attacking other nations for no reason.. that's the difference.

Dimitry said...

barron - here's the idea. You either want war with Israel, or you don't. Whether you want it because you want to kill all Israelis, or you just want two and a half bloody acres and set a murderer free, is irrelevant for this point, just the question of whether you want it.

Because if you do, yes, you should not copmlain for Israel's bombings, because guess what, when you fight a war with a strong opponent, you'll get bombed. You don't get to order Wars delux. You reap what you sow.
You don't want to get bombed? Easy. Don't strive to get into war with Israel. In fact, you should take active measures to avoid it. Or in other words: 1. don't attack Israel and 2. don't allow anyone else attack Israel from your country.

Since it appears to me you're falling in the category of Hiz supports, i.e., those who want war - you have no right to complain about what Israel is doing.

Antonio said...

Yuval: do you realize that if your mesure for an adequate response had to be adopted faithfully, now for the UN observers bombed and killed the nations involved (Finland, Austria, China, Canada) would have to launch attack a wide bombing campaign on Israeli soil? Think about it, when justifying the irresponsibile destruction you're leaving behind as just "responding".

yuval from tlv said...

antonio

i guess you hadn't heard about the canadian UN solider who sent his commander an Email a few days befor, saying the HB is firing a few meter from the UN base in order to avoid Israeli bombing..

so who you should blame for thses kill?
israel who defend it selfs? or HB who fires at israel from there?


that is one of the reasons Israel wants an armed UN force, we rather Nato forces, who could fire at these people if the do so..

but the UNIFIELD forces are just an observers, therefor they could do nothing against the HB attacking on Israel a few meter from their base.

so if you look for justice, you should seek for the truth first!


and what exactly is your opinion about the UN forces who attacked Cosovo in the 90's and killed 10 thousand! ( yes that's right) 10 thousand civilians?!?! ha?!

was that unproportional too?!
did anyone spoke against it?!
did you protested against it?!
hell no! you simply enjoying blaming Israel for nothing!

are you protesting against the situation in Sudan?!
what about North Korea?!
did you protested against the war between Iraq and Iran?! which killed 2 million civilians!

so shut up and stop being so one-sided Hypocrant!

MERKOVA said...

NATALIE .... Are so BLIND of your HATRED against the Jews that you have no concept of whats EVIL and GOOD.

Do you know that the hamas and hezbollah are USING the lebanese and palestinians as HUMANSHIELDS.

Here's a history lesson just for you. There is NO palestinian country or state. Palestinians are Jordanians. By the way, king abdullah, father of king hussien, ordered the MASSACRE of thousands of palestinians for rebellion in what is now called jordan.

Palestinians are being used as pawns by other arab states and the excuse is Israel.

RADICAL MUSLIMS = EVIL

Antonio said...

Yuval, we're all grown-up and your country too is not anymore a baby one and you know at a certain age one stops telling himself any kind of fable to avoid responsability.

Don't be naive, enough blaming someone else for your actions, enough trying to divert attention citing unrelated or blatantly imaginary events (thousands of people killed in Kosovo by UN? came-on! you're referring to Sebrenica which has nothing to do with Kosovo and where mass murders where carried out by serbian militias, not certainly UN). You get to a point in the life where you start judging your own actions and their consequences with objectivity and rationality, indipendentely of anything else: this is called maturity. Israel doesn't seems to be yet there, and this is a big part of the whole problem. Is not that his own response is disproportionate, it's that it has no limits, which is different. It'll go as far as it gets, with no considerations of opportunity, with no listening to international community, with no caring of your long term perspectives, with no respect for international bodies as UNIFIL. You'd call this force, and instead is weakeness.

Under any circumstances Tsahal had the right to destroy a UN observation point. Period. If HA use it as a shell for their attacks (which is not confirmed, UN clearly denied it) you either move to a different target (won't be a single HA post to change the fate of the war) or you ask the UN personnel to evaquate: as simple as it gets. Or you try to be more accurate with your hits, which is may be the first thing you'd expect from such an advanced and prepared army. That's because UN point was located in high ground, clearly visible and clearly labeled and Tsahal bombed it several times, after being requested a number of times not to do it and using a precision bomb. WTF??

merkova: stop feeding your brain with propaganda.

yuval from tlv said...

yes if you didn't know that, when the UN forces attacked not specific Cosovo but the entire region in order to stop that war, they killed 10 thousand civilians!!
go for google and check up for Info!

talking about disproportional?

Spain was ready to fight Marocco for an uncivilized pathetic island near the coasts.

France bombed the Rainbow Warior 1, belongs to GreenPeace, because the discovered that they're having an illegal nuclear tests over the pasifics.

should i go on?

Russia heavily bombed civil cities in Chechenia, due to terror attacks from there.

England, germany, denmark, US, Iceland, The Netherlands, and so on - bombed Iraq for no reason! do you happen to know how many civilians got killed?!

and i guess you don't know the truth but HB didn't used the UN post to fire from there!
the fired a few meter from that base!! guess what?? an Israeli bomb had hit the place!!

wanna know more?
6 yeas ago the UN Unifield forces had helped HB to kidnap Israeli soliders, which the UN opened an invastigation for it and admited for it - BUT they hadn't even apologize for it!!!

so stop being so naive, "liberal", and "justice keeper".
if you don't know the whole picture don't responde with stupid ideas.
Israel has the right to fight the ones who are aiming their missiles over the Israeli civil cities!

i don't know where are you from but i do know if your nation had the same situation they would long time ago invade and bomb the shit out of there!

shlemazl said...

