Saturday, July 15, 2006

North Attacked Again This Night

Air attacks on the city of Tripoli, Dinnieh and Akkar in the north. Why?

Update: Israeli fliers thrown down Batroun warning civilians from being close to the Batroun bridge and the tunnel on the highway.

Update 2: It turns out that the flyer news was not correct; just a rumor. Thank God.

"Nobody knows how many rebellions, besides political rebellions, ferment in the masses of life which people earth."

21 comments:

Mustapha said...

Doha, are you sure? I can't hear anything..

Mojoski said...

I pray that innocent peace-loving Lebanese will be spared as much pain as possible.

I hope they all recognise that Israel doesn't have to drop these flyers. The flyers also warn the Hezballah terrorists to evacuate as well. But obviously Israel doesn't mind militarily disadvantaging itself in this way if it can save innocent Lebanese people.

A curse on Hezballah for bringing this destruction on the people of Lebanon!

noop said...

phew -- thanks admin's -- i hope this will keep the discussion a bit more civil and productive...

T. said...

To all Israelis on this blog:

Please, please, please: I urge you to demonstrate against the war in Lebanon. It does not serve any purpose but prolonging the violence and the hatred that has existed between our countries for too long.

I hesitate to post this, but...
These are the victims of this war. These are villagers warned to leave their homes by the IDF. They were killed today while trying to flee north by a direct hit.

100+ dead so far. I do not want anymore of this. I do not want it for me and I do not want it for you. And I do not want it for our children.

Details of the demo from a fellow blogger:
We'll meet at 19:00 on the corner of Frishmann and Chen Blvd.
Those who can help making signs should come as of 16:00 to "haGada haSmalit", 70 Ahad Ha'am St.
For more information: 050-7425484 / 050-6230249.
Details concerning transportation from other cities will appear later on.

T. said...

Doha,

could you paste details of the demo on the main page? Israeli public opinion is the only thing that can influence the Israeli government.

cfw said...

does anyone know the source of these suuuuper loud explosions in bey? shit another. this can't be from dahieh.

Josy said...

yeah, excatly, it's not much but it's something.I signed, and forwarded it.

T. said...

AP says Dahiyah being bombed again.

noop said...

in response to the slate article:

Lee Smith (the author of the article) has always framed his arguments in this way:

"Maybe she will go home with him, assuming he has his own place, and give herself to him for the first time. Or maybe she already has. Regardless, I bet that come morning, she, like every other unmarried Lebanese woman, will rise early to hurry home before her parents wake, lest she scandalize them, their family, and neighbors. ... [makes a grand metaphor about lebanon]"

and I have always objected to it -- it's a sort of create-grand-situation-from-clever-insight tactic that only 1) consistently reinforces incorrect ideas of the region and 2) always forms his arguement on a precarious (but stable-seeming) balance point of "An Observation." He wrote an article about the townhouse gallery in cairo once (i think he might have even been staying at our house) where "all egyptian artists" were abstracted from a scene of three guys sitting around making bad art from cigarette boxes... so condescending.

noop said...

1earth:
i don't mean to be rude but could you perhaps take your invective somewhere else? plus, if anyone is using "ad hominem" debate -- i think that your use of "blind and ignorant" and "your kind" pretty much qualify. please go away; perhaps you can find a forum where people enjoy spitting up venom and then re-digesting it.

i will not be responding to any further comments of yours (maybe if everyone just ignores all these hostile, thoughtless israeli posters ('oh wait,' they say 'i'm not an israeli, i'm an american atheist!' -- ok and them too) all these people who would predicate their discussion on insensitivity and propoganda -- if we can ignore them and just carry on our own discussion they will go away.?)

Los Capitales said...

May God protect the people of Lebanon against the evildoers from Israel!

jsbennett70 said...

"it seems israel disrespects any arab border"

This is not true. The borders with Egypt and Jordan aren't warzones. The border w/ Lebanon is a warzone because HA makes it so.

T. said...

Sub rose,

There is no way the IDF can extricate Hizbllah from Lebanon in a short time. If this is the goal, then this is going to end up to be a bloody and protracted conflict. If the conflict goes on for too long, then the seething tensions inside Lebanon will most probably explode into a civil war (again).

Please understand that Hezbollah will grow stronger in a civil war. They have an excuse to keep their weapons and solidify themselves as the real authority when the central government collapses, as it normally does in a civil war. It is only peace that will disarm them.
Having said that, what on earth does bombing a van loaded with refugees have to do with extricating Hezbollah? Violence breeds more violence. Why is this so difficult to understand?

jsbennett70 said...

Re: Israeli borders.

Jordan = calm
Egypt = calm
Syria = respected

The Lebanese border before 1970 = calm and respected. A bee didn't even cross.

kato said...