To Natalie,

"There are loads of Lebanese prisoners Samir Kontar,Yahya Skaff, Nassim Naser& Mohammed Farran to name a few. As for our prisoners in Syria, well we can negotiate with them and get our prisoners back, its an issue between brothers, so we want everyone out of it. But tell me can we do the same with Israel? Hell no."

Actually you named ALL four prisoners that Hezbollah claimes are in Israeli jails.

1. Samir Qantar

This man burst into a man's house in Israel, killed him, killed his daughter with a rivle butt. Another child was smothered by her mother as she was trying to hide and to stop her from crying.

2. Yahyia Skaff

Skaff was apparently captured by the Israelis in March, 1978, after an attack on the Israeli coast with Palestinian guerrillas which cost 35 Israeli lives. Reports said that Skaff was killed in the incident – but prisoners released from Israeli jails insisted they had met him in captivity.


3. Nasim Nisr

Nisr is a Lebanese-born Israeli citizen imprisoned for working for Hizbollah.

4. Mohammad Farran

Mohammad is the forth and final allerged Lebanese prisoner in Israel. All I could find on Mohammad is an enquiry from the Lebanese Fishing Union.

In summary there is actually just ONE Lebanese child murderer in Israel that Hizbollah has started this war over.

Glad you are so concerned for Lebanese tortured, killed and imprisoned in Syria for tens of years often for nothing other than religioun or politics.

Actually you can negotiate with Israel. Jordan and Egypt have peace agreements.

misslebanon said...

Im Natalie, but I kinda cant log in, dont know wots wrong :S anyhoo, here are my replies to some of the comments made by some , some members here,

lirun,

HA in the first place captured the 2 Israeli soldiers for the purpose of exchanging them with the Lebanese prisoners in Israel. I dont get it, whats wrong with that? Has Israel ever tried to discuss that issue with us? Nope!! They just hate us for kicking their arses in the south and cant stand the fact there's another power in the region, period. Nabieh Perry – he talks on behalf of HA for the time being-

We all want peace , I mean God who likes wars? We just want our prisoners, lands back, and see what kind of peace loving people are we.


yuval from tlv,

First of all,I think I already mentioned that I'm Christian, why would I seek an "Islamic domination"? We're seeking justice; we want our lands & our prisoners, that’s our right.

We're killing Israelis by dozens? OMG how you lot alter facts!! See the casualties, 51deaths among Israelis (the vast majority of them were soldiers) & 430 Lebanese (the vast majority were civilians- women & children – and only about 10-15 from HA.

Antonio,
Well said!!

Merkova,

LMAO hahaha , I nearly died from laughter,and I have never ever smiled since the day one of theIsraeli aggression , but lets get back to our subject: Palestinians were Jordanians? Then what the heck are the Palestinians and where did they come from?

Heres a history lesson just for you my friend,
The State of Palestine was a former colony of Britain. Palestinians lived there for thousands of years, they were famous of agriculture, you know, since they have rivers and overall green lands, and above all, there are plenty of holy religious places for Muslims, Christians & Jews thus came the bloody promise of Belfore –spelling- he decided to give Palestine to the Jews, who wanted to have a land from Euphrates to Nile but as a start they occupied Palestine and deserted it from its people, and that’s why you see them in Lebanon , Jordan & all over the world. After that, PLO was formed, they were the 1st resistance group in the region, and oh , Israel occupied Syrias hills AKA Gollans ,Siena of Egypt and finally Southern Lebanon. Im sure they wanted to go further but they couldn’t as they faced very strong resistance wherever they went; and since Im Lebanese I'll talk about HA, they are a resistance group formed in the early 80s after the Israeli invasion to Southern Lebanon, so they kept on fighting the invaders till they finally won & managed to kick the them out of our country. Does that make them evil? Does that make them terrorists? Huh they're the heroes of this Arab nation. So stop asking us to disarm them coz that wont happen, and we're gonna fight Nazi cowards and kick them out!!

Long Live Lebanon
Long Live Nassarallah

PS
shlemazl,
will reply soon just let me back my answer with evidence ;)

Heres a link you Israelis might love to see
http://209.67.212.138/~lebanon/

yuval from tlv said...

o.k. so Natali you tell me - you said you don't want war right?

but you do justify the attack over Israel for no reason, the entire world said that - if you want to negotiate about the Lebanese prisoner ( who most of them are murderers ), and you want the Shabaa farms back, why didn't you negotiate with us if the first place?

if you so supportive in HB and Syria you tell me why do you keep in quiet when you have so many Lebanese politic prisoners in Syria?
why don't you attack Syria too?


and i still don't see the connection between the PL situation, and how it justifies HB attacks.
if you seek for "justice" against Israel because of the PL issue, don't cry after that about the Israeli bombings..

and if you ask yourself why do you have so many civilians dead, take a look at what the Chief head of the UN refugees department said - the HB are cowards for hiding in civil places, and i don't understand how can they be proud of it, or be proud that civilians are being killed.

if you had HB man firing missile from your building, don't be suprised that the IDF will attack that building after that.
as simple as that.

Lirun said...

mislebanon

you surprise me.. you sound almost eloquent .. but whats wrong with invading our land and kidnapping our people so that we free your murderers? did you intend to type that question or does your computer have a virus?

the question answers itself very well.. but its almost as ridiculour as "what time is the five oclock news on?" or how about "lebanese nationals sanctioned by a lebanese elected party has been bombing israel for 6 years - cant imagine why israel would be bombing back.. can anyone tell me why?"

come on dude.. sober up..

seeking peace notwithstanding the crapola

lirun
telaviv
www.emspeace.blogspot.com
isnt this getting ridiculous?

Lirun said...

whatsmore..

you still havent answered my question.. lebanon is now suggestingit can answer and assure israel's requests for a ceasefire.. given that (the impression i am getting) is that in fact lebanon is sick of (to use your phraseology) getting the "shit kicked out" of her..

however.. if it has this power.. and has these abilities and hence is in control of the actions of its nationals.. how come it could squarely stare our representative in theface during the security council meeting and tell him that lebanon had no control and could not take responsibility.. to me that would be an "untruth" or perhaps a plain lie..

this concerns me..

still believing that there are people wanting peace and wishing for its expedient arrival

lirun
telaviv
www.emspeace.blogspot.com
crap no - peace yes

MERKOVA said...

to misslebanon ..... Your really a Jew hater. Nothing will change people like you except. Your a disease the spreads hatred and needs to be killed and vanished just like the hezbollah.

Yes I know the circumstances and history of palestine. It's great you know some of the truth not the corrupted side. If you notice in your writing. The Jews and palestinians lived together peacefully until the state of Israel was created. The problem was the RADICAL muslims, crazy rugheads.

Generations of UNEDUCATED young arabs hear from their father and grandfather that Israel is evil and needs to be destroyed. Until today the same stories and lies are still being told. Adding to that are the crazy islamist. Reading the quran is not education.

There's no ending in this conflict except DEATH to all arabs that resist the state of Israel. Resistance if futile.

Israel will bring death from above. Just today ... 50 lebanese and half were children got killed by IAF. lebanon will bleed to death untill your young men GROW balls and figth the hezbolla.

Being a coward will not save your country from bleeding. Israel will pound your villages day in and day out untill its just dust. The lebanese population is just a HUMANSHIELD to hezbolla.

Israel have atleast 2 more weeks of BOMBING :) Before we ,the US, will do something. By that time I hope the lebanese will wake up.

By the way. To ALL AMERICANS, not including the so called American arabs, as you have seen in FOX NEWS and CNN. There are American volunteers in IDF. Volunteer to the IDF. Just like before. Americans volunteered to fight hitler. Its time again to volunteer to fight radical arabs. Freedom in Israel is being endagered by radical arabs.

NO PEACE TO lebanon ....... RESISTANCE IS FUTILE .......

Osman said...

merkova, If you were molested as a child then my heart goes to you.If you missed a flight to Israel to volunteer for the IDF then relax.An allien spaceship(THE LUNATICS ENTERPRISE) is coming for you and the rest of the bomb dropping/rocket launching educated and civilised fools.do not bother to reply.you are a ghost,an empty shell and a disgrace to humanity.hitler,saddam and sharon are awaiting your arrival.just because you breath does not mean you are alive.Good bye and good luck from mother EARTH.

Natalie said...

Yuval,
First of all, my name is Natalie NOT Natali, its not civilized to misspell peoples names, didn’t you know that? Oh sorry I forgot you don’t know what does the word "civilized" mean :o
Anyhoo, lets discuss your points,
Yes we want our prisoners back, I couldn’t care less about the way you & your government look at them, you call them murderers because the killed some Israeli civilians? For Christ sake – oh forgot you actually fought him till….. – what do you call those whod done what they had done today? 27 young children were murdered with cold blood, yeah right I forgot that our blood is merely consisting of filthy water!! You're asking why don’t we negotiate with you, let me ask you, did you negotiate with us before occupying our farms? How many wars did you start on us? The is the 6th BTW, and some of them were even before HA was formed, so theres no trust between our countries nor our people to be completely honest.
HA are Lebanese resistance group & Syria are our loving & supporting brothers & neighbours. As for our prisoners there, there are only few people in the Syrian jails and the majority were fighting us – yeah traitors in another word- during the time you were in our south having your arses kicked. the Chief head of the UN refugees department is with all due to respect puppet, he says & does whatever Bush & Olmert tell him to do, however, lets pretend what he said was true, then where were HA fighters? All what I could see on TV were dead weird coulred bodies of women & children, and haven’t seen any sign of what used to be catyoucha rockets or anything, all were civilians and their proprieties. The cowards in fact are your Gollany-spelling- forces, they have your so called IAD to back them up but yet HA- with their middle age weapons- slaughtered them and ARE slaughtering them.

lurin,
invading your land & kidnapping your soldiers? Hmmm, tell me how does that feel? You did the same to us so many times even before this war with your IAF invading our air zones in almost daily basis & the entire world were watching and don’t give a fock,while when we did that, the exact same world are condemning us and were standing still while you were raining our capital, cities & villages with all kind of International prohibited weapons, not only that, they were so supportive & aided you with new weapons!! And tell me what does that " lebanese nationals sanctioned by a lebanese elected party has been bombing Israel for 6 years" HA's been bombing you for 6 years? Come on, stop lying to your self and stop placing your filthy traits on others!!
Lebanese government didn’t take responsibility for HA action as they didn’t inform them about that operation, however, Nabieh Perry is now the representative of HA – well only because HA don’t like to negotiate with you, nor does Perry BTW but he really has to-
Finally, who likes wars? Nobody!! Yes we don’t want war, BUT we don’t want Israel or the USA to tell us what to do, who to vote to and whether to arm or disarm our people, we are a free country & we can solve our own problems thank you very much!!