@crosspatch: i guess the lebanese government didnt have the right measures to disarm all the armed parties. but they cant admit it, coz it would mean that they dont have fully control over the country, and thus strengthen these parties again.

and there is no proper leb army.

programmer craig said...

Air attacks on the city of Tripoli

Tripoli is the main recruiting center for Jihadi fucks bound for Iraq. I know this to be true because I saw it on CNN! Interviews with loud-talking unemployed badasses who want to be martyrs. Soon, God willing, they will be.

Hey, I made this comment in an old post that nobody will ever read now, so I'll make it again here.

Deliver Nasrallah's head in a sack, along with the two Israeli soldiers, and I bet this can all end today. What do you think? Is that too much to ask? If you are going to do it, though, I suggest you do it soon. It seems Israel's military will be fully mobilized and ready to go by sometime tomorrow or monday.

programmer craig said...

box,

ISRAEL has INVADED A SOVEREIGN NATION and HAS BEEN PUMMELING IT FOR 4 DAYS STRAIGHT.

Yeah. That shit tends to happen, when you invade your neighbors and kidnap their and kill their soldiers, and when you launch high explosive missiles into their residential neighborhoods. Did you have a question? You say "sovereign nation" as if that's supposed to confer some kind of immunity or something? Israel is a sovereign nation too.

Sned Hezbollah up to kidnap and kill Syrian soldiers, and lob missiles by the dozen into Syrian towns. See what happens. Go ahead. I dare ya. There wouldn't be a peep out of anybody when Syria invaded. The only reason there's a fuss about the current situation is it's ISRAEL who is daring to fight back when they are attacked! Damn Jews.

programmer craig said...

This level of utter ruthlessness and callousness displayed by Israel is the likes what the world haven't seen since 1940.

WTF, over?

Did you just fall off the turnip truck, or what? Ask some of the Sudanese refugees in the camps about ruthlessness and callousness, why don't you?

Do you think your blatantly dishonest commentary is helpful?

How many Iraqis died in falluja the first 3 days of the assult in November 2004? You see, I give you a chance to talk about the other people you hate, now, the Americans. Because I'm a kind and considerate guy.

noop said...

anyone had luck getting through on landlines to brummana region from outside of leb?
chris

programmer craig said...

raa,

May I remind you that the American in Iraq did not destroy roads, bridges, power and water and pure civilian infrastructures, on the contrary.

Yes we did. We knocked out power in Baghdad during the invasion, blew all the bridges except the ones we needed to advance, etc, etc, etc. That's SOP during an invasion. Speaking of which, expect to be invaded, based on what Israel is doing. Just for your info. That's what it looks lkike the Israelis are prepping for, to me.

I do understand justify a measured action against HA.

Good. I am glad you see that. Since you were honest, I will also be honest. If my country (the US) was willing to invade Lebanon to destroy Hezbollah, I would support that. In fact, I would re-enlist in order to particpate in the destruction of Hezbollah, even if it cost me my life. For what they did to my friends in 1983. I've said as much on this blog, in fact, a year or so ago. My opinion has not changed. Hezbollah must be destroyed. Utterly. SOmebody is going to get that job done. If it's not Lebanese, it will be Israelis. If teh Israelis cannot do it, we Americans will be there to do it sooner or later. We've got higher priorities at the moment, but Hezbollah is on the list. It's always been on the list.

I ask you though (in reagrads to Israel) - how do you propose Israel can destroy an organization as large, as well organized, and as well supported by a large portion of the population of Lebanon, with a "measured" attack? Do you really believe they could bomb a few Hezbollah buildings and kill a few militants, decalre victory, and withdraw? That would be a victory for Hezbollah, and you know it. And a victory for Syria and Iran. And it would be the END of Lebanon's new-found sovereignity. Hezbollah would have more power and influence than ever. Which is, I'm sure, the exact result they planned on having when they embarked on this episode.

In closing, I would like to apologize to all Lebanese (except Hezbollah and it's supporters) for my country not having the will to destroy Hezbollah when it was small and weak, in 1983.

programmer craig said...

raa, I never accused you of being a supporter of Hezbollah. If I believed that, I wouldn't even bother talking to you :)

The context of my comment about about hating Americans was my response to this:

This level of utter ruthlessness and callousness displayed by Israel is the likes what the world haven't seen since 1940.

I could not (and still can not) figure out a reason you would say something as historically inacurrate as that unless you hate Israel. And if you hate Israel that much, you by extension also hate America. Dunno. Something like that. It made sense to me at the time :)

Anyway... a request has been made that non-Lebanese stop commenting on this blog. I intend to honor that request. I don't have much to say anyway. Best wishes to you (all of you) - and I really mean that.