Merkova,
I take from your reply that I really pissed you off, didn’t I? truth hurts baby , truth hurts!! I really couldn’t give a monkey about your false accusations, I don’t hate jews, never did & never will, Im merely against those known as Zionists period. I respect all religions & all races. In Lebanon, there are Jews, Muslims,Chritians & Druzes and we all live together in peace & harmony. We all love & care for each other and no one I repeat no one can separate us! We will cut the hands that try to so. Having said that , I was just trying to tell you that we Lebanese can set a good example on how people from different ideology & background can live together.
When Israel was created the radical Muslims were the problem? What were you trying to say? Did you expect them to shake hands with people who invaded them? Weird logic I must say, if someone invaded your house, and asked you to leave would you do that? Hell no, especially if you were a man with honor & pride & Im so sure that you'd fight for your rights, it’s a part of us being human beings, we RESIST those who want to steal our rights.
As for what happened today, I must say that you are a racist, a Zionist & a war criminal does what Israel did today make you happy & proud? You're such a subhuman being with no heart! I really wish you get your family & loved ones get killed in similar situation, not because I want to, because I raise above killing innocent people, but just to let you feel how the families of these young children felt & still feeling. As for American volunteers, well there are more than 100 million of Arabs waiting for Sayed Nassrallah call, they are more than ready to die for Lebanon as they did with Egypt back in 1967 add to that all the angry Muslims around the world, how many are they? 2 BILLIONS plus all honorable people from all around the globe that despise the American Imperialism & Israeli terror!
Ah, one more thing, youre calling HA cowards? Huh, they are fighting like lions, no tanks, extremely retarded weapons and yet scared the hell out of the Israelis who behind their tanks or inside the F16 hide behind tanks or In F16 while our people stayed at home while you were raining their villages with the most advanced bombs & missiles On the other hand,the majority of Israeli people are either in shelters, Tel Aviv or lining up in front of foreign embassies as they intend to leave Israel for good! So dare not talk rubbish about my country & my people!!

Viva Resistance
Viva Lebanon

MERKOVA said...

NATALIE ..... LMAO. Your so blind. What happen today will happen again. 50+ dead civilians is nothing. Thats not even a massacre. More bombs for the Israelis are coming here from the US. So expect more bombings.

Your government and your people are a bunch of "sheep tailing COWARDS". Thats not even name calling :) Its the truth. I think its called "ARS" if I spelled that right.

If your people have the COURAGE why are they victims and dying like slaugthered sheeps?

If your people have the COURAGE why are your lebanese men fleeing?

If your people have the COURAGE why are you not resisting the hizbolla?

If your people have the COURAGE why are they being made as HUMANSHIELDS by the hizbolla.

Natalie, hatred against the Jews will get you NO WHERE except death and destruction. And ofcourse, hizbolla will be glad to give the lebanese people a helping hand to self destruction.

And if this happens here in the US of A and to my family. I would fight to death with DIGNITY and not a VICTIM. The lebanese people are not even figthing for their country. You guys are HOPELESS.

This will be my last blog for you. Since its hopeless to make you understand and you have NO concept of FREEDOM. Good luck.

DIE WITH DIGNITY ...... NOT A VICTIM

Natalie said...

We are dying with dignity!! Qana ppl said today that they are proud of their martyers.. small children!! shame on you !!
Yeh you are the one who understands what freedom is LOL you lot making me laugh even when my heart is broken.
We just shut youup, you dont have the balls to reply -yeh altho its my country thats being bombed by the terrorists in Israel, I have more balls than you do!! you are such a coward,just like all jews !! Im so sureppl who did this massacre aregoing on like " oh we are the men, we had alot of balls, we killed abt 3o potential terrorists woohoo" be happy now, and lates see whos gonna have the last laugh. anddontforget to hide in your shelters, HA arefar more classier than bombing shelters, andyou know that!!
andthen again, HA areresisting on our behalf, butthead ,why would wefight them? Actually, we are more than ready to fight for them!! I just hope you will be the VICTIM of the terror group you created - yeh al qaeda - lol thatd make my day really..and when you get burn in hell, just think, oh they cudve done a massacre,thank god its only me!!

Sleep tight Coward :P

Dimitry said...

Why is it so difficult to accept you should disarm the Hiz? Non-government enteties, no matter how popular, should not have military force. The government should have the monopoly on force. You need to rein in any private militias first and foremost because their existance means your nation isn't real. It isn't the sovereign. As long as they is an armed force that takes no orders from the government, the the state of Lebanon is nothing but a massive make-believe, a facade, a play, a lie. Don't you want to have a real state?

You think the Hiz is protecting you from Israel? Go ahead, although I'm yet to hear of a single Lebanese who was saved from hurt by Israel due to Hiz activity. Facts are, Hiz's activities, ideology and in fact very existance are the reason for this war, but that's beyond the point. In that case, why not absord them into your army? They would still retain their strength, only, *gasp* they wouldn't be able to do whatever the hell they pleased, but would recieve orders from your goverment.

Shirin said...

How can you blame each other in a time like this, after so many children died in Qana???
How can you Israely write that Hizbollah are the one to blame for this war when IDF kiled so many children.
I just want this war to end!
I pray Allah every day, i ask him to Stop this war... children are to young to die... they are not supoused to die.

Shirin from Lebanon
http://shirin-from-lebanon.blogspot.com/

IDFshit said...

I'm Natalie again, the same old problem with logging in with my user name :o
Dimitry,

We – as Lebanese – don’t want HA to be disarmed!! That’s final!! Whats wrong with you people? Can't you respect our wish? The majority of Lebanese are supporting HA, so please leave us alone! We can sort out our problems thank you very much!!

Today, the Red Cross found another massacre near Tyre, 50 civilians were murdered with cold blood, and as per usual, the world is watching.
You asked how are HA are helping us, as you don’t recall any time HA did protect us. Well, they are protecting us from all these tanks invading our land and killing our people, if they had an air force, thingsd have been different. However, there are talks about HA being a part of the Lebanese government and we are all supporting that idea. Of course they'll stay armed!! But I think its quite too early to talk about that, especially with genocide the Nazis are doing to us, but by the power of Allah & the Christ we will overcome that. Remember, this is the 6th war they're making on us with the support of the US and the silence of the UN! How unfair this focking world is!! Just hope that HA can slaughter the invaders and revenge for the innocent blood that has been shed!! Amen!

May God Bless & save Lebanon & all the Lebanese! And may he scatter and doom our enemies with failure and death! Amen!

Dimitry said...

So, to answer my question, no. You don't want Lebanon to be real, indepndent, sovereign country.

yuval from tlv said...

if you think that the world is silent to a genocide taking place in Lebanon, than you're obviously delirious!

the world was never quiet for those thing since WW2!

the facts are, you've been brain washed by HB media to think that!

the free world though knows the truth! therefor they understand that facts and get to have a mind of they're OWN!

and excepting the fact that HB is nothing but a deadly terror group that needs to be eliminated.

shittyzionz said...

Dimitry,
Yes , my answer is No,we don’t want to be the state number 51 of the United State of America. We love Lebanon, we love HA, we love Nassrallah and no one would separate us nor stick his nose in our local issues nor tell us what to do with our resistance! %86 of the Lebanese people are supporting HA. Like it or loathe it!
Just leave us alone!!

Yuval,
Yes the world didn’t say a word to the genocide that IS going on in Lebanon!! In fact, the only time they stood against genocide was in Kosovo & BH when they were slaughtered by the Serbs. They said nothing to the one Saddam did to his people, to what Israel did and is doing to the Palestinians, to the Egyptians, to the Lebanese ( 6 wars against Lebanon!! ) The UN is nothing but a bunch of useless men, having meetings for hours and when they finally reach a resolution, you hear the famous word ( Veto ) from The USA. In short, I don’t believe in the UN, SC or any organization because at the end of the day only the USA (AKA Israel) decides for the whole world. EU, Russia, China are no longer big forces. It's time for us Arabs to stop being weak, we will fight your countrys aggression Yuval, and by God willing we're gonna win!!
Viva Lebanon
Viva Resistance


Natalie

Dimitry said...

Uh. Ok. So enforcing your sovereignity makes you an American annex. Lemme guess, the very fact you have prime minister is a sign of Israeli occupation, right?

mapinago said...

Mr. Dimitry

You are the kind of person who believes in democracy, as long as the people in power are the people you want. You are the kind of person that believes in the freedom of speech as long as everybody agrees with you.

Congratulations.

mapinago said...

merkova...the democrat and "freedom fighter". No need for more words...the ones written speak for themselves. And this people think they can teach democracy and human rights to others. djiiihhh!

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shittyzionz said...

Dimitry,
HA did fire you in the 80s, but not as much as they're doing now, and back then you were occupying our land & destroying it, so what they did was pure resistance . Palestinians want to have their country back, who on earth can blame them? They're prisoners in their own home. What you called "Arab hero" was nothing but a puppet for America. They used him to fight Iran & they kept on supplying him with all sorts of weapons of mass destruction & afterwards, they dumped him. LOL. He got what he deserved, bloody bastard! That’s America ladies & gentlemen, hopefully Olmert will be next (although I cant see that happening esp in the near future).

God bless you mapinago! Im so happy people like you still exist!!

JeffMichell said...

Samir Kontar, Israel's longest held Lebanese prisoner who has been incarcerated in Israeli jail for the past 30 years. In fact the Hezbollah operation last year in which 2 Israeli soldiers were kidnapped, which sparked the 34 day long war, was meant to use the 2 soldiers as bargaining chips in order to force Israel to release Samir Kontar.


"THE REAL REASON SAMIR KONTAR IS ISRAEL'S LONGEST HELD LEBANESE PRISONER!!!!

(Samir Kuntar; also spelled: Sameer Kuntar, Kantar, Qantar, Kintar, Quntar, Qintar, Cantar)

Courtesy of: http://SamirKuntar.net


Samir Kontar
سمير القنطار‎

On July 12, 2006 Lebanese Hezbollah militants crossed the border with Israel in an operation dubbed "Operation Truthful Promise," which was aimed at nabbing Israeli soldiers in exchange for Lebanese prisoners. Hezbollah succeeded in the operation and successfully took hostage two Israeli soldiers, Eldad Regev and Ehud Goldwasser. During the operation, eight Israeli soldiers were killed. This ignited the sequence of events which led to the Israel/Lebanon summer war.

The story goes further back than July of 2006. It really began in April 1979! On Sabbath day, April 22, 1979, Danny and Smadar Haran met up with a monster named Samir Kontar.

Danny and Smadar were a loving Israeli couple. They had everything they could ever hope for... love, marriage and two precious daughters, Einat, 4 and Yael, 2. That day Smadar was home anticipating Danny's return from work and preparing for the Sabbath. She had just picked up their two toddlers from day care. Danny, on the other hand, was looking forward to nothing more than getting home and spending time with his wife and his two young daughters.

Traditionally, the Sabbath is the most special day of the week, the day the family gets to spend time together and celebrate their bond to Judaism. It was especially important for Danny who, as a young father, had to work extra hard in order to provide for his wife and young children. Little did Smadar know that this would be the last Sabbath she would celebrate with her family because of a man named Samir Kontar. Around midnight the nightmare began!

Who is Samir Kontar?

Samir Kontar is one of three Lebanese prisoners still serving time in Israeli jails. Kontar, a Lebanese Druze born on July 20, 1962 in the Lebanese mountain village of Aabey currently holds the dubious distinction of being the longest held Lebanese prisoner in Israeli jails! He was a member of Abu Abbas' notorious PLF (Palestine Liberation Front) which committed despicable acts of terror against Israeli, Jewish, and American targets worldwide throughout the 1970's and 1980's. Kontar was convicted and sentenced to a 534 years prison sentence by the state of Israel. Israel even almost tried to pass a bill to have him executed! What did he do? What was his crime?

The Nasser Operation

The crime he committed was the most horrific crime ever committed on Israeli soil! On April 22, 1979 Samir Kontar along with a gang of three other PLF terrorists (Abed Majeed Asslan, Ahmed Al-Abras, and Mhanna Salim Al- Muyaed) departed from the southern Lebanese seashore city of Tyre on a 55-horsepowered rubber motor boat. Their destination was the Israeli coastal city of Naharyia, about 10 km south of the Lebanese border, the target of their operation was a residential apartment building. This operation was dubbed "Nasser Operation" and its aim was the killing and terrorizing of Israel's Jewish civilians.

The terrorists made landfall in the Israeli coastal city of Naharyia at around midnight, undetected under the cover of darkness. As they made their way along the shore, they were intercepted by an Israeli police officer whom they shot dead. In Naharya the terrorists broke into a building as other Israeli police officers arrived on the scene. The terrorists then broke into Danny and Smadar Haran's apartment, fired their weapons and threw grenades. Smadar managed to find a crawl space into which she, her younger daughter, 2 year old Yael, and a neighbor all hid. To prevent Yael from crying and giving away their hiding place, Smadar covered the child's mouth with her hand.

According to Smadar "They held Danny and Einat while they searched for me and Yael, knowing there were more people in the apartment. I will never forget the joy and the hatred in their voices as they swaggered about hunting for us, firing their guns and throwing grenades. I knew that if Yael cried out, the terrorists would toss a grenade into the crawl space and we would be killed. So I kept my hand over her mouth, hoping she could breathe. As I lay there, I remembered my mother telling me how she had hidden from the Nazis during the Holocaust. 'This is just like what happened to my mother,' I thought."

Sadly, Smadar's attempt to muffle her daughter's whimpering proved fatal. Yael was accidentally suffocated and died within the hiding space.

According to Smadar Haran, her last memories of Danny and Einat, that day, were when they were being led away at gun point by Kontar. She could hear from her closet space Danny telling Einat, "Don't be scared, my baby, it will be alright" and Einat replied to him in her little voice, "Dad, where is Mommy? I want Mommy." Smadar's last memory of her 2-year-old daughter, Yael, was when her little daughter was taken to the apartment hiding space. Right before Yael had her mouth covered by her mother, she asked her mother "Where is my little pacifier." There was no time to search for the pacifier. Minutes later Smadar covered Yael's mouth to keep her from revealing the hiding space. Smadar soon felt her daughter's tiny tongue licks and lip sucking on the palm of her hand. She didn't know what to make of it at first but hours later was told by doctors and paramedics that the reason Yael was licking her palm while she covered her mouth was because she was gasping for air.

After taking Danny and four-year old Einat hostage, Kontar and his group took them down to the beach. Samir Kontar quickly shot Danny in the back and then drowned him in the Mediterranean Sea to ensure his death. While Kontar drowned Danny, he forced terrified Einat to watch and cry. According to eyewitnesses, "Danny was murdered in front of Einat so that his death would be the last sight she would ever see." Little Einat would not have that horrible memory in her head for long. Kontar, the brave Lebanese freedom fighter, crushed Einat's skull over and over upon the rocks with the butt of his rifle until she was dead.

During the ensuing shootout between Kontar's terror group and Israeli police, two policeman were killed along with two of the Arab terrorists. Kontar and the fourth participant, Ahmed Al-Abrass, were captured. Ahmed Al-Abrass was later free by the Israeli authorities in the infamous May 1985 Ahmed Jibril prisoner exchange deal in which 1,150 Arab prisoners (some of whom had blood on their hands) were exchanged for three Israeli soldiers. Kontar was not included in the deal.

The Israeli government determined at first to make a decision to execute Kontar, for his horrific crime, especially for the fact that he tortured and beat to death the 4-year old toddler. Israeli Prime Minister at that time, Menachem Beagin , proposed a draft resolution to the Security and Foreign Affairs Committee in the Israeli Keenest on April 24, 1979. He demanded to eliminate a previous resolution stipulated by the Israeli cabinet, which said no execution should be implemented against terrorists as the international law prohibits it. The Israeli Foreign Minister Izer Weizman and Transportation Minister Hayeem Landau supported Beagin’s draft resolution. Abraham Sharer, who was the head of the Likude parliamentary bloc also, called for Kontar’s execution. Isaac Shamir issued a statement on April 25, 1979 also calling for his execution.

The Israelis tried to implement the execution sentence on Samir Kontar and the whole parliament agreed on them. The only dilemma they were having was the Israeli law that doesn’t allow execution except for the Nazis of the World War II and to those found guilty of betrayal to their country. Furthermore, they did not want the international community on their backs; also, they wanted to improve their relationship with Egypt after the peace process. As a consequence, the Israeli central court in Haifa sentenced Kontar to 5 life sentences plus 47 years to come up with the total of 542 years. During the trial, Kontar was waving victory signs, and called himself a hero.

Samir Kontar has confessed proudly to his murder of the little girl and never once showed one ounce of remorse for his crime. Even while serving his prison term, he has bragged repeatedly during interviews about how proud he was for murdering the 4-year-old Israeli child. While in prison Kontar got married and even receives conjugal visits. Below he stands proudly alongside other convicted Arab murderer, Marwan Barghouti.

Several months later, the PLF seized the Achille Lauro, an Italian cruise ship, and demanded that Israel release Kontar along with a list of 50 other Palestinian prisoners. Ironically out of the 50 Arab Palestinian prisoners that were demanded, Kontar was the ONLY one that was "actually" named on that list. The hijackers killed a wheelchair-bound American Jewish passenger, Leon Klinghoffer, and threw him overboard into the Mediterranean Sea. Kontar was not released, but his supporters would not give up. In 2004 Israel release ALL Lebanese prisoners except for Kontar and two other Lebanese (Nissim Nasser and Yehya Sakaf). In fact Kontar, as well, was almost released by Israel during that infamous Israel Hezbollah Prisoner Exchange of 2004, BUT in the last second Hezbollah violated the agreement and Kontar remained behind bars!

War: July 12, 2006

On July 12, 2006 per orders of Hezbollah leader, Sheik Hasssan Nasrallah, Hezbollah terrorists crossed the northern Israeli border. They attacked two Israeli military vehicles with anti tank missiles, killed four soldiers, kidnapped two others and demanded the immediate unconditional release of Samir Kontar in exchange for the two abducted soldiers. Hezbollah originally named this operation "Operation Freedom for Samir Al-Kontar," but on the days leading up to the July 12 attack it was shortened to "Operation Truthful Promise." The latter referred to the "true promise" Nasrallah had made to the Kontar family that the cross-border kidnapping of IDF soldiers to force the release of Samir Kontar.
In subsequent interviews on Al-Manar TV station Dr Mohamad Jawad Khalifeh, the Lebanese Minster of Health, congratulated Hezbollah for "its great actions" and said that "Lebanon has the right to regain its prisoners and liberate them." Ali Ammar, an Hezbollah member of the Lebanese Parliament, stated his opinion that "particularly at this basic stage in the history of the homeland and the nation, this government should have expressed solidarity with its people and let Samir Quntar feel that he is a Lebanese par excellence." After the kidnapping, Samir Kontar’s brother, Bassam Kontar, said "I kiss the hands and foreheads of the warriors who executed the kidnap. I imagine Samir at the moment, with happiness raising his spirits and those of his friends," he said.


As expected, the Israeli government was not interested in negotiating with terrorists. They sent a small number of troops into southern Lebanon in an attempt to quickly find and free their two soldiers. Soon Hezbollah began shelling Israel's northern communities with Katuysha rockets in an attempt to kill as many innocent men, women and children as possible and to pressure the Israeli government to take the prisoner exchange demand. Israel had no choice but to escalate their response. Both Hezbollah, their supporters and Lebanon's civil infrastructure all suffered the consequences. Even though Israel defeated Hezbollah during this war, it still didn't manage to get its soldiers back.

During the fighting Israel captured a Hezbollah terrorist by the name of Ali Hassan Saliman. According to Saliman, in the interviews/interrogations following his capture, he said that “the main objective of Hezbollah's corss-border kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers was to secure the release of Samir Kontar.” Also, that “Nasrallah had made a promise to the Kontar family that Samir would be released. The Hezbollah operation was first and foremost aimed at releasing Kontar. Everything else was secondary.”

Israel's track record of going against it's previous policy of not releasing Arab prisoners with blood on their hands in exchange for IDF soldiers has come home to roost. Arab terrorist groups have been encouraged to kidnap Israelis in the hope (and often the expectation) that these soldiers will become bargaining chips for the release of Arab prisoners. This softening of Israel's formerly strict policy of never negotiating with terrorists has merely added fuel to the fire. Israeli soldiers are supposed to protect the children of Israel, not to facilitate the release of child murderers, such as the monster, Samir Kontar.

Neither Israelis individually nor their military intentionally targets children or any non-combatant, for that matter. When children die, it is nearly always because they are caught in the crossfire or when they are "set up" by their fellow Arab-terrorists to score propaganda points. But NEVER would manner of the killing be so pre-planned nor would the act itself be so glorified, such as that as Samir Kontar.

Smadar Haran has since remarried and is raising a new family. She hopes that Samir Kontar will stay behind bars until his dying day. "I don't believe that the terrorist will be released now, and I don't believe that the Israeli government will accept this request, after it promised not to release terrorists with blood on their hands."

We at SamirKuntar.net concur with Smadar Haran. We will do whatever we can to see that Samir Kontar rots in Israeli prisons. We would also urge the Israeli government and courts to reverse the long-standing policy of not allowing for the administration of the death sentence. After all, Samir Kontar and other Samir Kontars like him never thought twice about administrating the death sentence to little Einat Haran and other Einat Harans just like her!

CONCLUSION

Kontar was not the reason Israel chose to go to war with Lebanon but he was the reason Hezbollah kidnapped the two soldiers which set the war process in motion.

POSTSCRIPT

Neither Israel nor Hezbollah doubt that Kontar murdered Danny and Einat Haran. The only difference is that Israel sees him as the cold-blooded murderer he is. Hezbollah and their supporters glorify him as a freedom fighter and hero!

There is another point worth mentioning. Hezbollah has never claimed that Kontar was innocent or that he may have been framed. They only demand his release as if he were being held unlawfully and that Israel had no right to imprison him. Once again it's all about Israel never doing any right and Arabs incapable of doing any wrong!

A SAD GRUESOME REALITY

After drowning Danny in the sea in front of little Einat, Kontar, the brave Lebanese freedom fighter, then turned his attention towards the frightened little 4-year old. He took his rifle and then swung it across the little toddler's head, knocking her to the ground. As little Einat was knocked to the ground, she was screaming and crying hysterically "mommy daddy help me," while thrashing her little legs around in the sand. But unfortunately Einat was alone, and no one was there to save her. Kontar then dragged the little toddler a couple of feet to the closest rock he could find, this was while she was begging him not to hurt her. Kontar, then laid her head down on a rock, with the intention of crushing it with the butt of his rifle. Einat, instinctively covered her head with her little arms, Kontar struggled with the little toddler until he finally managed to clear her arms out of the way so that he could aim for the head, and then he proceeded on beating her over and over with the butt of his rifle until blood rushed out of her ears and her little cries faded away as she was knocked into unconsciousness. Then, to ensure she was dead, Kontar continued on beating her over the head, as hard as he could, several more times until her skull was crushed and she was dead.

SHORT NOTE: The way Samir Kontar killed little Einat is reminiscent to the way the Nazis used to kill Jewish babies during the Holocaust, by crushing their little heads with their boots or with the butts of their rifles!

ARTICLES AND REFERENCES

Israel moots Kontar prisoner swap
(AL-JAZEERA 9/17/2006)
http://english.aljazeera.net/News/Archive/Archive?ArchiveID=35918
Free the monster Samir Kontar
(Haaretz article 09/04/2006)
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/758531.html
Plot to free terrorist (Kontar) may have led to fight
(Washington Times 8/8/2006)
http://www.washtimes.com/world/20060807-111009-8857r.htm
Nasrallah says no deal without Samir
(9/12/2006 BBC article "Nasrallah Demands Militant Free")
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5340364.stm
"Hizballah Wants Israel to Free Child-Killer"
(Cybercast News Service, 7/18/2006)
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewForeignBureaus.asp?Page=/ForeignBureaus/archive/200607/INT20060718b.html
More than 25 years later, militant still atop Hezbollah's list for swap
(Seattle Times 8/16/2006)
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003168928_lebswap02.html?syndication=rss
Why Hezbollah Attacked Israel
(Mens News Daily 8/09/2006)
http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/08/09/why-hezbollah-attacked-israel
Samir Kontar to be released very soon
The Jerusalem Post 1/6/2007
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1167467671390&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

Lebanese_Bella said...

As a proud Lebanese citizen I would like to mention that Hezballah was created BECAUSE of the illegal occupation of Lebanon by Israel. So for those of you who consider Hezballah terrorists...maybe you shouldnt have let Israel illegally occupy Lebanon in the first place...just maybe. Terrorism is bred from oppression and hatred.

I say lets put the IDF and Hezballah in an empty field and let them battle it out one on one, you know like they used to do back in the day.

Release the child prisioners held in Israeli prisions, create humane conditions for the population of Palestine/Palestinians. You cannot achieve peace through force, making a civilian population suffer because of a few radicals is irrational and its not a good enough excuse. Allow the right of return for all 1967 Palestinian refugees or compensate them. After all it is the government/nation of Israel that has the highest UN violations...not Lebanon or Palestine.

You want peace in the Middle East? Recognize the rights of Palestinians, maybe they will recognize your rights too. But as long as you force them under ur hands they will always hate u and there will always be war.

Common sense people lol


"I would have joined a terrorist organization."
-- Ehud Barak's response to Gideon Levy, a columnist for the Ha'aretz newspaper, when Barak was asked what he would have done if he had been born a Palestinian.